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babyexercise

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M1 series would be great after like 5 years by getting much more mature with real users "debug" MacOS and apps, but not now.
 
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I would be a memory leak when it will be increasing the memory use of single tabs significantly, but it's only increasing when opening more tabs.

So if you have only 16 gb ram you have to live with slow downs. Do you appreciate this if you paid 2200 - 3000 Euros?
 

cap7ainclu7ch

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I would be a memory leak when it will be increasing the memory use of single tabs significantly, but it's only increasing when opening more tabs.

So if you have only 16 gb ram you have to live with slow downs. Do you appreciate this if you paid 2200 - 3000 Euros?
This will be the last time I respond to you before blocking both of you, but no I didn't experience any slowdown when I tried to torture test it and open over 50 tabs. I tried opening other apps and doing other tasks at the same time and had no lag or any problems with the system whatsoever. Haven't experienced any issues with app compatibility or software issues in general.

It's consistently blown away my old i9 MBP while using a fraction of the power. I don't see anyone else complaining about the speed of these machines other than you two. Even hardcore PC users have been commenting on how happy they are seeing Apple producing more "pro" machines with these new computers and I think the whole industry in moving in an exciting direction with Apple silicon providing some real competition (and Intel coming back into it with Alder). Hopefully Intel GPU's can also mix up the market a bit.

Happy trolling you two, hopefully you have better luck with your next endeavor as you've definitely convinced nobody here!
 
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Maybe your experience with other systems is even slower, so the m1 pro mac is fast for you. With 32 gb ram it's useable, but not as fast as my pc is.

I'm using one of the best pc systems (below new Alderlake, but only a few % below, because my cpu is overclocked to maximum all cores :D). And i know when i see a slow down or slower starting as my pc does. So maybe u are used to slow systems, so you have no idea what really fast is.

I know many Apple fans are excited how fast the ssd is. Pcie gen 4 nvme ssds are the same or even faster in some cases. Nothing special for pc users.

There is no need for soldering the ssd. It's only about getting more money and having a not swappable not, upgradeable ssd.

But "120 hz" with very slow response times are a complete novelty for Apple users, while pc monitors are going up to 360 hz with up to 1800 % faster response times.
 
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Queen6

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What a load of nonsense LOL. You can game on any notebook computer as long as you balance your expectations irrespective of price from my $600 Acer i3/4GB Switch 5 to a maxed out 16" MBP or more realistically a gaming PC designed for such purpose.

As for a few tabs in Safari slowing down the system IDK? What I do know is that my base 13" M1 MBP handles multiple tabs with ease and keeps pace pretty well with this 17" Asus with 32GB RAM for the most part. You purchase what you need for your uses; gaming you want Windows as macOS is fundamentally not a gaming platform.

Apple has clearly the HW performance, yet not the audience to attract AAA gaming. This may change in time, equally not in the near to midterm. I also think if Apple wants to get into AA/AAA gaming it will do on it's own terms as it clearly has the muscle in more ways than one, equally I suspect will be a specific device which is very Apple.

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babyexercise

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Maybe your experience with other systems is even slower, so the m1 pro mac is fast for you. With 32 gb ram it's useable, but not as fast as my pc is.

I'm using one of the best pc systems (below new Alderlake, but only a few % below, because my cpu is overclocked to maximum all cores :D). And i know when i see a slow down or slower starting as my pc does. So maybe u are used to slow systems, so you have no idea what really fast is.

I know many Apple fans are excited how fast the ssd is. Pcie gen 4 nvme ssds are the same or even faster in some cases. Nothing special for pc users.

There is no need for soldering the ssd. It's only about getting more money and having a not swappable not, upgradeable ssd.

But "120 hz" with very slow response times are a complete novelty for Apple users, while pc monitors are going up to 360 hz with up to 1800 % faster response times.

Your comments are very helpful, thx a lot.
 
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OneZweiThree

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Apple has clearly the HW performance, yet not the audience to attract AAA gaming. This may change in time, equally not in the near to midterm. I also think if Apple wants to get into AA/AAA gaming it will do on it's own terms as it clearly has the muscle in more ways than one, equally I suspect will be a specific device which is very Apple.

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That's the thing. It would probably be enough for Apple to pay a couple of game-studios to do a port for macOS (Warzone, Valorant, maybe a good RPG) to get the ball rolling.
Its clearly not Apples focus, though. Thankfully you can get an Xbox Series S for under 300 bucks, so its not really an issue tbh.
 
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I like to play with mouse and keyboard. Otherwise consoles are not delivering more than 30 - 60 fps constantly. 120 fps only for multiplayer titles with upscaling.
 
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OneZweiThree

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I like to play with mouse and keyboard. Otherwise consoles are not delivering more than 30 - 60 fps constantly. 120 fps only for multiplayer titles with upscaling.
That's cool and all but the percentage of people who care about 120fps, especially in single player games, is minuscule.
 
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Pezimak

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The video shows the practical gaming fps
I don’t know how can you accept that but I cannot. There is no way to call it Max when the old version gaming fps is 300% of it. I doubt M2 Max or even M3 Max can catch it up after like 3, 4years. You deserve much better this if you bought the Max.

Sadly, the more videos you see the more it seems Apple has made these new MacBook Pros for content creators only? If you don’t want to edit videos or photos then they seem utterly pointless? They can’t game that’s for sure.
 

DaveOZ

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Sadly, the more videos you see the more it seems Apple has made these new MacBook Pros for content creators only? If you don’t want to edit videos or photos then they seem utterly pointless? They can’t game that’s for sure.

I thought Apple made this very clear at the launch? If you want to play high end AAA games on a laptop then buy one with an NVIDA RTX DGPU in it. Plenty of them to chose from.
 
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Pezimak

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I thought Apple made this very clear at the launch? If you want to play high end AAA games on a laptop then buy one with an NVIDA RTX DGPU in it. Plenty of them to chose from.

I‘m fairly certain they did not say that during the launch event. They did not say our new computers cannot play games. Perhaps Apple shouldn’t compare their computers to RTX cards at its launch event. because their software certainly stops them being as compatible or capable.

Of course they can game. Easily. &hat said, if there is a decent number of optimized titles is a very different question

Yes the hardware may be capable but as I said it seems the new hardware is a nightmare to try and get games to run on. Metal only makes things worst.
 
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Romain_H

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Yes the hardware may be capable but as I said it seems the new hardware is a nightmare to try and get games to run on. Metal only makes things worst.
Have you tried it?

Metal is actually rather descent. Games run performant and its API isn‘t difficult to handle.
So no, Metal doesn‘t make things worse, and the hardware is ok.

Thing is that developers have to port their DX (or whatever) over - which they apparently are hesitant.
Apple doesn‘t provide the support we‘d like them to
 

Pezimak

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Have you tried it?

Metal is actually rather descent. Games run performant and its API isn‘t difficult to handle.
So no, Metal doesn‘t make things worse, and the hardware is ok.

Thing is that developers have to port their DX (or whatever) over - which they apparently are hesitant.
Apple doesn‘t provide the support we‘d like them to

Why would a games developer port their game to Metal and Arm Mac OS, spend all that money time and resources to do it, then bug fix it, then optimise it all for a tiny tiny tiny tiny market, which is part of a tiny single digit global market? It literally makes zero business sense to do it, you hardly got any native Intel Mac games as it was. So yes Metal does make it worst as does the hardware. Apple do not care about games and never have done. And I tried many games on Intel Macs. And their are plenty of Mac Arm gaming videos out there.
 

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It makes much more sense if apple will run Windows properly on their macs.
 

Romain_H

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Why would a games developer port their game to Metal and Arm Mac OS, spend all that money time and resources to do it, then bug fix it, then optimise it all for a tiny tiny tiny tiny market, which is part of a tiny single digit global market? It literally makes zero business sense to do it, you hardly got any native Intel Mac games as it was. So yes Metal does make it worst as does the hardware. Apple do not care about games and never have done. And I tried many games on Intel Macs. And their are plenty of Mac Arm gaming videos out there.
True. But a different issue
 

Black Magic

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It is Mac hardware does not official support Windows as primary OS.
Windows OS is designed to run on intel. Getting a ARM Windows OS puts you right back in the same boat of very few limited apps that support it.

Intel x86 platform is dying. Now all the big software giants are developing ARM chips, so I give x86 10 years.
 

Berries-A-Million

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Maybe your experience with other systems is even slower, so the m1 pro mac is fast for you. With 32 gb ram it's useable, but not as fast as my pc is.

I'm using one of the best pc systems (below new Alderlake, but only a few % below, because my cpu is overclocked to maximum all cores :D). And i know when i see a slow down or slower starting as my pc does. So maybe u are used to slow systems, so you have no idea what really fast is.

I know many Apple fans are excited how fast the ssd is. Pcie gen 4 nvme ssds are the same or even faster in some cases. Nothing special for pc users.

There is no need for soldering the ssd. It's only about getting more money and having a not swappable not, upgradeable ssd.

But "120 hz" with very slow response times are a complete novelty for Apple users, while pc monitors are going up to 360 hz with up to 1800 % faster response times.

Show us you know nothing about computers......oh that's right, you just did.
 
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A very competent statement :D. Please explain why im knowing nothing about computers please :).
 
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