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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)

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apolloa said:
Yes, I want a discrete GPU and I'm not sure the thermals of an even thinner laptop would allow this? It needs to cool itself properly to avoid throttling and perform properly, something the Surface Pro 3 and the first gen iMac 5K don't do, they throttle a lot when pushed due to poor thermal design.
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The first gen 5k iMac isn't any thinner than it's predecessor or its successor. I've seen reports of the throttling, but it seemed to be an issue with one particular graphics card. Also, was the performance less than the non-retina 27" that came before it?

I dont think you need to worry. No redesign of the notebooks or desktops has caused a performance decrease. (Mac Mini maybe? But that was a conscience choice, not a compromise)
 
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Totally agree that they will not want to sacrifice power for thinness. If they do make it thinner, it will most likelybe just a few millimeters.

The posts from people about how they want the rMBP's to be as thin as the MB are quite funny. Just how are you going to produce a 'Pro' machine in such a tiny casing hahaha
 
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doitdada said:
Just wanted to inform people that files from D810 is manageable in Photoshop on a baseline MacBook 12 as long as you don't do really really really large files for panoramas or anything else that would usually require a desktop.
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Files from the Canon 5DsR too. :eek:

It's rather a matter of RAM. As long as you can order the MacBooks with 16 GB RAM (or more in the future hopefully) you won't get any bottlenecks. However, compared to desktop class computers, you should have a bit patience as photo loading times can be quite pronounced. I'm using Lightroom most of the time. It is more demanding on RAM compared to Photoshop. What's annoying is that Lightroom only loads the current photo to RAM and the next one in the series. If you want to jump quickly between photos and compare the current to the last photo you'll have to wait considerably. That waiting time will increase by approx. 75% on a MacBook and by approx 35% on a MacBook Air. An iMac is considerably faster with loading times. That percentages don't sound much, but when you are processing more than 500 files in a row, loading times will slow you down significantly and will frustrate you. This is one reason I switched from an 2011 11" MacBook Air to 2013 13" MBA to 2015 13" MBP. Speedwise the 2011 MBA is comparable to the current 12" MacBooks.

What I want to say is, that some workflows need a fast processor. If you are doing a couple of hundred photos a year, you will have no problem waiting 5-10 seconds longer for a photo to load, but if you are doing photo stuff for a living or at least do earn some money with it, 5-10 seconds * 500 photos per shooting WILL cost you approx. 1 working hour per day. So, I really hope that Apple will continue using 28 W processors in the future, not just for serious photo editing.
 
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mayuka said:
What I want to say is, that some workflows need a fast processor. If you are doing a couple of hundred photos a year, you will have no problem waiting 5-10 seconds longer for a photo to load, but if you are doing photo stuff for a living or at least do earn some money with it, 5-10 seconds * 500 photos per shooting WILL cost you approx. 1 working hour per day. So, I really hope that Apple will continue using 28 W processors in the future, not just for serious photo editing.
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I agree. With 500 pictures a day and you like to work the whole bulk in a single session, you should get the rMBP 2015, especially if it is your only computer. Personally I may shoot 200-300 a day, but I no longer save all my pictures. I preview them in Finder and quick look, pick out the dusin I want and do edits on them. I usually know which shots are interesting from the lot before I import.

Wedding photographers or photos for industrial/professional documentation, in regards to insurance and policies, may need to save every shot they have. Going through a month long project in some nature setting may also need the power to go through the vast amount of photos. Now that I use a Macbook, I can bring my computer everywhere and check the pictures on the go. Before I would always wait until the end of the day, process the lot in bulk and use management software like Lightroom or Aperture.

My workflow have changed from saving massive archives of photos to hard drives (which would usually just stay on the HD taking space), to sorting out shots I care about and saving them to the cloud. During a month I may regret loosing a picture or two with this process, but I believe less is more, both in management and in actual selection. A study comparing people who had the opportunity to change their first pick over people who had to stick with their original selection, showed that the group who had only one opportunity to choose which picture they wanted, was the most satisfied photographers.

apolloa said:
Yes, but I don't believe they can make it even thinner without sacrificing performance or features. They ditched the ethernet port to make it as thin as it currently is and I thought that was ridiculous on a 'Pro' expensive machine.
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If you are in need of an ethernet port for your tasks, you may as well buy a dock, for it means you are not going to move your computer around much. I had one, and it served me well, getting monitors, USB devices and ethernet connected to my rMBP with a single cable. I really like the digital Multiport adapter I use with my Macbook. It may be limited to 1920x1200 at the moment, but I believe it will change with Thunderbolt 3 on the new Pro design giving it support for 5K over SST.

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Totally agree that they will not want to sacrifice power for thinness. If they do make it thinner, it will most likelybe just a few millimeters.
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As much as I love raw power, I would rather have a retina Macbook Air with a quad core CPU than the bulky design of the current MacBook Pro. Kill the dGPU in the new design, but leave a classic choice for the boys who need something beefier than the integrated graphics. Change the dGPU option to a GTX 965M with CUDA support. AMD is only alive thanks to the next gen consoles, and have totally lacked any leadership in the computer scene.
 
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doitdada said:
AMD is only alive thanks to the next gen consoles, and have totally lacked any leadership in the computer scene.
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AMD is also the only competition against the leaders in the computer scene. Nvidia's precious Maxwell GPUs that everyone loves so much probably wouldn't have happened for years if it wasn't AMD breathing down Nvidia's neck. Intel's lack of competition on the high end is already showing with the incremental improvements and constant delays. Also, AMD's Fury and 300 desktop GPUs are proving quite competitive against NVidia's chips at every price point.

All AMD needs to do is make mobile GPUs based off their newest architecture like Nvidia does. Any hoo...
 
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apolloa said:
Yes, but I don't believe they can make it even thinner without sacrificing performance or features. They ditched the ethernet port to make it as thin as it currently is and I thought that was ridiculous on a 'Pro' expensive machine.
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trust me, they can because if they change the usb 3 with usb-c and remove the 3.5 jack they will make it as thin as the magsafe
 
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doitdada said:
If you are in need of an ethernet port for your tasks, you may as well buy a dock, for it means you are not going to move your computer around much
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Maybe for some. I lug my MBP round the world to clients and have done for years. Some have wireless, some not, but ethernet is often faster and more reliable.

I really don't want to be lugging a dock with me as well.

The Thunderbolt adapter works fine. Until you forget to pack it.

PS: If they remove any more ports then people like me won't buy it. I've already given up on Office for Mac after the last sad attempt at an Excel update and after working on OS 7/8/9/X now dual boot with Windows 10. Which I have to say flies on the MBP and I use most of the time now. I will stick with the MBP because it's a great machine, but if it doesn't have proper work features my next update will have to be HP, Dell or possibly Lenovo.
 
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doitdada said:
I agree. With 500 pictures a day and you like to work the whole bulk in a single session, you should get the rMBP 2015, especially if it is your only computer. Personally I may shoot 200-300 a day, but I no longer save all my pictures. I preview them in Finder and quick look, pick out the dusin I want and do edits on them. I usually know which shots are interesting from the lot before I import.

Wedding photographers or photos for industrial/professional documentation, in regards to insurance and policies, may need to save every shot they have. Going through a month long project in some nature setting may also need the power to go through the vast amount of photos. Now that I use a Macbook, I can bring my computer everywhere and check the pictures on the go. Before I would always wait until the end of the day, process the lot in bulk and use management software like Lightroom or Aperture.

My workflow have changed from saving massive archives of photos to hard drives (which would usually just stay on the HD taking space), to sorting out shots I care about and saving them to the cloud. During a month I may regret loosing a picture or two with this process, but I believe less is more, both in management and in actual selection. A study comparing people who had the opportunity to change their first pick over people who had to stick with their original selection, showed that the group who had only one opportunity to choose which picture they wanted, was the most satisfied photographers.



If you are in need of an ethernet port for your tasks, you may as well buy a dock, for it means you are not going to move your computer around much. I had one, and it served me well, getting monitors, USB devices and ethernet connected to my rMBP with a single cable. I really like the digital Multiport adapter I use with my Macbook. It may be limited to 1920x1200 at the moment, but I believe it will change with Thunderbolt 3 on the new Pro design giving it support for 5K over SST.



As much as I love raw power, I would rather have a retina Macbook Air with a quad core CPU than the bulky design of the current MacBook Pro. Kill the dGPU in the new design, but leave a classic choice for the boys who need something beefier than the integrated graphics. Change the dGPU option to a GTX 965M with CUDA support. AMD is only alive thanks to the next gen consoles, and have totally lacked any leadership in the computer scene.
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Then as you said "PLEASE, get a Macbook Air" and quit promoting size over performance, very few here follow the function follows form logic that you do. We are talking about the rMBP, you may take 300 journalistic shots a day but as you have said in Norway journalist shot are extremely limited in the kind of PP you can do. So in reality you do very little in PP and don't need much of a comp. I just don't understand why you are so interested in this string since as you have said on more than one occasion you do very little in PP and send it in for any work needing anything more. So use your MB and be happy it does what you need. I am not saying you are not a professional photographer BUT you don't have Professional Post Processing needs, so why keep pushing for smaller and lighter at the expense of performance. No one here wants bulkier we all would like thinner/ lighter but few want a step down in performance to get lighter and thinner. Again that's why there are MBA and MB
 
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Then as you said "PLEASE, get a Macbook Air" and quit promoting size over performance, very few here follow the function follows form logic that you do. We are talking about the rMBP, you may take 300 journalistic shots a day but as you have said in Norway journalist shot are extremely limited in the kind of PP you can do. So in reality you do very little in PP and don't need much of a comp. I just don't understand why you are so interested in this string since as you have said on more than one occasion you do very little in PP and send it in for any work needing anything more. So use your MB and be happy it does what you need. I am not saying you are not a professional photographer BUT you don't have Professional Post Processing needs, so why keep pushing for smaller and lighter at the expense of performance. No one here wants bulkier we all would like thinner/ lighter but few want a step down in performance to get lighter and thinner. Again that's why there are MBA and MB
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I'll see you later at the water cooler.
 
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Hi all. Been eyeing a MBP for a while now. Holding out for Skylake. I just had a chance to play with the new MacBook and got along okay enough with the keyboard. My concern lies with the trackpad. Both display models had a sticky (for lack of better words) trackpad. Is this common? Googling this doesn't bring up what I need. Do we think this type of trackpad will be on the new line up?
 
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sixstringedmatt said:
Both display models had a sticky (for lack of better words) trackpad. Is this common? Googling this doesn't bring up what I need. Do we think this type of trackpad will be on the new line up?
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You mean force touch?
It's already on both of the rMBPs and there's no real reason for apple to remove it.
 
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PKBeam said:
You mean force touch?
It's already on both of the rMBPs and there's no real reason for apple to remove it.
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The trackpad on the current MBP is brilliant in my view.

It's one thing that doesn't work as well when dual booting to Windows 10 (even with Trackpad++), although for Windows I'm more often than not using Excel and so a mouse is better anyway.
 
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andrewc3142 said:
The trackpad on the current MBP is brilliant in my view.

It's one thing that doesn't work as well when dual booting to Windows 10 (even with Trackpad++), although for Windows I'm more often than not using Excel and so a mouse is better anyway.
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Thanks both. This is helpful as I do hope to dual boot Windows. I suppose I'll just get used to the trackpad over time! There's no way I'm considering any other model than the pro with Skylake. The iGPU gains are too great and I plan on doing some light gaming on this machine.

Thanks again.
 
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sixstringedmatt said:
Thanks both. This is helpful as I do hope to dual boot Windows. I suppose I'll just get used to the trackpad over time! There's no way I'm considering any other model than the pro with Skylake. The iGPU gains are too great and I plan on doing some light gaming on this machine.

Thanks again.
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You're very welcome.

Another option for gaming (or just for the hell of it) could be triple boot OS X/Windows 10/Linux, now that the latter is a great gaming option. rEFIND should be able to do this - I haven't done it triple, but have used rEFIND to install Linux on an old MBP 3.1, dual booting with OS X, and no reason I can see you can't.

A new machine is a good time to try, assuming the first thing you do anyway is a clean install to get rid of the crapware. If it screws up you can delete the partition and start again.
 
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