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apolloa

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I know. I called bull (in a slightly less aggressive way) on those rumours as well because yes, we might know Apple is making a 15" retina screen but we do not know what they are making it for. It might end up being Air. Or Pro. Or rMB Pro Plus Large. Saying "this rumour is incorrect, it's not Air but Pro" without backing up with anything more tangible than "somebody Very Reliable told me" is not exactly useful and believable. No need to get angry with me. I hold the same opinion as you do, just phrased it differently.

My source, which is the tip of my finger I just sucked on intently for five seconds (not literally), agrees that 13" and 15" sizes point at a Pro. But my source had no idea rMB was coming, it had no idea the new iMacs were coming and it had no idea Force Touch was coming, so let's treat my very reliable finger source with an enormous pinch of salt and wait for proof.

As for the economic websites I've been tracking all the Air related rumours because I was afraid I'd buy one and 15 days, one day after the return window here in the NL, Apple would put out a new one. Those websites all regurgitate the same rumour. "Christian Today wrote..." says Yibada. "Yibada said..." writes Latinos Post. Etc. Etc. Same analyst names repeated endlessly. I don't believe any of those reports.

Sorry, I think I mis-read your post, mis-interpreted it. And I love your source haha! So true. I think KGI Securities are the best source as they get it right the majority of the time, and I don't believe they have mentioned the MacBook Pro for a while?
 

MDull

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I'm not real, but my cameras are Leica M9, Leica X2 and Nikon D810. And yes, I would trade all three of them if a lighter weight of their qualities would embody themselves in a lighter version. I also use an iPhone if I can capture something interesting.

I actually rounded up the number from 76-79mb to 100mb. I apoligise for being inaccurate. The tiff number of megabytes is around 106mb.

I don't do studio work, so I would not know about medium format the way you know. I was thrilled about the idea about using an iPhone for photographing, writing and publishing on the same device. I recognise the hardship of attaining absolute quality, and would love to cater to the few who adores the quality, still the masses are the market and the few are just too few.

Shed the Leica's you paid double for the name, get a Sony A7RII 42+ MP and has in camera stabilization, it is roughly same size as the Leica's and will do 4k video. if you mount a low profile lens, will slip right into a jacket pocket. It also can take other lenses. I think your Leica's or one of them is a fixed lens, I did not bother to check. However your 12" MB won't have the HP to deal with the files. And neither will the 13/14 rMBP (after a couple of yrs) assuming you really are doing some serious PP. If you aren't you don't need a camera with all that HP anyway. Just get a nice little point and shoot and Photoshop Elements.
 

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Shed the Leica's you paid double for the name, get a Sony A7RII 42+ MP and has in camera stabilization, it is roughly same size as the Leica's and will do 4k video. if you mount a low profile lens, will slip right into a jacket pocket. It also can take other lenses. I think your Leica's or one of them is a fixed lens, I did not bother to check. However your 12" MB won't have the HP to deal with the files. And neither will the 13/14 rMBP (after a couple of yrs) assuming you really are doing some serious PP. If you aren't you don't need a camera with all that HP anyway. Just get a nice little point and shoot and Photoshop Elements.

I bought the D810 over a Sony around early 2014 as I have an arsenal of lenses for Nikon. X2 has fixed lens. It's not a very technical camera when it comes to sharpness vs movement. The picture quality is great though. Hair and skin shines on both Leicas. Nikon D810 is nice for action and movement, but won't beat the D4 in sports. I don't do much post, except for Nik package and colours, and if you are serious about post processing, get a dedicated operator. Norwegian law doesn't accept manipulated pictures in journalism. I have done work, both video and still, for NRK (state broadcaster of Norway) and all post is done by dedicated staff. The same goes for the publications I have submitted images to. Of course I can highlight colour space and the feel of the picture, but editors and desk have the final call.

During this year, I have owned a 2015 rMBP 15", 2014 rMBP 13" and a now I use my rMB 12". A computer I will hold unto until at least the rMBP gets updated. It may not have the horse power I want, but it has the horse power I need.

I have done blind testing with anything from phone cameras to 10k cameras. I am always surprised how people form a belief that a picture is good because of the camera and not the actual philosophy that goes into a frame by forming a superstition that a phone picture is taken with a more expensive camera. I don't care about the hardware as long as it gets the job done. Understanding available light is more important than technical mojo. I, like many others, have tantrums and obsessions with hardware, but I believe a drive and interest in people helps more than spending money on the latest and greatest of equipment. At least in photography.

MDull, what is your hardware, background and experience? I would really appreciate it if you asked me for my details rather than trying to force your "impressions" upon me. I have used Photoshop since version 4.0. Did a few years with Aperture, but then went back to PS as the application got pulled.

I also have a confession. I have used a Canon point and shoot camera in a campaign for a national event for a major client. Again, it was more about the production than the technical status. Good enough is often more important than perfect.
 
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that wants to keep an HDMI.

As I've said before, I really hope Apple doesn't make super thinness its main priority for these new Pro models. In my opinion adding...256gb entry level SSD and of course more power would be a fantastic upgrade over the current model. I'd gladly live with the current models thickness if Apple can make the insides more cutting edge.

I think a main differentiating factor of the pro should continue to be a longer list of ports. Apple has been moving towards thinness and lightness so it's hard to guarantee that the '16 revision will retain all of the current ports.
 

MDull

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I bought the D810 over a Sony around early 2014 as I have an arsenal of lenses for Nikon. X2 has fixed lens. It's not a very technical camera when it comes to sharpness vs movement. The picture quality is great though. Hair and skin shines on both Leicas. Nikon D810 is nice for action and movement, but won't beat the D4 in sports. I don't do much post, except for Nik package and colours, and if you are serious about post processing, get a dedicated operator. Norwegian law doesn't accept manipulated pictures in journalism. I have done work, both video and still, for NRK (state broadcaster of Norway) and all post is done by dedicated staff. The same goes for the publications I have submitted images to. Of course I can highlight colour space and the feel of the picture, but editors and desk have the final call.

During this year, I have owned a 2015 rMBP 15", 2014 rMBP 13" and a now I use my rMB 12". A computer I will hold unto until at least the rMBP gets updated. It may not have the horse power I want, but it has the horse power I need.

I have done blind testing with anything from phone cameras to 10k cameras. I am always surprised how people form a belief that a picture is good because of the camera and not the actual philosophy that goes into a frame by forming a superstition that a phone picture is taken with a more expensive camera. I don't care about the hardware as long as it gets the job done. Understanding available light is more important than technical mojo. I, like many others, have tantrums and obsessions with hardware, but I believe a drive and interest in people helps more than spending money on the latest and greatest of equipment. At least in photography.

MDull, what is your hardware, background and experience? I would really appreciate it if you asked me for my details rather than trying to force your "impressions" upon me. I have used Photoshop since version 4.0. Did a few years with Aperture, but then went back to PS as the application got pulled.

I also have a confession. I have used a Canon point and shoot camera in a campaign for a national event for a major client. Again, it was more about the production than the technical status. Good enough is often more important than perfect.
 

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I continue to see requests for USB-C and not Thunderbolt 3. Its unsettling to me because Thunderbolt 3's probably going to arrive in time for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display's update in which is would make no sense to mix Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C. It's like mixing USB 2 and USB 3 ports, its just confusing. Thunderbolt 3 is natively backwards-compatible with USB-C given they share the same port. Please stop asking for "2 USB-C ports and 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports," ask for 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports because any of them will accept USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 cables.
 
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MDull

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Ok - I never said anything about your D810 but you said you wanted a smaller lighter camera that would do just about everything, so I gave you one. The problem here I think is that you tried to say your 12" MB handled 100Mb raw files on a regular basis and I called BS on you. then you admitted to maybe 75mb raw files which again is an exaggeration- more like 50-65 mb Tiff files are a completely different matter they can get huge in a hurry but in your posts you never said anything about Tiff files until the last post. My whole point is that a 12" MB can't get the job done with really large files in post and you were saying the opposite. what you didn't say is that you do a little bit in post with your MB then turn it over to some one else to do the rest for you. I will guarantee that person is not working with a 12" MB as to you using a Canon point and shoot some great photos can be taken with them. A great camera does not make a great photographer. As far as pushing my impressions on you the truth is you have made statements that would leave others less knowledgable with the wrong impression- like, you do your own PP which you admittedly don't. As to Norway's laws that has nothing to do with telling people a 12MB will be an adequate PP computer which it won't unless someone else you hire does the rest for you. As to my gear Pentax K3II and Pentax 645z, You are right a D4 is a better sports camera than a D810 it is also a better journalism camera than a D810.

Background I have 30 yrs behind the lens starting in 1979 with an Olympus OM1n both as an amateur and professional, I do all my own post Photoshop CC, mostly landscape and wildlife, portraiture, no journalism not my cup of tea.
 

drbowza

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Would I be stupid to buy a current Macbook Pro Retina 256GB ahead of the rumored redesign? And what would you guys say the chances are of a redesign before March? I'm so tempted right now to pull the trigger on a refurbished Macbook Pro before Christmas but if the new comes out in January I would be kicking myself if I did buy it now.
 

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Background I have 30 yrs behind the lens starting in 1979 with an Olympus OM1n both as an amateur and professional, I do all my own post Photoshop CC, mostly landscape and wildlife, portraiture, no journalism not my cup of tea.

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Just wanted to inform people that files from D810 is manageable in Photoshop on a baseline MacBook 12 as long as you don't do really really really large files for panoramas or anything else that would usually require a desktop. Files from D810. The tiff size is static due to the size of the picture, not dynamic to content. RAWs mostly stay within 70-80MB.
 
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Pahanda

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I fear that the next MBP update won't be a redesign. It's too much: Watch, new iPhone, possible updated MB and redesigned MBP? Don't see that...
 

apolloa

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I fear that the next MBP update won't be a redesign. It's too much: Watch, new iPhone, possible updated MB and redesigned MBP? Don't see that...

And that's a good thing. Their is nothing wrong with the current design that was introduced with the Retina MacBook Pro. And any new design knowing Apple will result in a thinner machine with less features and lower specs yet cost the same if not more, pay more for less for their bottom line to swell even more.
I hope they don't do this of course, but they did remove one of the best things about Mac laptops from the new MacBook Retina, the Mag Safe.
 
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Pahanda

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And that's a good thing. Their is nothing wrong with the current design that was introduced with the Retina MacBook Pro. And any new design knowing Apple will result in a thinner machine with less features and lower specs yet coat the same if not more, pay more for less for their bottom line to swell even more.
I hope they don't do this of course, but they did remove one of the best things about Mac laptops from the new MacBook Retina, the Mag Safe.

Yes, but this would also mean that there won't be usb-c etc...
 

MDull

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And that's a good thing. Their is nothing wrong with the current design that was introduced with the Retina MacBook Pro. And any new design knowing Apple will result in a thinner machine with less features and lower specs yet coat the same if not more, pay more for less for their bottom line to swell even more.
I hope they don't do this of course, but they did remove one of the best things about Mac laptops from the new MacBook Retina, the Mag Safe.

I agree completely, but a redesign not to make it thinner rather to accommodate USB3 would be ok. A redesign just for sake of thinner and lighter would pretty much assure a lower spec situation that Apolloa outlines and would be unacceptable. Some on this forum still think a smaller thinner lighter rMBP which has less HP is ok. To them I say get a MB Air, the pro is about power not looks. If you can get both great, but you do not sacrifice function for form.
 
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And that's a good thing. Their is nothing wrong with the current design that was introduced with the Retina MacBook Pro. And any new design knowing Apple will result in a thinner machine with less features and lower specs yet coat the same if not more, pay more for less for their bottom line to swell even more.
I hope they don't do this of course, but they did remove one of the best things about Mac laptops from the new MacBook Retina, the Mag Safe.

The retina MacBook Pro got thinner and didn't sacrifice any performance. Is there any reason to think this update would be different?
 

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Right. But the MacBook Pro profits have to be so high, that using all Thunderbolt 3 ports couldn't possibly hurt.
Its not the simple. You need PCI-E channels and host controller support for both USB 3 and Thunderbolt. PC OEM's only had some USB3 ports as they didnt want multiple controllers, though newer Intel chipsets support 8 natively now so its not an issue. Apple probably only has one Thunderbolt port because they only have so many PCI-E lanes to feed it with. Intel didnt double the number of lanes its chipset supports.
 

cmChimera

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Its not the simple. You need PCI-E channels and host controller support for both USB 3 and Thunderbolt. PC OEM's only had some USB3 ports as they didnt want multiple controllers, though newer Intel chipsets support 8 natively now so its not an issue. Apple probably only has one Thunderbolt port because they only have so many PCI-E lanes to feed it with. Intel didnt double the number of lanes its chipset supports.


MacBook Pro has 2 thunderbolt ports.
 

apolloa

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The retina MacBook Pro got thinner and didn't sacrifice any performance. Is there any reason to think this update would be different?

Yes, I want a discrete GPU and I'm not sure the thermals of an even thinner laptop would allow this? It needs to cool itself properly to avoid throttling and perform properly, something the Surface Pro 3 and the first gen iMac 5K don't do, they throttle a lot when pushed due to poor thermal design.
 

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I agree completely, but a redesign not to make it thinner rather to accommodate USB3 would be ok. A redesign just for sake of thinner and lighter would pretty much assure a lower spec situation that Apolloa outlines and would be unacceptable. Some on this forum still think a smaller thinner lighter rMBP which has less HP is ok. To them I say get a MB Air, the pro is about power not looks. If you can get both great, but you do not sacrifice function for form.

I'm so glad you said this! I've been trying to argue this point for a while now. It seems that a vast majority of people in here want to turn the Macbook Pro into an Air but that will almost guarantee that the internal specs will be lowered. IMO the current thickness is already pretty good but I can see Apple possibly moving to a tapered design where the bottom is thinner than the top. This would leave room for better cooling and a nice selection of ports.
 
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