The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)

[Cougarcat]

I certainly hope the next Macbooks isn't just going to be some OLED bar update and otherwise faster internals. Not much innovation going on since Steve Jobs died. Maybe they'll get rid of the headphone port and call it courage too? Hope not. They've been thinking about it from their survey.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/life/...-on-use-of-headphone-jack-on-macbook-pro.html

The leaked prototype has it, and they wouldn't have asked on a survey if they had already decided. I think if it happens it'll be in 3-4 years when there's another redesign.

Wide gamut display + Touch Bar + Touch ID + cheaper storage + updated internals and ports would be a stellar update, IMO.

 

[robeddie]

I see trolling, but that was just a terrible terrible comment. Everything about it is cringe worthy. Nothing to do with not agreeing with it. Lots of people say stuff all the time I don't agree with.
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What truth have you spoken other than you are obviously trolling and out of touch with the reality of what Apple has been doing for the last 15 years?

What's you're deal. We disagree. Move on.

 

[mayuka]

What's you're deal. We disagree. Move on.

The one who shouts the loudest......

 

[pbasmadj]

I really hope they don't put that awful MacBook keyboard in the pro. It feels so cheesy and cheap.

I was this way originally, but after using one more in depth (family member's) it definitely grows on you. I don't mind it at all and may slightly prefer it/or be fairly indifferent. It just isn't that big of a deal.

 

[inhalexhale1]

I was this way originally, but after using one more in depth (family member's) it definitely grows on you. I don't mind it at all and may slightly prefer it/or be fairly indifferent. It just isn't that big of a deal.

I can't say for sure it isn't something that I would end up liking or at least tolerating, but I can't see myself even giving it that chance. Maybe for the 14 days Apple provides. It just feels unbelievably cheap to me, like a surface keyboard or the Apple wireless keyboard.

 

[Nautilus007]

This is kind of crazy, weeks before launch and no leaks? A leaked chasis is all we've seen, anyone remember if the retina macbook pro leaked before it launched?

 

[PVisitors]

This is kind of crazy, weeks before launch and no leaks? A leaked chasis is all we've seen, anyone remember if the retina macbook pro leaked before it launched?

For the 2012 model there were no leaked parts. The 2012 retina model was when that Ming Kuo made his name really as he revealed everything almost perfectly including the roadmap (15" being released before the 13" etc) as before that he was always known to be sketchy, now he's probably the best analyst or whatever for Apple!

Though no leaks isn't a great sign IMO if you want the machine ASAP. There were no leaks for the original rMBP launch and supply was constrained pretty tight, think I waited around 4-5 weeks for mine. It suggests they haven't ramped up the supply chain, or won't, until actual launch of the product.

Hoping for a smaller footprint 13" as well as it being thinner really.

 

[Nautilus007]

For the 2012 model there were no leaked parts. The 2012 retina model was when that Ming Kuo made his name really as he revealed everything almost perfectly including the roadmap (15" being released before the 13" etc) as before that he was always known to be sketchy, now he's probably the best analyst or whatever for Apple!

Though no leaks isn't a great sign IMO if you want the machine ASAP. There were no leaks for the original rMBP launch and supply was constrained pretty tight, think I waited around 4-5 weeks for mine. It suggests they haven't ramped up the supply chain, or won't, until actual launch of the product.

Hoping for a smaller footprint 13" as well as it being thinner really.

I had the original, got lucky and grabbed mine had it shipped. It sucked because I usually wait to get some awesome discounts and that doesn't happen. Currently, using a 12 inch macbook will grab the 15 and keep this one for portability.

 

[haydn!]

Mac leaks are often fewer and further between than iPhone. This is simply down to logistics. Unit volumes are 1/10 that of an iPhone release, so the required units to support a launch can be manufactured just a couple of weeks before launch. This shorter manufacturing cycle and fewer overall units means its easier to control and reduces the likelihood of parts being leaked in advanced. Plus, there is generally less mass-media interest in Mac updates so less incentive for factory workers to steal parts too!

 

[Sonmi451]

I certainly hope the next Macbooks isn't just going to be some OLED bar update and otherwise faster internals. Not much innovation going on since Steve Jobs died. Maybe they'll get rid of the headphone port and call it courage too? Hope not. They've been thinking about it from their survey.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/life/...-on-use-of-headphone-jack-on-macbook-pro.html

It's a laptop, what more do you really want? Of course Apple does strange things every once in a while, some of them work out, some of them don't. I like the idea of an OLED bar, and some kind of touch ID login, but not sure if it will actually improve the experience. Not sure what kind of "innovation" you're looking for channeling the ghost of Steve Jobs. He is dead and not relevant to any current conversation at Apple, you just sound insensitive and entitled. Let the man rest in peace.

 

[brock2621]

For the 2012 model there were no leaked parts. The 2012 retina model was when that Ming Kuo made his name really as he revealed everything almost perfectly including the roadmap (15" being released before the 13" etc) as before that he was always known to be sketchy, now he's probably the best analyst or whatever for Apple!

Though no leaks isn't a great sign IMO if you want the machine ASAP. There were no leaks for the original rMBP launch and supply was constrained pretty tight, think I waited around 4-5 weeks for mine. It suggests they haven't ramped up the supply chain, or won't, until actual launch of the product.

Hoping for a smaller footprint 13" as well as it being thinner really.

The thunderbolt MBP's didn't leak until about 48hrs or so before announcement. No leaks when the new iMac and Mac Pro were announced either so I wouldn't necessarily take it as a negative sign. Fingers crossed...
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Mac leaks are often fewer and further between than iPhone. This is simply down to logistics. Unit volumes are 1/10 that of an iPhone release, so the required units to support a launch can be manufactured just a couple of weeks before launch. This shorter manufacturing cycle and fewer overall units means its easier to control and reduces the likelihood of parts being leaked in advanced. Plus, there is generally less mass-media interest in Mac updates so less incentive for factory workers to steal parts too!

This.
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All in all, we can agree to disagree. That said, I still think you need to hit the gym.

I'm not sure these frail arms will be able to endure the sheer crushing weight of the new MBP's ;p

 

[robeddie]

The thunderbolt MBP's didn't leak until about 48hrs or so before announcement. No leaks when the new iMac and Mac Pro were announced either so I wouldn't necessarily take it as a negative sign. Fingers crossed...
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This.
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I'm not sure these frail arms will be able to endure the sheer crushing weight of the new MBP's ;p

Ha! Assuming that is you in the pic, then its 1000% more vexing why you're bitching about the overbearing weight of the current MBP's. I will affectionally nick-name you 'first world gym rat' from now on.

 

[Tensakun]

I nearly never use earphones with my MBA. BUT...I regularly deal with seminar venues and classrooms that only have minijacks for audio. Guess this means buying adaptor(s).

 

[pbasmadj]

I can't say for sure it isn't something that I would end up liking or at least tolerating, but I can't see myself even giving it that chance. Maybe for the 14 days Apple provides. It just feels unbelievably cheap to me, like a surface keyboard or the Apple wireless keyboard.

It could be a matter of your personal preference, but I truly believe it would grow on you because it did for me in a short amount of time. Then you hop on the older ones and they seem kind of clunky. I don't know, at least give it a try next time you are in the Apple store really type something out. Man, I just want to see the new computers!

 

[ritt]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, but I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.

Looking at the supposed leaked photos, there appear to be 4 openings for USB-C ports and one apparent headphone jack. So, where's the opening for the power port?

 

[myscrnnm]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, but I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.

Looking at the supposed leaked photos, there appear to be 4 openings for USB-C ports and one apparent headphone jack. So, where's the opening for the power port?

If the leaked chassis is to be believed, I imagine you would charge the MacBook Pro via USB-C, like the Retina MacBook.

 

[ritt]

If the leaked chassis is to be believed, I imagine you would charge the MacBook Pro via USB-C, like the Retina MacBook.

Ah, okay, thanks! I didn't realize the Retina MacBooks charged via USB-C.

 

[HardBall]

This is how I see it too. Those who believe 'Pro' means a super high spec desktop replacement are going to be disappointed soon. These machines are getting thinner and lighter with good specs, but certainly wont see any huge speed increases on the current models.

With regards the current weight of the machines, most of us can easily carry a 15" laptop no problems, but if it is in your bag all day and is required to be carried around to a lot of places, it is not much fun. I have done this several times and have wished I had not brought it. Bringing it to and from an office environment is a totally different game and is just fine for that.

I am moving to a new co working office soon where I intend to work in various locations within it. The imac will stay on the desk for heavy production work and a lightweight 13" MBP plus ipad pro will be fine for everything else I will need on the go. If the 13" doesn't get a decent weight reduction I will look at the 12"MB, although really this is compromise device for me [had one before].

Exactly.

I think most people who want a laptop, need it because the mobility if provides. Even it is just one day a week where we have to run around town and make presentations or see different clients. Carrying a 4lb + laptop for 8-10 hours is just not a palatable option at all. It is very different for those who only need to carry it to work and from work; but in most of those cases, you would be better off just to use your desktop at office and leave another machine at home; and most people would not enjoying bringing work home every day anyhow.

Plus you can always ssh or remote desktop into your work machine if you needed to access some files or applications there, there generally isn't a barrier that applies to remote logins but does not apply to the actual machine being off the company network. Cloud computing and network security has evolved to a point where having power on the go is an increasingly small niche to fill. Sure, for some people still very important; but probably not for mass market machines such as the 12" macbook.

 

[freddiecable]

how many leaks was there for Mac Pro? None what I can recall.

This is kind of crazy, weeks before launch and no leaks? A leaked chasis is all we've seen, anyone remember if the retina macbook pro leaked before it launched?

[doublepost=1475866554][/doublepost]I agree. But, I would really like a super thin (12" mac book style) but with a 14" screen at least. my eyes are getting old and needs larger screen. personally i dont need 3D-rendering speeds

Exactly.

I think most people who want a laptop, need it because the mobility if provides. Even it is just one day a week where we have to run around town and make presentations or see different clients. Carrying a 4lb + laptop for 8-10 hours is just not a palatable option at all. It is very different for those who only need to carry it to work and from work; but in most of those cases, you would be better off just to use your desktop at office and leave another machine at home; and most people would not enjoying bringing work home every day anyhow.

Plus you can always ssh or remote desktop into your work machine if you needed to access some files or applications there, there generally isn't a barrier that applies to remote logins but does not apply to the actual machine being off the company network. Cloud computing and network security has evolved to a point where having power on the go is an increasingly small niche to fill. Sure, for some people still very important; but probably not for mass market machines such as the 12" macbook.

 

[johngwheeler]

Exactly.

I think most people who want a laptop, need it because the mobility if provides. Even it is just one day a week where we have to run around town and make presentations or see different clients. Carrying a 4lb + laptop for 8-10 hours is just not a palatable option at all. It is very different for those who only need to carry it to work and from work; but in most of those cases, you would be better off just to use your desktop at office and leave another machine at home; and most people would not enjoying bringing work home every day anyhow.

Plus you can always ssh or remote desktop into your work machine if you needed to access some files or applications there, there generally isn't a barrier that applies to remote logins but does not apply to the actual machine being off the company network. Cloud computing and network security has evolved to a point where having power on the go is an increasingly small niche to fill. Sure, for some people still very important; but probably not for mass market machines such as the 12" macbook.

This is a good point. I have a 15" MBP which I bought because I was concerned I wouldn't have enough processing power for running VMs when visiting customers or traveling for work. A lot of this type of work has moved to cloud machines now, so we just set up our machines on Amazon, Azure etc.

At home and in the office, I now use desktop (well, under the desk!) Xeon workstations which give a far smoother experience than a laptop when under load, and you can stuff them with RAM and disks (I have 32 & 64GB machines). The downside is having to use Windows or Linux, but overall it's a better computing experience (than the MBP) for most things. I'll often have the MBP running for other Apple software, such as Messages, Facetime etc.

I think my next laptop will be a 12.5-13.5" size (MacBook, Surface Pro, Dell XPS 13 size), but I would still go for 16GB RAM as I've found I typically use this for work. I'm not concerned about having a 45W quad-core CPU though - I rarely need this power on the go (I use cloud machines), and a good dual core i5 or i7 is a better compromise in terms of weight, power and battery life. Same thing with discrete graphics - I've found it just uses too much battery power (half the life of comped to using the Iris Pro) and for my uses, it doesn't add much (VMs run a little bit more smoothly)

 

[TC03]

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/07/microsoft-event

That’s one day before Apple’s event to announce new MacBooks on Thursday 27 October — if Apple moved its earnings from the 27th to the 25th to make room for an event.

Did Gruber just confirm a MacBook event on 27 October?

 

[Mark-Technology]

Man, how much longer is it going to take! I want a new MacBook Pro in my hands already. Take my freakin money Apple.

 

[BoneDaddy]

I have to disagree with the desire for Apple to remove the 3.5mm headphone jack, in exchange for the lighting port.

If Apple were smart, they'd use both. For one, I agree with the idea that closely related generations of Apple devices need to be as similar as possible, so that everything is interconnected.

However, the MBP is not an iPhone. It's a personal, portable computer. This means that people use analogue headphones on these, far more than on phones. Phones are usually paired with bluetooth headsets.

One area where removing the jack would be unthinkable, is in the are of video and audio content creation. More people than most of you realize, have expensive headphones and audio systems that require a headphone jack. Using an adapter, creates more of a likelihood for audio quality issues, or mechanical failure, because more parts means more potential for failure. For those of us who need the upmost accurate audio potential, this would be unacceptable, and Apple very well knows this. They have a history of using multiple generation ports and that will not change, I am certain.

My argument is exactly the same reason why they kept firewire after releasing usb, usb after releasing thunderbolt, and they will keep thunderbolt after releasing usb C on the rest of the portable devices. They also kept the analogue microphone input, even though there was an on board mic. The only real difference is audio accuracy is more sensitive of an issue.

The lightning port will come soon, but the headphone jack will be around for a ling time to come. Mark my words; The MB line may be heading toward ultra portability, but the Pro line doesn't need to be paper thin and therefore there is absolutely no necessity to remove the jack.

 

[Roller]

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/07/microsoft-event

Did Gruber just confirm a MacBook event on 27 October?

Well, he did say "if," which suggests that he was speculating. I wonder what the shortest interval between an Apple event and its announcement has been in the past few years.

 

[Cougarcat]

Well, he did say "if," which suggests that he was speculating. I wonder what the shortest interval between an Apple event and its announcement has been in the past few years.

A week.