wait....so you are saying you like the loss of functionality that the notch brings?
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Nah, just that I accept it as a short-term compromise in a device that introduces more gains than losses for what I use it for.
i would argue it is not more efficient. It is all about saving display size and reducing cost for Apple.
The notch reduces functionality. It reduces the amount of very useful information that can be displayed at the top of the screen like Bluetooth battery percentage in actual numbers, Alarm clock notification icon.screen orientation and location.
I buy iPhones for their great user experience. I like my iPhone 8 plus a allot. I don't want a notch just to differentiate it from other phones or to save money by using a smaller display size screen.
I would rather have useful information displayed at the top and have the display 02 larger.
Look at this picture I posted earlier in the thread between and iPhone X and my 8 Plus.
The 8 plus has more useful information displayed that adds to a better user experience.
Just ignore the bezels...i know how much they bother you. You can reduce bezel size and still have a great screen to body ratio without having a notch. Look at the Samsung phones....
Lol, I had a little bit of a giggle at the whole "notch just to differentiate it from other phones" part, as now Huawei, LG and who knows what other company have stripped the differentiation away rather quickly.
Best setup is how Samsung is doing it, no wasted space in the Display and the phones are well sized.
Hoping they get the Chin and Forehead even smaller on the Note9.
You know what? I would not mind somwthing like this from Samsung.Here is a great body to display ratio phone with no notch....
Vivo Apex
Not sure about the camera thing though
However! I would rather the phone has a Forehead much like that of a S9+/Note8 with all the Camera, Infrared, Proximity sensors etc....at the top, BUT with an incredibly thin Chin, like that Vivo's forehead.
You lose symmetry, yes, but you do not lose screen real estate unlike with the notch ,avoiding having to put all sorts of stupid UI compromises to compensate for the notch.
Here is a great body to display ratio phone with no notch....
Vivo Apex
Not sure about the camera thing though
Yeah I was watching that yesterday, fascinating. It has some serious shortcomings though. It still uses a flexible display to be able to wrap around the edges. The front camera pops out, creating more wear and tear and possible longevity issues. From what he says it's also basically a prototype that can't be mass produced yet, at least not at a reasonable price.
It's still an awesome looking phone though, I'd buy it in a second!!
I think I have answered that question a number of times throughout this thread. But the image below should be enough to show how much useful information is lost because of the notch.
Oh. I thought you were talking about functionality, not small pieces of information. My mistake.
that information is functionality...They are features and very useful information that adds to the overall user experience
Removing this functionality removes from the overall user experience
Are you seriously going to argue that removing the words “T-Mobile WiFi” and a battery number that you really shouldn’t be worrying about anyway is just so terrible like you’re making it seem?
are you seriously going to say people should NOT be looking at battery life as they use their phone? Are you seriously going to say that seeing the battery life displayed in an icon is easier or better than seeing it in actual numbers?
Are seriously going to say that knowing at a glance whether Bluetooth is on is not useful information?
Are you seriously going to argue that information at a glance is not very useful?
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I could see myself breaking off that pop up camera!
I’m arguing that you shouldn’t stress yourself out so much. People stress themselves out way too much with numbers. And are you actually arguing that you need to know if BT is on? What’s the purpose of that? Just leave it on.
Is information useful? Sure. Is it so terrible that the notch gives less of it? Not really. I find there are so many more important things to worry about than whether or not I can see the exact percentage of phone battery.
That is you....you don't care about how much battery you have left then great! You know you can turn the battery icon off on most phones...you should do that since you don't care about battery life.
But I think the majority of people want to know what is going on with their phones. I think they want to know how much juice they have left and if they can make it through the day with what they have left or if they have to charge it.
Maybe they have an important call to make.... maybe they will be out with friends and want to make sure the phone will last with what it has...there are a million reasons to check battery life on our phones.
Bluetooth is a big drain on battery life and if you don't need it why have it on.
Information is great to have. That is why we have our phones in the first place because they help us gather more information. Then having useful information at a glance adds to the overall user experience.
After all if you don't need all this information and features...then go back to a dumb flip phone. there is very little to stress about on those.....
I would really like to see the battery percentage myself. I wish Apple just allowed us to replace the battery icon with the percentage, then it wouldn't take up more space. Otherwise I agree, the other stuff I don't care about, but I can only agree for myself as my personal opinion. But even with the battery percentage it's not a big deal, and I still say you gain more functionally by gaining screen real estate than you lose by dumbing down the status bar. Net math = added functionality IMO.
Also, as I've said before, this is something that can be fixed with some attention to detail. Apple could make the status bar text slightly smaller, say the same size as it is on the current ip7/8, and move it up a bit, maybe even do 2 rows if it can be done with good aesthetics. Maybe think outside the box, like having wifi, cellular, battery, etc vertical instead of horizontal.
I'm surprised there isn't any experimentation on Android with this, I guess there aren't that many notch phones out yet. I remember one of my great loves was playing around with the status bar on a rooted (and jailbroken for ios) phone, changing the fonts, colors, icons, positions, etc. I guess you are all getting used to not being able to root your phones anymore. Personally I'd be excited to play around with the notch and status bar on a rooted phone.
Obviously you don't have a car with bluetooth and get in and out of it a lot during the day?
The no battery % is Apples dumbest idea ever imo, although you can swipe right which gives you phone, Watch and AirPods battery % too if you have them.
Nope no BT in my car but I have 2 really great BT speakers in my house. I don't have BT turned on until I need it.
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oh I totally forgot the point of Bluetooth 4.0....maybe you could explain it since you obviously remember?
I have the same situation, my car has BT to connect to my phone and I'm in and out of it a lot so I have to leave Bluetooth on.
That makes total sense to me. But not everyone uses BT in their cars. In IOS if you turn BT off it will turn it back on for you anyway
Bluetooth 4.0 brought with it Bluetooth LE. You know, that thing that means the amount of power you’re losing by keeping Bluetooth on when not in use nowadays is negligible. Heck, it doesn’t even use “a lot of power” to do anything shy of transferring huge amounts of data, which you’re not going to be doing with songs.
That makes total sense to me. But not everyone uses BT in their cars. In IOS if you turn BT off it will turn it back on for you anyway
Actually that's only in control center, if you go to settings you can still fully turn it off. I've never found that Bluetooth takes up much battery anyhow, especially since BT 4.0.