I can't play war zone under Mac os. So why should I care if max 16 can get high fps? Lame thread.
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The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS
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If you want to game go and play somewhere else. These machines are not meant for gaming so all you say about gaming is totally irrelevant! Bye bye!!
Why the rudeness? While the MBP is not a dedicated gaming machine, its certainly a powerful computer that should be more than capable.
Its a (universal) computer, a pretty powerful one. Its therefore able to do anything you want, including gaming
I literally stopped playing WoW only because it was the only PC/Mac game I play now. I couldn't justify it anymore, as keeping a system running just to play WoW (on Win 10, as Apple screwed the pooch when it came to Mac gaming) just wasn't cutting it. An XBox works for me just fine, as even Star Trek Online has an XBox port.
Do I still use that system? YES. Any system in my signature, save for my poor G5 that needs reseated and the thermal CD, is still in some kind of active use.
The G3 iMacs are MS Office and iWork stations and are surprisingly robust for that if you use Office 2004 with the docx converter kit. The G4 handles retro games. The 2011 mini runs Windows 10 almost exclusively and will only boot into 10.13 if I'd rather edit a video in iMovie than OpenShot or need to use one piece of software that makes effective use of the old Mac Runtime for Java framework.
Curious Post Script--HEY ACTIVISION/BLIZZARD: I WILL PAY YOU A $15/MONTH SUB IF YOU DECIDE TO FOLLOW STO'S LEAD AND MAKE AN XBOX PORT.
Do you mean the craptacular one from the mid-2000's that I won't touch with a 10-foot pole? The ones with an underpowered processor and Intel Integrated Crap Graphics?
Because those 2009 and 2010 MacBooks are still decent choices for computer needs, especially if you partition and install 10.13 on one and some good flavor of Linux on the other.
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Apple needs to dip into their $3T (oh sorry, maybe only a few hundred $B cash on hand?) and work with a slew of game makers and put this to rest. I don't see why they can't make the new MBPs run modern games Very well. Their control of hardware + software should mean that future models, mobile and otherwise, should be able to put up serious FPS in games, if they'll just make an effort.
And WHY SHOULD they make an effort? The same reason they have (in the past!) made large donations of Macs to education. Because kids will grow up, and you want them on Macs early on so they will "more likely" be on Macs when they start or join businesses as professionals. It is an investment which will pay for itself handily.
Kids with (current) MacBookPros?
Doesn't seem to be that large of a demographic.
Now pushing better games into Arcade and have them on iPhones (which many kids will actually have) iPads and the AppleTV in the living room would seem somewhat plausible.
Handing out money to game developers to develop games for the Mac makes less sense than simply setting it on fire. There is zero return and zero upside for Apple to do this. They simply don’t sell enough Macs to make it worth the expense. iOS is a much better place to spend gaming dollars, period.
Apple just needs to sit down with game makers. Invite them to lunch sometime. Then, after lunch, look at all of them and have each one of them answer, “What do you want Apple to do to make Mac game coding work better for you?”
I bet they’ll be surprised at the results.
The results will be that Apple will end up telling them to learn Metal when they want Apple to support OpenGL/Vulkan/whatever again and for Apple to support AMD and NVIDIA GPUs or for Apple to go back to using Intel CPUs and Apple says nope.
There is no market there for game developers to aspire to compared to the size of the Windows market. People need to give up on this tilting at windmills.
I am sorry but the older gen MBP with AMD cards are certainly not faster than the new M1 Max with 24 Core GPU not even 32!
The cpu itself is amazing. The Cpu with 8 power/2 efficiency cores on 5nm ipc work really well giving very good single core performance and amazing multicore performance while just sipping electricity and generating very little waste heat and NO thermal throttling. I don't know of any Intel CPU at any price that can do this in the mobile space and then there is battery life. Also the fact that performance is EXACTLY the same on battery as off is huge.
The Gpu is pretty good for an integrated card it is amazing! The Apple M1 Max integrated Gpu can pull ram from the "pool" of ram so if you have 64gb the gpu itself can use 40gb or more just for the gpu and the AMD cards had what like 4 or 6gb and an ipc of what like 14nm vs 5nm?? The gpu is no joke and then the video encoding and decoding accelerators are also amazing. Nothing is truly optimized for M1 as the Intel transition is not complete and it will take some time for developers to catch up. However, Intel on Macs are dead so better software optimization is pretty much guaranteed across the board over time!
Now does the integrated card match a 3080 for gaming?? Of course not but it can match it in certain workloads. That an integrated gpu or iGpu could even get close to a mobile 3080 is pretty amazing in itself.
So the video just doesn't square with real world verifiable tests and my personal use and benchmarks.
I want AMD and Intel to succeed though. It has been really hard to see and experience Intel fall so far behind. Once they hit 5nm or at least 7nm they will be better positioned. 10nm for them is still a disaster in terms of thermals and battery. However, Intel has decent performance with a pretty big ipc disadvantage and they have a lot of room for improvement while Apple is at 5nm and you have maybe two big jumps 3nm and maybe if possible 1nm and then where do you go?? So if Intel can get back on their tick tock schedule for real then we might get somewhere but this gen 4 of 10nm. Ice Lake was 2nd gen, Tiger Lake 3rd gen and Alder Lake 4th gen 10nm? They should be on 5nm now! If Intel was on 5nm then they would be a LOT more competitive but that is not where we are.
We have Scalderlake with a crazy big little on x86 on a laptop with Windows handling the scheduling?? The reason they have smaller cores is not efficiency but heat. They are trying to jam as many cores on the Soc as they can and because they are still on 10nm++ they have a lot of thermal constraints and to fit more cores and reduce heat they have big little. So while Alderlake which is still not available in any laptop last time I checked to buy now will have serious performance gains they come at a cost and add in the heat of dGPU like 3080 and you are going to need liquid cooling and fans blasting but for a 2 minute benchmark they will perform very well!!
The cpu itself is amazing. The Cpu with 8 power/2 efficiency cores on 5nm ipc work really well giving very good single core performance and amazing multicore performance while just sipping electricity and generating very little waste heat and NO thermal throttling. I don't know of any Intel CPU at any price that can do this in the mobile space and then there is battery life. Also the fact that performance is EXACTLY the same on battery as off is huge.
The Gpu is pretty good for an integrated card it is amazing! The Apple M1 Max integrated Gpu can pull ram from the "pool" of ram so if you have 64gb the gpu itself can use 40gb or more just for the gpu and the AMD cards had what like 4 or 6gb and an ipc of what like 14nm vs 5nm?? The gpu is no joke and then the video encoding and decoding accelerators are also amazing. Nothing is truly optimized for M1 as the Intel transition is not complete and it will take some time for developers to catch up. However, Intel on Macs are dead so better software optimization is pretty much guaranteed across the board over time!
Now does the integrated card match a 3080 for gaming?? Of course not but it can match it in certain workloads. That an integrated gpu or iGpu could even get close to a mobile 3080 is pretty amazing in itself.
So the video just doesn't square with real world verifiable tests and my personal use and benchmarks.
I want AMD and Intel to succeed though. It has been really hard to see and experience Intel fall so far behind. Once they hit 5nm or at least 7nm they will be better positioned. 10nm for them is still a disaster in terms of thermals and battery. However, Intel has decent performance with a pretty big ipc disadvantage and they have a lot of room for improvement while Apple is at 5nm and you have maybe two big jumps 3nm and maybe if possible 1nm and then where do you go?? So if Intel can get back on their tick tock schedule for real then we might get somewhere but this gen 4 of 10nm. Ice Lake was 2nd gen, Tiger Lake 3rd gen and Alder Lake 4th gen 10nm? They should be on 5nm now! If Intel was on 5nm then they would be a LOT more competitive but that is not where we are.
We have Scalderlake with a crazy big little on x86 on a laptop with Windows handling the scheduling?? The reason they have smaller cores is not efficiency but heat. They are trying to jam as many cores on the Soc as they can and because they are still on 10nm++ they have a lot of thermal constraints and to fit more cores and reduce heat they have big little. So while Alderlake which is still not available in any laptop last time I checked to buy now will have serious performance gains they come at a cost and add in the heat of dGPU like 3080 and you are going to need liquid cooling and fans blasting but for a 2 minute benchmark they will perform very well!!
Game developers would not spend so much money to make M1 version if there would not be good sales number.
M1 good performance only happens in benchmark or few apps. Most of the app have not rewrite for M1, then the app just runs with much slower speed and have all kind of problems like crash.
Go back and read for comprehension. I didn’t say “Apple needs to do a big event to sell Metal.”
What I said was Apple needs to get them all together, basically lock the door after, and ask, “What the **** do you want us to do to help you? Give us your suggestions.”
I'm getting stable 120FPS on M1 Pro you just have to enable "Legacy OpenGL". Stop spreading nonsense if you dont understand how things work.
M1 is a mix of ARM and PPC - but I hate M1 for other reasons.