There is going to be a redesign, purely based on the fact that Apple released a new wireless keyboard. This keyboard will make its way to Apple's MacBook Pro line at least.
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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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Does anyone of you own a aptX audio device? I do, and even though academics may preach that the human perception "can't" hear 50ms delay, my 2015 aptX device is still a bit late when watching movies. Enough to bug me.
I would love to hear stories about real scenarios, with hardware you own and have tested. Preaching may move mountains, but not mine. Bluetooth in it's current state sucks, but may be OK for audio recordings on the go.
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I would love to hear stories about real scenarios, with hardware you own and have tested. Preaching may move mountains, but not mine. Bluetooth in it's current state sucks, but may be OK for audio recordings on the go.
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I have with my Android tablets being the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition and Galaxy Tab S 20.5 and I don't notice a different between them and my iPhone, Windows laptop or Macbook
I can't grasp where you are going with this. I want no ports on the next MacBook pro. You just have to buy a new one when the battery is flat. With this approach Apple will only appeal to the 0.001% of the world. The rest can convert to android. The communist OS of phones.
I'll make is simple so you can understand...... No I don't notice a difference cool? Easy enough for you?
Color Options Please
Longer Battery Life
Thinner Chassis
TB3,USB C
Thats all I want
Longer Battery Life
Thinner Chassis
TB3,USB C
Thats all I want
You know why mac’s are used in the music/film/radio/tv/recording industry?
U know how many millions of headphones, amplifiers, TV’s, game controllers, radios, mp3’players etc. have a 3.5mm jack?
What do you think ppl use, to listen to music on ?!?
In-ear wireless buds are a novelty that has still yet to be developed truly. Your options are basically pesky low-battery life clunky two buds wired together, with some kind of battery and electronics holder hanging down the back of your neck, or they’re so big and clunky that they can’t stay put in your ear…
And I assume you know nothing about latency when it comes to wireless audio? You think pro’s are gonna be using bluetooth to do their video edition or audio tracking? Or even video watching for that matter…
Do think all the manufacturers of products that have a 3.5mm headphone out are gonna magically change their product lines to be all usb-c as their headphone out connection?
I thought this was supposed to be the MacBook PRO forum, not the iPod Touch forum, seriously man next time THINK before you speak such non-sense please.
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Ohhh, do you really think that Apple, the company that has killed TONS of standards, really cares about what manufacturers have to go though? Lol. People said the same thing when they killed the 30-pin connector, they didn't care, they just pushed the standard that they saw fit. It's like deja vu, all over again. If you think for a moment, that the industry has ever stopped Apple from doing what ever the hell they wanted, then you are so naive.
By the way, I don't agree with Oppenheim's extreme(ish) predictions, what I'm saying is that Apple SETS and KILLS standards as they see fit. They don't ask, they don't hold back, they don't think about inconveniences that their customers may experience. We are talking about the company that pretty much standarized USB. The company that dared to release a one (yet unknown) port laptop. If they tomorrow decided that the 3.5mm jack has to go it will go, regardless of what people think or need. Ironically this very "arrogance" and aloofness towards the rest of the industry was what first attracted me and many others towards Apple. Am I saying that future Apple products won't include a headphone jack? No
What I'm saying is that they are the ones who decide, not the industry, nor the consumer, a feat that only Apple (as of now) is able to get away with and still laugh all the way to the bank.
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It’s naive thinking the MacBook Pro line will be the first Apple laptops in recent memory without a headphone jack. Wanting it removed just doesn’t make sense unless you haven’t thought it through or are being selfish or you’re just not in the target area for a pro machine…It’s like taking away the modulation wheel from a keyboard. A traditional piano player probably wouldn’t mind, then again he wouldn’t be using a keyboard
The keyboard player would choose the one with the modulation wheels, because how else is he gonna bend the notes? With his feet? those are already being used to control the dampening/release of the notes…Then I’d go into a forum for professional keyboard players, and “wish” the next pro keyboard has no headphone out and no modulation wheels. See how much that makes sense?
Again, I don't think nor suggest that the headphone jack is going to be removed from the next rMBP. What im saying is that, if they suddenly decided to kill the 3.5mm, they will do it no matter what the customer thinks or needs.It’s naive thinking the MacBook Pro line will be the first Apple laptops in recent memory without a headphone jack. Wanting it removed just doesn’t make sense unless you haven’t thought it through or are being selfish or you’re just not in the target area for a pro machine…It’s like taking away the modulation wheel from a keyboard. A traditional piano player probably wouldn’t mind, then again he wouldn’t be using a keyboard
The biggest strength of the rMBP is also it's weakness now. The screen resolution needs to be improved. That will be the biggest upgrade.
They better redesign the Macbook to get the ultra thin bezel like on the new Dell XPS. I need a new laptop BADLY and am getting impatient but don't want to take a hit on resell. Thinking of actually getting a Dell XPS i7 refurb from the Dell Outlet.
I am absolutely AMAZED they finally released a new keyboard redesign and failed to include backlit LED lighting. That should have been it's killer new feature.
I guess it wasn't really needed. And another reason is that the wireless keyboard have white keys, whereas the laptops have black keys, which makes backlighting easier I guess?
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rMBP 15 has the same PPI as the 5k iMac. I wouldn't call that a weak resolution... It will be better if they go OLED color calibrated panels which will lead in to real time response, better blacks, lower consuptiom, etc... don't you think so?
More pixels at this point of PPI and small screens only means less battery and less effective GPU power.
Agreed. Improved display quality is more useful than endlessly adding pixels just to fill a spec sheet.
I can't see the pixels on my 15" rMBP even with my face relatively close to the screen. Adding pixels at this point would negatively affect the other components while adding very little if any visual benefit.
What I meant was more display area. The current 13" is at 1368x768 which is poor. It needs to be at least 1440x900(2880x1800) and the 15" becomes 1680x1050.
Some of you might say that we can set this today but not being the native resolution causes the GPU to work harder.
I just bought a 4K screen, and I'm in favor of upgrading everything including the screen. I don't care about the so called science that you can't hear anything over 20khz or see anything over 240 dpi on a screen, I believe humans are indifferent and certain individuals are able to see stuff or hear sound clearer. I think musicians are able to distinguish more detail in audio than the casual listener and the trained photographer may be able to reveal more detail in his shoots than the candid iPhone snapper. As the race for more megapixels soars, I want to be able to view as much as possible in actual pixels rather than anti aliased pixels cluttered into fewer dots on my screen.
Touch is starting to make sense, even on laptops, as my kids try to touch every new screen they are presented with. When Jobs dismissed the idea in the beginning based on inhouse testing, the world wasn't used to touching their screens, but now you expect that most screens respond to your fingers. People on this forums have invested in Surface Pros or are considering them in purchase advice, so it's time for Apple to look for solutions on how to standardise how we touch our laptops to accompany our more traditional input methods.
The audio jack may be able to disappear within a five year spell. Right now it doesn't make sense. Not in the Pro line or any device using OS X. The iPhone may be ready for the revolution if they get to sync it properly with movies. I prefer watching the video results in my Google search before reading lengthy text based hits. A video is more instant and you can judge the quality alot quicker with video than a text. I own aptX devices from 2015, the leading bluetooth technology to solve latency related issues, and the technology can't replace the reliability you get from a classic mini jack port.
Touch is starting to make sense, even on laptops, as my kids try to touch every new screen they are presented with. When Jobs dismissed the idea in the beginning based on inhouse testing, the world wasn't used to touching their screens, but now you expect that most screens respond to your fingers. People on this forums have invested in Surface Pros or are considering them in purchase advice, so it's time for Apple to look for solutions on how to standardise how we touch our laptops to accompany our more traditional input methods.
The audio jack may be able to disappear within a five year spell. Right now it doesn't make sense. Not in the Pro line or any device using OS X. The iPhone may be ready for the revolution if they get to sync it properly with movies. I prefer watching the video results in my Google search before reading lengthy text based hits. A video is more instant and you can judge the quality alot quicker with video than a text. I own aptX devices from 2015, the leading bluetooth technology to solve latency related issues, and the technology can't replace the reliability you get from a classic mini jack port.
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You do understand their reasoning, right? What's the PPI of your new 4k display? The MBP 15" is 220, the 13" is 227, and the iMac 5k is 218.
My new UP3216Q is 140 dpi. I would have bought the Dell 5K if it was SST and 32 inches big. As much as I think Apples marketing is a stroke of genius, I also like to rely on different sources from people sharing knowledge and doesn't have a product to sell along with that knowledge. The "good enough" status quo pursuing argument isn't very Applish. I understand your will to share the stats from the various models, but with any screen on the current market there is actual space for improvement according to the criticism brought fourth below...
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"Raymond Soneira, president of DisplayMate Technologies, has challenged Apple's claim. He says that the physiology of the human retina is such that there must be at least 477 pixels per inch in a pixelated display for the pixels to become imperceptible to the human eye at a distance of 12 inches (305 mm).[26] The astronomer and science blogger Phil Plait notes, however, that, "if you have [better than 20/20] eyesight, then at one foot away the iPhone 4S's pixels are resolved. The picture will look pixelated. If you have average eyesight [20/20 vision], the picture will look just fine... So in my opinion, what Jobs said was fine. Soneira, while technically correct, was being picky."[27] Shortly after Soneira's challenge, the Boys of Tech podcast published their own analysis[28] and concluded that Soneira's claim was invalid and that Jobs' claim was correct. This was primarily because Soneira misinterpreted the manner in which the acuity of the human eye can be tested. The retinal neuroscientist Bryan Jones offers a similar analysis of more detail and comes to a similar conclusion: "I'd find Apple’s claims stand up to what the human eye can perceive."[29]
Apple fan website CultOfMac stated that the resolution the human eye can discern at 12 inches is 900 PPI, concluding "Apple’s Retina Displays are only about 33% of the way there."[30] On the topic of 20/20 vision, they said "most research suggests that normal vision is actually much better than 20/20. In fact, people with normal vision usually won't see their eyesight degrade to 20/20 until they are 60 or 70 years of age"[30] (confirmed by vision testing experts Precision Vision).[31] CultOfMacalso noted that people do not always view displays at a constant distance, and will sometimes move closer, at which point the display could no longer be classed as Retina.[30]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_Display#Criticism
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Is that true? I've got the "hi-res" antiglare on my 2011 MBP, so I'm used to 1680x1050 and the current rMBP "native" resolution of 1440x900 of workspace obviously is not an improvement. But figured I could adjust the resolution to one of the non 4x resolutions to increase the work area and still (mostly) benefit from the increase in density. Does this really cause GPU slowdowns in real life usage?
Uh, not so fast.
Your use of the 30-pin connector to illustrate your point misses the mark: it is not a standard at all, it is a proprietary Apple connector, just as Lightning is. That's different from USB or the 1/8" jack, which are indeed governed by a standard. Moreover, Apple tried to establish FireWire and Thunderbolt just as they did with USB originally, but neither of those standards ever really took hold industry wide. (There's obviously hope for Thunderbolt 3 since it's using the USB-C connector, and indeed we've seen non-Apple products showing up with it in the last few months.) So to claim that Apple decides what standards will succeed or which ones won't just by their own arbitrary choice is incorrect.
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