The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS

[ASX]

For this price i would care, when the machine can only handle some native m1 apps well. I mean if this m1 is not only a mobile gimmick as for me .

 

[throAU]

For this price i would care, when the machine can only handle some native m1 apps well. I mean if this m1 is not only a mobile gimmick as for me .

The display is the same quality as Apple's ProDisplay XDR. That's a $6000 display. This alone for me was worth the bump in cost vs. a 13" MacBook Air.

The battery life is like 3-5x any pc laptop with similar performance.
You don't have to run windows or linux on it... many other features.

If you want a proper comparison to your 3090 based PC wait until next year when we're seeing the iMac and Mac Pro iterations of this hardware that AREN'T confined to thin and light notebook thermal/power constraints. Multiply the MacBook Pro numbers by 4, and it will still do that in less total system power/heat than your 3090 alone - whilst including RAM, CPU, GPU, etc.

 

[ASX]

The display is not the same. It's another display . And the ProDisplay XDR costs 6000 Dollars but is it not worth it. Only 576 dimming zones on 32 inch + fans and only thunderbolt connectors . Apple overpriced.

Who cares about battery life @ low performance usage?

If you fully utilizing the macbook pro its empty in around 1.5 hours. With hiigh brightness hdr on even less .

 

[throAU]

Who cares about battery life @ low performance usage?

Uh... go read some of the reviews of battery life under actual video editing workload.

People with jobs.

What's the battery life on your 3090?



edit:
oh... joined October 31 2021. just here to troll.

 

[ASX]

If you use this laptop as work station, wherefor this macbook pro is, the battery life is pretty irrelevant. You cant use the battery a whole working day. M1 Max 16" has after an hour 41 % and M1 Pro 16" 73 % and 14" 58 % battery.

You would be absolutely right about the mobility, if this macbooks could be used for their itended purposes 8+ h without recharging.

Of course im a troll for you, i'm criticizing the "holy" macbooks.

 

[arche3]

Most people making money using computers don't care about specs.

I just want the fastest results for the job. In my case I needed to stay in the mac eco system. I am sure a fully specd pc build for film and video is better than my 7.1 on paper. But I have too many other things tied to the mac in the edit suit. As far as a laptop is concerned I don't think there is anything right now better for film and video than the m1max w 32gpu.

You are basically saying a Mars rover is much better at traversing the landscape of Mars than a Toyota prius while nobody even cares about how a prius would perform on Mars.

 

[ASX]

@throAU

At this high price point it's irrelevant which they are pulling from the wall.
The mobility would be a benefit, if the battery life would be much higher under load.

The 3090 costs 1560 Euros at FE drops . They are dropping every month.

The mentioned sources "reviewed" the mbp's as salesmen. No real critics. I have seen mostly "reviews"which are hyping the mbp's. Overview this forum and you will notice that this reviews are sparing out intentionally criticsm.

@arche3

I never denied a mbp is better for native m1 apps. But overall the user experience for consumers (users who are only using this device) is awful .

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I’m ok with eventually getting an Air. Unlike the horribly screwed over Intel version, M1 looks that dang good on it.

The M1 Air is by far their best deal. But when I had one, I was surprised at how just okay everything was. It didn't seem faster than my SP7 (which I use now) in daily life. NOT benchmarks. That's exactly what I am getting at. Both OSes are fine if all you need is basic computing power (and that is like 99% of people). It took a long time to open anything the first time. In short, it was definitely faster than the intel macs, but the intel macs were really slow.

The part that sucks on the mac side is how finicky everything has become on the mac side. MX Master 3 mouse? Works fine on windows. Mac? Not so much. Monitor? Better check your RGB on that bad boy and get 4k or even 5k cause its going to look like crap if you don't.

Anyway, I have used both on and off for 20 years, and the mac software is really letting down the hardware in my opinion. Thus, benchmarks aside, Windows can definitely keep up--even when it has the slower set of processors.

 

[babyexercise]

No, you're a troll because you have 300+ posts here in ~10 days of membership, almost exclusively taking a dump on the newly released MacBook Pros or Apple in general - which have otherwise been met with universal acclaim from the media and panicked marketing failures from intel. Intel who's CEO has recently publicly stated they need to make better than Apple Silicon in future (confirming they lost apple due to failure to do this) to try win apple back: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-ceo-my-job-is-to-win-apple-back-205012699.html


You're a troll because you're comparing desktop hardware that recommends a 800+ watt PSU and draws over 500-600 watts in total from the wall to a machine that runs on battery off a 97 watt wall charger.

You're a troll because you refuse to acknowledge the use case for these machines and claim they're expensive for what they are for gaming - which isn't their intended purpose, yet will not acknowledge that for their intended purpose, they annihilate your 600 watt machine who's GPU alone costs more than an entire entry level 14" MacBook Pro at today's prices. Never mind the rest of the PC, the OS license, etc.

And you're a troll because you're doing all of this with no citations from reputable (or any) sources for any of your claims, despite flying in the face of the vast majority of media who have reviewed these devices, including PC centric media such as LTT, etc.


So who's paying you? Or do you really have nothing better to do for the past fortnight?

He is not trolling, I am an IT person and I can tell he knows laptop and desktop more than anyone over here. He is the only PRO here.

 

[Saturnine]

He is not trolling, I am an IT person and I can tell he knows laptop and desktop more than anyone over here. He is the only PRO here.

And how would you know that, exactly?

How would you know that there aren't multiple Computer Science masters graduates, Chief Technical Officers, owners of multi-national IT firms, development gurus or professional video production engineers posting right in this very thread? Because there are... I can assure you of that.

 

[babyexercise]

And how would you know that, exactly?

How would you know that there aren't multiple Computer Science masters graduates, Chief Technical Officers, owners of multi-national IT firms, development gurus or professional video production engineers posting right in this very thread? Because there are... I can assure you of that.

Easy to tell if someone really knows about laptop desktop or not.

 

[DB294]

@throAU

At this high price point it's irrelevant which they are pulling from the wall.

Well considering that I want a laptop to be portable, I'm perfectly happy to not need to drag a 300 watt gaming laptop power brick around

 

[greenmeanie]

I never bought a MAC for Gaming.

 

[DB294]

I never bought a MAC for Gaming.

I don't really understand the point of this thread to be honest. These machines are not for games. Apple did not mention games once in the keynote introducing them. They don't use games in the marketing materials. If your primary use case is gaming, buy something else. It doesn't seem hard.

 

[Crow T Robot]

2017 pro: docker and civ6 together always results in heat freeze death within 2-3 minutes. they are unable to run together. Civ6 on its own is a fan/heat nightmare with dismal performance, barely playable. Merely switching from civ6 to safari would often result in a full system freeze, and at a minimum would take 30-60 seconds to switch.
2021 max: effortlessly runs docker and civ6 together, both at nearly 10X the performance (rspec in docker literally takes 10% of the time to run) with zero fan or heat. Things like swapping desktops or apps are instant and effortless. Civ6 runs flawlessly with docker, even with antialiasing on etc.

 

[ASX]

@eltoslightfoot

The MX 3 Master works not fine. Also on windows. The mouse wheel has no smooth scrolling. Its jumping very oftenly. The result of using an electro magnetic mouse wheel mechanism.

@Saturnine

Because they dont know a lot about different hardware. They are only focused on their Apple devices. They are blind for other tech. Good for apple but bad for their pockets and technical horizon .

 

[960design]

The video shows the practical gaming fps

I don’t know how can you accept that but I cannot. There is no way to call it Max when the old version gaming fps is 300% of it. I doubt M2 Max or even M3 Max can catch it up after like 3, 4years. You deserve much better this if you bought the Max.

Thanks!
M1 is much better at gaming and real world work scenarios than the Intel.

1. Battery life will be twice as long
2. Over 60FPS
3. Quiet
4. SSDs about twice as fast

 

[ASX]

Ssd twice as fast? Did you ever used pcie gen 4 ssd's? They have the same speed.
Over 60 fps is nothing for rdna2 or ampere gpu's. M1 Pro/Max is not smooth. They have a lot stuttering and flickering when using Rosetta 2. And the fps are not 60+ fps when using native resolution in newer more graphics demanding games. Only at 1080p with bad downscaling.
Quiet only if the macbook is in idle.
Battery life is better, but far away from making it mobile for hours under full load.

You are an perfect example how easy Apple tricks strict Apple users, because they have no interest for other hardware beside the Apple ecosystem .

 

[DB294]

This whole "truth to power" approach you are taking in this threads and others is utterly pointless. The things you describe as what you want out of a laptop are what works for you. What you want out of a laptop and what others want out of a laptop are not the same. What you are describing as "ideal" is not something that matters to me, which is why multiple different devices exist for multiple different use cases. Your 300+ posts on what you think are "right" or "objective" are simply not relevant to everybody, no matter what what your ego tells you.

The macbook pro is not all things to all people. Neither are gaming laptops. If one device existed that solved every single laptop use case, whomever invents it will be a lot richer than you or I will ever be.

 

[Saturnine]

Easy to tell if someone really knows about laptop desktop or not.

I can tell he knows laptop and desktop more than anyone over here. He is the only PRO here.

Ah the reductive argument trick. Not really the part of your post I as querying...

 

[archi penko]

These Maxtech guys are not legit laptop reviewers, they are more or less benchmark-heads that dont really understand the benches they are running or the nuiance that go into analyzing them. Their "review" generally consists of rifling through dozens of benchmarks with almost zero analysis that good outlets like anandtech or arstechnica go through. And they take into no consideration real world usage scenarios, and gives no thought on usage away from an office desk.

YAS. ? finally, someone who sees it too

 

[DB294]

YAS. ? finally, someone who sees it too

Their 16 vs 32GB "test" was complete nonsense.

 

[Saturnine]

These Maxtech guys are not legit laptop reviewers, they are more or less benchmark-heads that dont really understand the benches they are running or the nuiance that go into analyzing them. Their "review" generally consists of rifling through dozens of benchmarks with almost zero analysis that good outlets like anandtech or arstechnica go through. And they take into no consideration real world usage scenarios, and gives no thought on usage away from an office desk.

What's more, apart from their sickeningly saccharine delivery style, their confirmation biases are unbelievable. I've watched a few of their videos and their love for the 16" Macbook Pro with M1 Pro is blindingly obvious. Even where other models in the range have clear advantages (e.g. 14" has portability, 16" Max has speed for some use cases) they, time and time again, frame the results in such a way that the 16" Pro 'wins.'

I'm not saying that the 16" Pro isn't a great machine, or a great compromise - it is. But let the user decide what's 'best' based on their own use case.

For example, telling your audience that the M1 Pro is "better" than the M1 Max because it retained 35% battery while the Max dropped to 9% in the same period is absolutely biased because the M1 Max did twice the amount of "work" in during the test period. A fact completely ignored during their summation. If their two machines had been given the same workload, it's highly likely their battery levels would have remained similar.

Take two cars. One has a bigger engine. You set them both off on a 10-mile road at their top speeds. The car with the bigger engine finishes in 5 minutes. The other takes 10 minutes. MaxTech would complain that the one that the car with the bigger engine used more gas, ignoring the fact it got there in half the time.

I highly suspect one or more of the presenters owns an M1 Pro and is either consciously or unconsciously allowing their bias to bleed into their conclusions.

Edit: Also, they have repeatedly said that the M1 Max 'throttles' simply because it gets relatively hot, despite having no actual evidence that the clock speed actually drops. Maybe it does throttle, maybe it doesn't. But don't assert something you have no evidence of. These guys seem to know how to run benchmarks but have no clue about how to interpret the results.

 

[MysticCow]

I don't really understand the point of this thread to be honest. These machines are not for games. Apple did not mention games once in the keynote introducing them. They don't use games in the marketing materials. If your primary use case is gaming, buy something else. It doesn't seem hard.

Someone wanted to cry a river about how "terrible" the M1's performance is with a YouTube video, a bunch came in with contradictory data to someone's YouTube video, and now everyone is butt hurt.

Anyway, I have used both on and off for 20 years, and the mac software is really letting down the hardware in my opinion. Thus, benchmarks aside, Windows can definitely keep up--even when it has the slower set of processors.

Windows coding is admittedly MUCH MUCH MUCH easier than it is under XCode, almost to the point of being "paint by numbers."

 

[eltoslightfoot]

@eltoslightfoot

The MX 3 Master works not fine. Also on windows. The mouse wheel has no smooth scrolling. Its jumping very oftenly. The result of using an electro magnetic mouse wheel mechanism.

@Saturnine

Because they dont know a lot about different hardware. They are only focused on their Apple devices. They are blind for other tech. Good for apple but bad for their pockets and technical horizon .

Both my MX Master 3 and Master 2 work fantastic on windows. They work so well I just plain forget about them. Have you tried updating the firmware? On my M1 Macbook Air, it couldn't even stay connected consistently.