The No Touch Bar 13 Macbook Version

[Abaganov]

This CPU is clocked much slower than the 2015 base model. Is it because it is a different class of CPU and this one is actually faster than the 2.7GHz in the base 2015 model?

Slower but it should not be compared with the 2015 MBP base model as this one is Macbook air replacement

 

[Kendo]

It is a different class (15w) of CPU, and it is in fact SLOWER than the 2.7GHz (28w) CPU in the 2015 model.

So why would anyone want this version? The previous gen has all the ports you need and you're only sacrificing a little more thickness and weight.

 

[Appleaker]

I think people would be excited about it at $1099. At $1499 it's the new air in terms of use case but 50% more expensive.

Yeah, it really shouldn't have been that price but I guess they are still selling MacBook Airs at around that price so they don't want to eat into those sales. I think we're going to see a reduction across the MacBook lineup sometime next year... hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[jobs.jdfournier]

Slower but it should not be compared with the 2015 MBP base model as this one is Macbook air replacement

That is drinking the Kool aid. It should be compared because of price alone. Yeah it is an upgrade on the Air, but not at all in the same price bracket so that comparison is just silly.

 

[WickedPorter]

Ritchie yet again says it's thinner and lighter... while Apple does not. http://www.imore.com/hello-again-hands-new-macbooks-pro

One last surprise: A third MacBook Pro. No, Apple's still not making a Retina Air, but this is the next, better thing. It's a version of the 13-inch MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, and even thinner and lighter.

It's maximized for portability, the way a superlegera super car is maximized for lightness. It's an interesting choice, but I think a good one. The MacBook Air chassis is at the end of the line. This provides a new beginning.

 

[WickedPorter]

Rene Ritchie corrected his article to the following:

One last surprise: A third MacBook Pro. No, Apple's still not making a Retina Air, but this is the next, better thing. It's a version of the 13-inch MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar that's meant for people who love the 13-inch MacBook Air but want a Retina display and modern architecture.

It's an interesting choice, but I think a good one. The MacBook Air chassis is at the end of the line. This provides a new beginning. You pay for the new screen and processors, though — this new 13-inch MacBook Pro starts at $500 more than the old 13-inch MacBook Air.

 

[asoksevil]

Correct me if I am wrong but is this the base CPU and upgraded CPU?

Intel® Core™ i5-6360U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-6660U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)

Compared to the Touch Bar version:

Intel® Core™ i5-6267U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i5-6287U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)
Intel® Core™ i7-6567U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz)

 

[unagimiyagi]

The touch bar is absolutely not worth the price premium, so I agree the base model, which is already way overpriced, is the best of the bad deals being offered this time. The base model should be $1299. They are still peddling 8gb of ram and 16gb ram max. And 256gb ssd drives. Even the base model is a terrible value even by Apple's standards.

The way to think about this laptop is as a retina macbook air...for $1500. Um, no.

 

[argentum47]

Yep, the non-TB model should be called a Retina Macbook Air.

15 W CPU? check
2 USB ports? check

It does have slightly better CPU & larger SSD than the previous base MBA but that can't justify price increase at all as they're getting cheaper every year and the most recent MBA launched in 2014. Chassis, force touch, color, etc. don't justify at all.

So the real difference justifying any price increase from the previous MBA is screen alone, which certainly doesn't justify +$500...

Apple marketing and price strategies at their finest. GJ

 

[Marhowl]

I am probably going for this, but only because my younger brother happens to be in Chicago right now and he can hopefully bring me one over to Europe and if I don't like it, I may even sell it for the same price by Christmas!

Otherwise, I really think people should wait if they want to upgrade their existing hardware

 

[potatis]

This one also has flat keyboard, right?

 

[Abaganov]

This one also has flat keyboard, right?

They all have the same keyboard

 

[hululu]

Can anyone tell me in what environment you would ACTUALLY NEED the better CPU on the touch bar mbpr?

debating which one to get the non touch bar or the touch bar? 2 reasons for the touch bar : better cpu and four ports (couldnt care less about touch bar itself lol)

 

[timcook_boyfriend]

I wonder cpu performance.

2015 series 2.7 GHz processor based on how much difference?
2016 series 2.9 GHz processor based on how much difference?

I expect the Geekbench results.

 

[schmidti91]

When can we expect reviews?

 

[keviig]

Here are top Geekbench 4 results for:

- 2015 rMBP 13" Base model (5257U)
vs
- 2016 rMBP 13" Base Non-Touch Bar (6360U):

- Single Core
- 2015: 3716
- 2016: 3730

- Multi Core
- 2015: 7110
- 2016: 7085

Not much of a downgrade if you ask me.

Source: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/605218?baseline=875361

Edit: Here's a comparison to the 2016 MB m3 if that's of any interest:
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/505010?baseline=875361

 

[timcook_boyfriend]

Here are top Geekbench 4 results for:

- 2015 rMBP 13" Base model (5257U)
vs
- 2016 rMBP 13" Base Non-Touch Bar (6360U):

- Single Core
- 2015: 3716
- 2016: 3730

- Multi Core
- 2015: 7110
- 2016: 7085

Not much of a downgrade if you ask me.

Source: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/605218?baseline=875361

Edit: Here's a comparison to the 2016 MB m3 if that's of any interest:
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/605218?baseline=875361

Thank you for the information.

The results are very similar. But 5257U 28 watt tdp, 6360U 15 watt tdp. 2016 series low power consumption.

I'm waiting for the results of 6267U cpu (2.9 ghz touch bar-id with model)

 

[HelsinkiMac]

Here are top Geekbench 4 results for:

- 2015 rMBP 13" Base model (5257U)
vs
- 2016 rMBP 13" Base Non-Touch Bar (6360U):

- Single Core
- 2015: 3716
- 2016: 3730

- Multi Core
- 2015: 7110
- 2016: 7085

Not much of a downgrade if you ask me.

Source: https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/605218?baseline=875361

Edit: Here's a comparison to the 2016 MB m3 if that's of any interest:
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/605218?baseline=875361

Good work - and that's a decent result for someone coming from an MBA... (I think you cut and pasted the same comparison for the MB as the two MBPs!)

 

[keviig]

Good work - and that's a decent result for someone coming from an MBA... (I think you cut and pasted the same comparison for the MB as the two MBPs!)

Indeed i did! Fixed it now

 

[HelsinkiMac]

Thank you for the information.

The results are very similar. But 5257U 28 watt tdp, 6360U 15 watt tdp. 2016 series low power consumption.

Yeah that's actually fairly impressive, a 50% TDP drop and essentially the same performance! Is that even possible? Or did the old MBA processors offer 90% of the 28W processor performance for 50% of the TDP as well?

 

[keviig]

Thank you for the information.

The results are very similar. But 5257U 28 watt tdp, 6360U 15 watt tdp. 2016 series low power consumption.

That's what makes this so impressive. People blindly look at base clock speeds (2.0 vs 2.7) while forgetting to look at boost speeds, which is 3.1 for both.
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Yeah that's actually fairly impressive, a 50% TDP drop and essentially the same performance! Is that even possible? Or did the old MBA processors offer 90% of the 28W processor performance for 50% of the TDP as well?

It is possible. Just look at the rMB's which provide well over 50% of the performance of the 28W models while having 1/5 the TDP at 5-7W.

 

[HelsinkiMac]

That's what makes this so impressive. People blindly look at base clock speeds (2.0 vs 2.7) while forgetting to look at boost speeds, which is 3.1 for both.
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It is possible. Just look at the rMB's which provide well over 50% of the performance of the 28W models while having 1/5 the TDP at 5-7W.

I think the 15W units have lower boost speeds for both cores running at the same time than the 28W ones...

True about the rMB!

Right, it seems that these were available for immediate shipping vs a delay for the touch ones, so I really want a battery life review ASAP! This really does seem to be the MBA replacement for me...

 

[vszn]

I was planning on getting the new MBP base model (without the TouchBar) as soon as it releases. But now I'm not sure if I should just get the 2015 MBP... Any thoughts on that?

 

[mattopotamus]

I was planning on getting the new MBP base model (without the TouchBar) as soon as it releases. But now I'm not sure if I should just get the 2015 MBP... Any thoughts on that?

If you do not care about a new keyboard, lighter laptop, and new design the 2015 makes more sense. They are nearly identical from a performance standpoint from the benchmarks I have seen.

 

[Lollo]

Hi guys, I'm searching for advices.

I strongly want to leave Windows and that's why I'm not considering XPS and similars: I'm coming from a 2010 15" Vaio (i5 m430 and ATI HD5400) which has been my primary machine for everyday needs (University life, gaming, writing, internet) and it still runs, but it's time to change.

What do you think is better and worth the money between:

(italian prices with education discount)

· 2015 Retina Macbook Pro 13" - 1530€

with Intel Core i5 dual-core 28w 2,7GHz (Turbo Boost 3,1GHz), 8GB ram, 256GB, Intel Iris 6100

· 2016 Retina Macbook Pro 13" NON-touch, 1530€

with Intel Core i5 dual-core 15w 2,0GHz (Turbo Boost 3,1GHz), 8GB ram, 256GB, Intel Iris 540

· 2016 Retina Macbook Pro 13" NON-touch, 1850€

with Intel Core i7 dual-core 15w 2,4GHz (Turbo Boost 3,4GHz), 8GB ram, 256GB, Intel Iris 540


There is a noticeable CPU/GPU difference? I absolutely don't need OLED while I need portability, good battery life and occasionally gaming (not newest demanding titles and obviously with Bootcamp, something like old Assassin's, FM2017... basically just something newer than my old laptop).

Thank you in advance.