Great review. Similar use cases here. Do you think you’ll keep it? Would you prefer the iMac display if it were bigger?
Very surprising to hear about lower brightness
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Very surprising to hear about lower brightness
I will keep it, but if I had a viable alternative like a bigger iMac/LG display with the same DPI I would prefer that until we can get good quality self emissive pixels (OLED or MicroLED).
Very interesting. Thank you for the tests.
How noticeable is that blooming to the naked eye, away from the camera?
Thanks for the great review. Is there really no chance to use higher brightness in day to day use (outside HDR content)?? Changing the Profile? If this is the case, it is really frustrating. I was really looking forward to use higher brightness, as I like to work in a bright environment and the iMac 500nits still struggle to be bright enough!
Hopefully, there will be some kind of work around at some point soon.
That’s annoying that the XDR display isn’t as good for your use case.
I’ve got one on order but I’m going to start considering non-retina curved monitors or the 5k LG display as well now.
Thank you for all the great info. You said you can run one XDR and 5 ACDs....are there enough ports for this or what video cards would work best? Thanks again!
We were talking about the GPU of the MacPro6,1. If the XDR only uses one DisplayPort 1.2 connection (which means 4K max), then that leaves 5 DisplayPort outputs for 5 more displays. One display per Thunderbolt 2 port, or two 2560x1600 displays per Thunderbolt port and Thunderbolt bus, or one 5K display per Thunderbolt bus using two Thunderbolt ports (dual cable 5K display).
OK, that makes total sense. Which leads me to that last question...if I was to purchase a new Mac Pro, which card/cards would I need to be able to run a XDR and 4 ACDs? My guess is just ones with enough ports to make it happen. Thanks again!!!
It's much less noticeable. The bloom is about the same as black on the iMac Pro display. In video footage it's much less noticeable as well. Really the most annoying is in UI with squares.
Also I think that below 25% it seems that the backlight doesn't go any lower (it seems to do brightness with LCD pixels), so at minimum brightness it's really noticeable. Just confirmed comparing to the iMac display with both at minimum brightness and there the iMac contrast ratio is a lot better while being the same at 25%.
A P3 color space is necessary to enhance text characters how? Ditto with the 1600 peak brightness.
Dialed back to SDR ( and 500 nits ) it would be horribly bad somehow? It is just text with some bold and probably some mild color coding of keywords. Need P3 color space to differential the color codes?
Long term reading a screen blasting out at 1600 nits has a decent chance of not being all that good for your eyes either. Lots of white that bright it not very natural.
I was worried about this FALD issue showing up, and it seems it has.
I have an LG "HDR" 4k thunderbolt-equipped display with, as far as I can tell, precisely ... three (3) - yeah, THREE - edge-lit zones! Just lovely to see a third of the screen's "blacks" become gray whenever a little bit of white is on it. Needless to say, I immediately turned HDR off, which reduces it to only a nice, but normal, P3 display.
Now, compared to that, the ~500 zones of the XDR display sounds like a lot, but in fact it's still of extremely low density compared to the pixel pitch. And now I hear that HDR can't be turned off!? Surely there must be a way?
I really wish LG or someone would please come out with a smaller, denser OLED display. (Micro-LED's are and will remain vapor for some time, and I'm not worried about burn-in.) Their new 48" OLED's are still too low in pixel pitch for a text display, but a 6-8k version could work well.
I have an LG "HDR" 4k thunderbolt-equipped display with, as far as I can tell, precisely ... three (3) - yeah, THREE - edge-lit zones! Just lovely to see a third of the screen's "blacks" become gray whenever a little bit of white is on it. Needless to say, I immediately turned HDR off, which reduces it to only a nice, but normal, P3 display.
Now, compared to that, the ~500 zones of the XDR display sounds like a lot, but in fact it's still of extremely low density compared to the pixel pitch. And now I hear that HDR can't be turned off!? Surely there must be a way?
I really wish LG or someone would please come out with a smaller, denser OLED display. (Micro-LED's are and will remain vapor for some time, and I'm not worried about burn-in.) Their new 48" OLED's are still too low in pixel pitch for a text display, but a 6-8k version could work well.
It actually doesn't "blast out" at 1600 nits. It seems like it stays at much closer to 500 nits most of the time and only jacks it way up as needed when displaying HDR media.
Any MPX module should work. The 580X will be problematic because two of the 30" ACDs would require an HDMI 1.4 to DisplayPort 1.2 adapter and a DisplayPort 1.2 to Dual Link DVI adapter which requires two USB ports for power and the double adapters might not function correctly all the time.
For the other MPX modules or the two remaining 30" ACDs, you can use a USB-C to Dual Link DVI adapter. These adapters don't require extra USB power because they can get that from the USB-C port.
Apple tech specs don't have information about mixed displays though. An XDR display uses more bandwidth than two 4K displays (when not using DSC) and to 4K displays uses more bandwidth than a 5K display. The only indication that bandwidth can be a problem is where the specs list fewer XDR displays supported than 5K displays.
I was thinking the same thing -- I never clean my screen with a dry cloth -- I always go over it gently with premoistened disposable lens cleaning cloths. I can get the sticky stuff off if I'm patient enough to use gentle pressure until the liquid in the lens cleaners gradually dissolves it. But it doesn't sound like you can use those with the nano surface on the XDR. Don't know how you'd get a bit of sticky stuff off of a nano surface with a dry cloth. Plus does it penetrate into the crevices in the nano surface?
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Hi question for Beliyall, thanks for posting XDR info , i am seriously considering this panel, currently using Eizo 3237 which has 13000 hours on it. I am very interested regarding white uniformity, your pic does not look that great, would it be possible to post a white screen taken face on ? much appreciated
Has anyone—especially those who do text-based work, and are thus concerned about sharpness—had a chance to compare the XDR with the 8K 32" Dell? The Dell is about half the cost ($3229 on NewEgg) and, with 275 ppi (vs. 220 for the XDR) might be sharper.
There is, of course, the question of whether Catalina can properly scale 8k (so the menus aren't too small), and whether the new Macs can properly drive it. It seems that's not the case currently, (https://egpu.io/forums/gpu-monitor-...al-displayport-1-4-monitor-on-macos-catalina/), but perhaps that will be addressed in future OS updates.
There is, of course, the question of whether Catalina can properly scale 8k (so the menus aren't too small), and whether the new Macs can properly drive it. It seems that's not the case currently, (https://egpu.io/forums/gpu-monitor-...al-displayport-1-4-monitor-on-macos-catalina/), but perhaps that will be addressed in future OS updates.
I was going to get the Nano XDR version but then I saw Apple's cleaning instructions and thought that there would be times that I would need liquid to clean it so I am planning on getting the standard XDR.
I am curious to see if owners of the Nano XDR in the future will report issues with cleaning it or if Apple is being overly cautious with the cleaning instructions.
Sure, I think these are fairly accurate with what I see in real life:
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I've had mine since December 29 and no, I have no worries at all. Of course I never touch my screens so I have typically only cleaned them once or twice per year. I got one spot on the XDR and a little hot breath on the screen and gentle rub with the Apple cloth and it came off just fine. My guess is that they are being extra cautious with instructions. If you read their cleaning instructions for things like laptops they're pretty stringent about that, too.
Alright- yea I usually also RARELY clean my screens, but you know, the occasional cough or so..
It seems as though they have released inventory at the retail stores (according to my Apple Business guy). If you are still waiting on yours, maybe check your local Apple store to see if they will sell you one!
All of the stores in a 50+ mile radius of Philadelphia show no stock or availability until February 18, which is also coincidentally the same time my second XDR is sheduled to be delivered.