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The No Touch Bar 13 Macbook Version

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Abaganov

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Lets discuss this model,

I'm not keen on the touch bar thingy anyway, and in $1499 for the base model (plus shipping right now) this seems like a good option ,but what about the other inferior specs ,

  • 2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor VS 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor at the Touch Bar version
  • 1866MHz memory VS 2133MHz at the Touch Bar version
  • Intel Iris Graphics 540 VS 550 at the Touch Bar version

Would the difference in performance be something we would feel? specially regarding the 2ghz professor?
 
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user74246

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It's a 15W processor and it has a larger battery than the touch bar version, so should have better battery life.
That's something on the positive side at least!
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I wonder how much of a difference it makes.

15 W with 54.5 Wh vs.
28 W with 49.2 Wh
 
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user74246 said:
I wonder how much of a difference it makes.

15 W with 54.5 Wh vs.
28 W with 49.2 Wh
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I'm wondering this too. If the difference is significant I would happily forgo the touch bar.

One other important difference is the lower end 13" uses Iris 540 instead of 550 for graphics. Does anyone have a guess as to how big the graphics gap might be?

I really just want to be able to use the retina display without UI lag.
 
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user74246 said:
I wonder how much of a difference it makes.

15 W with 54.5 Wh vs.
28 W with 49.2 Wh
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Are we sure one is 15W? aren't they both 28W, Apple says they both last 10hrs (Wireless web)

EDIT - Having looked into it (which is what I should have done before posting), it seems they are 2.0ghz 15w and 2.9ghz 28w cpus. I did find that the 2.0 turbo boosts to 3.1ghz and the 2.9 to 3.2ghz.
 
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This model is a pleasant surprise because (and this was not a given at all) you can get both

- the new sexy slim and light design
- the new amazing screen
- tb3 ports and 5K 60Hz external monitor

AND

- the ESC key and the F-keys

I repeat, this was not a given. Hope a similar non-touchbar model is available in the next generations as well and the touchbar never trickles down to the cheapest MBP.

This is a godsend for geeks who wanna have an "ultimate" laptop with all the keys even in linux and windows.

A maxed out one (except ssd, 512GB is enough) would be my current dream laptop for daily light workload.
 
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giggles said:
It's a pleasant surprise because (and this was not a given at all) you can get both
- the new sexy slim and light design
- the new amazing screen
- tb3 ports and 5K 60Hz external monitor

AND

- the ESC key and the F-keys

I repeat, this was not a given. Hope a similar non-touchbar model is available in the next generations as well and the touchbar never trickles down to the cheapest MBP.

This is a godsend for geeks who wanna have an "ultimate" laptop with all the keys even in linux and windows.

A maxed out one (except ssd, 512GB is enough) would be my current dream laptop for daily light workload.
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are you planning of getting that?
 
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As soon as I saw this I could see that this would be the most popular model. Lower price, no touch bar (which might be kind of cool but it's ultimately a bit of a gimmick), better battery life. Wish it was slightly lighter, but this is a killer laptop.
 
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giggles

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zhenya said:
Wish it was slightly lighter, but this is a killer laptop.
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Old regular 13" rMBP felt super heavy in hands and in the backpack. (to a 2016 user spoiled by Airs and 12" MB)
Having the new one weight-match an Air is already a dream AFAIC.

In this particular 15W model the CPU takes a little performance hit compared to last gen 28W rMBP but it's fast enough anyway and it will be on top again in the next gen (kaby or cannon lake).
 
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What do you guys think about the processor spec bump on this model, is it worth the $300 ?

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giggles

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Abaganov said:
What do you guys think about the processor spec bump on this model, is it worth the $300 ?

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It is rarely worth it if you can't directly make money out of a couple of saved seconds here and there. They both have Hyperthreading (4 virtual cores), so they really are two i7 with different clock and little else.
It's more of an OCD thing, if you're gonna keep it till the end of time (and can easily afford it) probably embrace the urge to max it out.
 
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user74246 said:
I ordered the base model without any additional order customizations. The 512 GB SSD was tempting, but I want to hold it in my hands as soon as possible! ;)
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Congrats! Please let us know how its running once you get your hands on it :)
 
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A basic comparison from CPU Monkey : http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_6360u-581-vs-intel_core_i5_6267u-584

(basic config cpu for no touch bar on left, with touch bar on the right).

It seems that in single thread you have about 90-94% of the performances. in multi thread you are around 80%.

Also, like mentionned above. the considerably lower power consumption with a bigger battery (I assume it is because of the space saved by the secure enclave, touch bar, thunderbold ports and a smaller heatsink.) should give you better battery life.

However on Apple website it's weird that it's 10 hours for both. It's almost impossible that they both have the same battery life. Probably Apple didn't want to show a spec where the "cheap" (cheap relative to the other one :p) is better.

Personnally I already ordered mine (the no touch bar MacBook Pro). I need a laptop asap, and also I have a good gaming PC tower at home so if I need to encode a video I don't need my MBP or something very demanding I don't have to do it on my MBP.
 
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/V\acpower said:
A basic comparison from CPU Monkey : http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_6360u-581-vs-intel_core_i5_6267u-584

(basic config cpu for no touch bar on left, with touch bar on the right).

It seems that in single thread you have about 90-94% of the performances. in multi thread you are around 80%.

Also, like mentionned above. the considerably lower power consumption with a bigger battery (I assume it is because of the space saved by the secure enclave, touch bar, thunderbold ports and a smaller heatsink.) should give you better battery life.

However on Apple website it's weird that it's 10 hours for both. It's almost impossible that they both have the same battery life. Probably Apple didn't want to show a spec where the "cheap" (cheap relative to the other one :p) is better.

Personnally I already ordered mine (the no touch bar MacBook Pro). I need a laptop asap, and also I have a good gaming PC tower at home so if I need to encode a video I don't need my MBP or something very demanding I don't have to do it on my MBP.
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Its indeed strange, there is no way that the touch bar version uses the same battery power as the none touch one.
 
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DaDalle said:
How will the new 13" perform in a triple Monitor setup with 2560x1440 Monitors?
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I think it would perform fine. Even the base model non-touchpad model supports 5K at 60 Hz or two 4K displays at 60 Hz.

Actually pretty good value.
 
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