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MP 7,1 The Pro Display XDR buyers thread
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The quirk here with the Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 maybe isn't so wierd if this is a using an ice Lake mobile CPU/GPU. That CPU has Thunderbolt integrated. There no other path out from the iGPU other than Thunderbolt. Microsoft didn't certify and validate the Thunderbolt v3 system there, but it is really there.
Looking at the specs at Microsoft's site.
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Quad-core 10th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-1035G7 Processor
Quad-core 10th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-1065G7 Processor
..."
As long as not using the AMD version those are both "Ice lake" varinats of Gen 10 ( goofy Intel has both 14nm and 10nm "Gen 10" but the G7 is the 10nm/"Ice Lake" ones). So thunderbolt is there.
Microsoft may be "burying" the Thunderbolt because the AMD versions of the same laptop don't have it. ( or perhaps were hemming and hawing on maybe also using the 14nm Gen 10 Intel variants that don't at one point also. )
Confirmation that the XDR can work at 6K with DisplayPort 1.4 only (no USB) at #8 using the Moshi USB-C to DisplayPort bi-directional cable. The report says 8bpc but I don't know if it's RGB or 4:2:2.
I don't have any Apple Pro Display XDR EDIDs that show the display supports anything other than RGB 4:4:4.
I don't have any Apple Pro Display XDR EDIDs that show the display supports anything other than RGB 4:4:4.
To help with figuring out what works, you can use this page with a lot of information and a calculator at the bottom: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/729232-guide-to-display-cables-adapters-v2/
Displayport 1.3-1.4 supports: 32.40 Gbit/s
8 bit at XDR resolution requires 30.56Gbit/s (approx)
6016 × 3384 (16∶9 ratio)
8 bpc (24 bit/px) RGB color
Uncompressed
CVT-R2 timing format
At refresh rate:
10 bit at XDR resolution requires 38.20Gbit/s (approx)
6016 × 3384 (16∶9 ratio) at 60 Hz
10 bpc (30 bit/px) RGB color
Uncompressed
CVT-R2 timing format
At refresh rate:
All sorts of invaluable information such as Titan ridge max bandwidth vs Alpine Ridge. You can see why the iMac Pro can't quite push the XDR display's 38.20Gbit/s, but why the Titan Ridge can.
Displayport 1.3-1.4 supports: 32.40 Gbit/s
8 bit at XDR resolution requires 30.56Gbit/s (approx)
6016 × 3384 (16∶9 ratio)
8 bpc (24 bit/px) RGB color
Uncompressed
CVT-R2 timing format
At refresh rate:
| DisplayPort 1.3–1.4 | 51.1 Hz |
| Thunderbolt 3 (Titan Ridge) | 77.8 Hz |
| Thunderbolt 3 (Alpine Ridge) | 67.6 Hz |
6016 × 3384 (16∶9 ratio) at 60 Hz
10 bpc (30 bit/px) RGB color
Uncompressed
CVT-R2 timing format
At refresh rate:
| DisplayPort 1.3–1.4 | 41.0 Hz |
| Thunderbolt 3 (Titan Ridge) | 62.7 Hz |
| Thunderbolt 3 (Alpine Ridge) | 54.4 Hz |
All sorts of invaluable information such as Titan ridge max bandwidth vs Alpine Ridge. You can see why the iMac Pro can't quite push the XDR display's 38.20Gbit/s, but why the Titan Ridge can.
| Thunderbolt 3 Video Mode | Alpine Ridge 4-Lane Mode | Alpine Ridge 8-Lane Mode | Titan Ridge 4-Lane Mode | Titan Ridge 8-Lane Mode |
| Maximum Data Rate | 17.28 Gbit/s | 34.56 Gbit/s | 25.92 Gbit/s | 40.00 Gbit/s |
I don't think anyone's tried using a lower refresh rate to reduce bandwidth for the XDR yet.
The various refresh rates supported by the XDR display actually all use the same pixel clock - they just increase the vertical blanking for lower refresh rates. This has the benefit of drawing each frame as quickly as possible. Each frame is drawn at the same speed no matter the refresh rate. A lower refresh rate keeps the frame on screen longer.
I don't think I've seen any other display do that. They normally just use a timing standard (e.g. CVT-RB2) where lower refresh rate means lower pixel clock which allows lower bandwidth connections to display the same resolution.
The various refresh rates supported by the XDR display actually all use the same pixel clock - they just increase the vertical blanking for lower refresh rates. This has the benefit of drawing each frame as quickly as possible. Each frame is drawn at the same speed no matter the refresh rate. A lower refresh rate keeps the frame on screen longer.
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6016x3384@60.000Hz 210.960kHz 1286.01MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(118 8 6 -) 16:9 preferred
6016x3384@59.940Hz 210.928kHz 1285.82MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(121 8 6 -) 16:9
6016x3384@50.000Hz 210.950kHz 1285.95MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(821 8 6 -) 16:9
6016x3384@48.000Hz 210.960kHz 1286.01MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(997 8 6 -) 16:9
6016x3384@47.952Hz 210.940kHz 1285.89MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(1001 8 6 -) 16:9
5120x2880@60.000Hz 179.579kHz 933.81MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(99 8 6 -) 16:9
5120x2880@59.940Hz 179.519kHz 933.50MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(101 8 6 -) 16:9
5120x2880@50.000Hz 179.550kHz 933.66MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(697 8 6 -) 16:9
5120x2880@48.000Hz 179.567kHz 933.75MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(847 8 6 -) 16:9
5120x2880@47.952Hz 179.531kHz 933.56MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(850 8 6 -) 16:9
3840x2160@60.000Hz 134.699kHz 528.02MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(71 8 6 -) 16:9
3840x2160@60.000Hz 134.699kHz 528.02MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(7 8 70 -)
3840x2160@59.939Hz 134.684kHz 527.96MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(9 8 70 -)
3840x2160@50.000Hz 134.699kHz 528.02MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(8 8 518 -)
3840x2160@47.999Hz 134.686kHz 527.97MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(56 8 582 -)
3840x2160@47.952Hz 134.696kHz 528.01MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(59 8 582 -)
2560x1440@59.999Hz 89.818kHz 237.12MHz h(8 32 40 +) v(43 8 6 -)I don't think I've seen any other display do that. They normally just use a timing standard (e.g. CVT-RB2) where lower refresh rate means lower pixel clock which allows lower bandwidth connections to display the same resolution.
yes to february 18th BUT they just charged my card for the monitor and stand and said "it might be coming a lot sooner" fingers crossed.
Just posting this to cringe over the usb 2.0 speed he will get on that Red MiniMag reader if he doesn’t switch to a W5700X with DSC.
I’m in the delivery window one week before you, still no charge here but my stands were charged yesterday and moved to preparing to ship
That said, they didn’t charge me for my mac pro until 3 days after I received it
Ditto - stand and VESA mount have just shipped (weeks ahead of schedule), but no change to monitor.
I thought for a minute that all this trash talk about the XDR was having an effect!
Maybe we could start another six threads about how it blooms worse than a psychedelic mushroom and cause everyone ahead of us to cancel their orders in disgust. I'll get my camera ready for some 30 second exposures.
Mine shipped today. I’m a UK customer. Both stand and monitor are shipping from Netherlands. Interestingly my estimated delivery date was initially 14th Feb. So I’m getting it quite early ?... I haven’t ordered anything to use it with yet. Can’t decide between Mac Pro and MBP 16”.
I Bought both to go!!! Debated in my head like a mad man for the last 4 weeks!!!! Bought the MacBook Pro 16 a few days ago and wow its stunning and very very quick! got the 2.4 i9, 64gig, 8m 5500m, 2TB ssd. Also ordered the Mac Pro 16c,96gb, Vega 32, and 4 TB.. Oh and also the Nano XDR! I am a portrait photographer and probably would be very very happy with just the MCB 16 and Nano but, just don't want wires coming from the laptop! its plain ugly! Plus I love the silver and black keyboard of the Mac Pro! Getting the Mac Pro next Thursday and Nano from Apple Uk hopefully 13-19 Feb apparently.
As an update.
I wrote that the monitor was shipping from Netherlands. Whilst this is true it first needs to get there from China. Apple only shares the tracking number for the last portion of the journey, Netherlands -> UK. So tracking number doesn’t report much until it gets there.
Wonder how long it takes to get to Europe... waited three days so far.
- vodouman
It is overkill, but extremely similar to those using $45K reference monitors for context that is going out over the various cordcutter live tv streaming services. Or just general broadcast TV for vast majority of the world's population right now watching on non-bleeding edge TV sets.
It is basically the same argument of doing the original capture far and away above the end point distribution mode so can have max flexibility in editing without degradation and archival "future proofing" (if want to later go back and redo the distribution prep post processing with the majority of the end market upgrades) .
[ buying the Red Phone was probably a bigger boondoggle. ]
It is a bit puzzling why he cut short the other possible options. For instance, if you just simply get one of the TBv3 docks (e.g., Cal Digit TB3 Plus ) and a 2m TB cable and just putting that on the desk (plugged into the top port would max the range for moving desk surface. ).
One, he would not need to stuff as much stuff behind the monitor docking station(s). The dock would be lower to the desk surface and therefore closer to the Mac Pro (dock horizontal on surface and ports are about as close as possible on that side of desk surface). Also certainly could migrate the top end bandwidth "sneaker net" storage drive adapter duties to it. ( even more throughput upside than a W5700X may enable. ). [ For example the TB3 Plus has a SD card reader so done. And could leave the Apple one if the travel set up with a MBP. ] The XDR is good for pedestrian mouse and keyboard stuff. Not sure how the 4K camera works at USB 2.0 speeds ( that could be a good match to the W5700X on that display docking station. )
His solution space seems a bit too anchored to the literal desktop solutions of the Mac Pro 2013 and iMac Pro 2017. and also no cables visible on the desktop ( if plug in a Red MiniMag reader to a TB dock then can see the cable. ). Very committed to dropping all the significant able lengths off the back of the desk surface ( so thereby having front facing, easy access ports is lowered in priority. )
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Maybe we could start another six threads about how it blooms worse than a psychedelic mushroom and cause everyone ahead of us to cancel their orders in disgust. I'll get my camera ready for some 30 second exposures.
There is a pretty good chance that Apple has been on a "under promise and over deliver" strategy on the XDR , VESA, and stands. If they don't want to be stuck with inventory can't sell right away they pad out the deliver dates to mask the initial manufacturing targets for the different components. If they get too few orders than can 'dial back' the factory and sell of before inventory gets 'too deep'. If they are behind demand they already gave themselves more time to catch up ( can possibly tweak the factory to 'speed up' ). The ultimate "just in time" manufacturing is don't even start making it until the orders come in.
Artificial demand suppression probably really won't change the dates much. I suspect this is more of one those increasing rare moments when Apple wasn't arrogant and was being very conservative about the accuracy of their demand estimates.
if on target they can easily make a set of folks happy by delivering early. ( "Scotty your are miracle worker! "). If they were off then folks are not even more agitated with waiting longer since Apple already set a baseline for a "longer wait" expectation.
The VESA adapter and the stands having exactly the same delivery estimates windows seems more than a bit artificial. The demands aren't going to match up and very unlikely Apple was going to be able to almost 100% accurate prediction in advance before every selling either one before.
I’m curious if you compared the nano and regular xdr in person and if you could describe the difference?
There have been posts saying that the regular screen looks better (but is perhaps just glossier and not as ‘accurate’ in doing so)
Totally correct on all counts.
Back in December, I was given a mid-February delivery date for XDR + Stand + VESA mount.
Today, the Stand and VESA mount were delivered, after having moved to preparing/shipped about 3 days ago (Shanghai to Sydney).
Tonight, the XDR has just moved to preparing and will probably have shipped next time I look.
So it should arrive in a few days, which is about a month ahead of the original under promised date.
"Cookie, you're a miracle worker!"
There weren't any available to view when I got mine so I can't compare. I'm happy with my nano, but if you are OK with the current non-matte screens like the LG Ultrafine and the iMacs then I'd guess you'll be happy with the regular XDR.
Anyone else with an XDR plus other non-XDR screens having trouble looking at their non-XDR’s? I so desperately want to change all my monitors out for XDR’s! It’s a real problem...