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Zest28

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Is it really worth to upgrade from the mini-LED M1 12.9 iPad Pro the OLED m4 12.9 iPad Pro just for the screen?

Sounds like a lot of money for just a better 12.9 screen.
 

Aka757

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Is it really worth to upgrade from the mini-LED M1 12.9 iPad Pro the OLED m4 12.9 iPad Pro just for the screen?

Sounds like a lot of money for just a better 12.9 screen.
In my opinion, the biggest reason to upgrade from a M1/M2 12.9” to the M4 13” is the reduced weight and thickness, which make it much easier to use handheld in tablet mode. The move from mini-LED to OLED is not a night and day difference, but is nice for things like blooming and maybe pixel response times.

For the 11”, it’s the opposite. Since the 11” never got the mini-LED panel, the move from LCD to OLED is pretty significant and appreciable. While they did reduce the weight and thickness of the M4 11” compared to the M1/M2, it is barely noticeable.

Now whether these changes are worth it, is completely subjective. The upgrade can get very pricey if you also use the Magic Keyboard and apple pencil since you would have to also replace those. Best thing to do would be to get it and try it out during the return window, if you can.
 

Iwavvns

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The cheapest iPad Pro at the Apple website in the United States starts at $1000 USD. I don’t care what kind of screen it has, or how much storage it contains, that price point is pathetic for that type of device. I could help a lot of less fortunate people with that kind of money.
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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The cheapest iPad Pro at the Apple website in the United States starts at $1000 USD. I don’t care what kind of screen it has, or how much storage it contains, that price point is pathetic for that type of device. I could help a lot of less fortunate people with that kind of money.

Good thing it's a discretionary buy. And many people do both with their money.
 

Iwavvns

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Good thing it's a discretionary buy. And many people do both with their money.
I have to say you are fortunate. The people who live in my area that can afford a brand new iPad Pro rarely think about anyone but themselves. A man cannot serve two masters.
 
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sparksd

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I have to say you are fortunate. The people who live in my area that can afford a brand new iPad Pro rarely think about anyone but themselves. A man cannot serve two masters.

We make a budget every year with a set amount for charity/social donations. Also in that budget are individual monthly allowances for discretionary buys; if I want a pricey item like a Pro, it's on me to save those allowances for it. No buying on payments. The approach has worked well for us as we now have a very comfortable retirement.
 

Student of Life

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From Reddit. Good comparison M1 vs M4.

Look at that, haters! :)

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Yes and no.

Remember the 11in iPad Pro didn’t get mini led and basically has the same screen as the 2018 11in iPad Pro. So the picture is basically comparing a 2018 led to Oled.

A better comparison would be of a 12.9 iPad Pro with M1 or greater since those iPads have the min led display.

Still overall impressive and shows how far screen technology has advanced in 6 years.
 
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pdoherty

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It certainly is the beauty of choice and the beauty of not being preached to by tech snobs who look down on devices that aren’t as technically advanced.
And, don't forget, the snobishness is related to devices that released, what, 3 months ago? And these people act like every Apple device that came before (that they were fully-satisfied with) are now no longer worthy.
 
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pdoherty

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Yes and no.

Remember the 11in iPad Pro didn’t get mini led and basically has the same screen as the 2018 11in iPad Pro. So the picture is basically comparing a 2018 led to Oled.

A better comparison would be of a 12.9 iPad Pro with M1 or greater since those iPads have the min led display.

Still overall impressive and shows how far screen technology has advanced in 6 years.
He claimed it was an M1 Pro vs an M4 Pro. I also doubt that.
 

ManuCH

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Just wondering how well this works, or how it compares to say, an iPhone 16 Pro in direct sunlight...

I'd say an iPad Pro M4 in direct sunlight looks about the same as an iPhone 16 Pro in the same situation. I've been using the iPad Pro in the sun a lot (especially on trains with direct sunlight coming in from the windows) and it's stunning, no comparison to the previous model.
 
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Pezimak

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That’s the beauty of choice, isn’t it? Those of us that appreciate the upgrade and are willing to pay for it, can do so, and no one is being forced to upgrade!

There’s also a matter of subjectivity as well. I don’t think anyone will argue that a previous iPad is completely unusable due to the lack of an OLED panel, but for certain users it does make a noticeable difference.

For example, many folks don’t care about or don’t even notice the difference between 60 hz and 120 hz refresh rates. For me, all the devices I use on a daily basis (iPhone, iPad, MacBook, computer monitor) have high refresh rates, so going from a 120 hz panel to a 60 hz panel is actually jarring. Doesn’t mean I couldn’t use a device locked to 60 hz; just that it makes a difference to me in use.

Sadly I recently tested the 60hz out by setting my iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 14 Pro Max to 60hz and boy could I tell the difference! Looked very jarring to my and made it a bit of an unpleasant experience. If I never used an Apple Pro Motion display I wouldn’t know the difference but as I have been for a while I can tell. I also tested my old iPhone XR and could tell the same difference.
I may get money for Christmas and my Bday and upgrade to an OLED iPad.
 

EugW

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Jun 18, 2017
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Sadly I recently tested the 60hz out by setting my iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 14 Pro Max to 60hz and boy could I tell the difference! Looked very jarring to my and made it a bit of an unpleasant experience. If I never used an Apple Pro Motion display I wouldn’t know the difference but as I have been for a while I can tell. I also tested my old iPhone XR and could tell the same difference.
I may get money for Christmas and my Bday and upgrade to an OLED iPad.
I use an iPhone 12 Pro Max along side an M4 iPad Pro.

60 Hz on the iPhone doesn’t bother me at all.
 

EugW

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Jun 18, 2017
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Some can see the difference some can’t. It is so obvious to me I don’t want to go back to a 60HZ screen.
I didn’t say I can’t see the difference. I see the difference but I don’t care much about that difference. ie. It’s not a major selling point to me.
 
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ManuCH

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I'd say an iPad Pro M4 in direct sunlight looks about the same as an iPhone 16 Pro in the same situation. I've been using the iPad Pro in the sun a lot (especially on trains with direct sunlight coming in from the windows) and it's stunning, no comparison to the previous model.

Deleted as it was too dusty and some people don't like that 🤡
 
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ManuCH

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Looks wonderful, but please wipe the screen and keyboard with a micro fibre cloth, dude its giving me anxiety!

Haha yeah, I had just cleaned it 10 minutes before but it's a dust magnet in such dusty environments. I had to act fast, either take the picture or clean it, as the direct sunlight was about to end.

Sorry for the anxiety 😂
 

Foxglove9

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Just upgraded to the iPad Pro 13" coming from a 2nd Gen iPad Pro 12.9" (2017.) While the screen looks great, I really don't notice a big difference in general use so far. Tested it with comics side-by-side with both iPads. Even at night when I have it on zero brightness the 2 screens look almost identical. A bit underwhelmed, but I tested the iPad Air and it was tough going back to a device without pro motion.
 

Apple_Robert

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Ross Young (display supply chain guy) just posted the below, reiterating the poor demand. Clearly the OLED screen isn't enough to attract people.

I wonder how much of this is due to the iPad Air M2 being pretty amazing, the poor state of iPad OS and iPad Pro pricing.

I think pricing has a lot to do with it. I also think that the current generation uses their phone as their primary device. I have 3 different M4 iPads and have no regrets. I like using them more than I do my phone.
 
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