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spinedoc77

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It has FAST & WIRELESS CHARGING but fast charging is quite dangerous at generating heat. I wanted fast charging awhile back but now realize that it is quite dangerous and faster at depleting it... I guess that WALL HUGGER commercial with that removable battery statement is now a moot point.

Is fast charging detrimental to the hardware? I use fast charge all the time on my Note 4 and it never heats up at all, it stays room temperature. Wireless charging does heat it up, but not fast charging.
 

Truefan31

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They see Apple with no sd card and no removable battery still selling the number 1 smartphone and massive profitability and are following suit. It's not hard to see. Samsung mobile been slumping so u follow what succeeds.

No sd, fixed battery, headphone jack on bottom, ditching plastic. Following a business model similar to Apple.
 

DigitalRev

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Oct 24, 2011
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Is fast charging detrimental to the hardware? I use fast charge all the time on my Note 4 and it never heats up at all, it stays room temperature. Wireless charging does heat it up, but not fast charging.

It's not good for the battery, which sucks even more since it's not replaceable
 

mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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They see Apple with no sd card and no removable battery still selling the number 1 smartphone and massive profitability and are following suit. It's not hard to see. Samsung mobile been slumping so u follow what succeeds.

No sd, fixed battery, headphone jack on bottom, ditching plastic. Following a business model similar to Apple.

It's not that simple. Glass on the iPhone was just for looks, was shatter prone on virtually all drops and battery life was mediocre while the S6 series has universal wireless charging (which doesn't work well with metal back like iPhone 6 series), equipped with Corning Gorilla Glass 4 that's shatter resistant 80% of the time at one meter height and industry leading battery life so you don't have to hug the wall. S6 gets up to 128GB of UFS 2.0 storage which is the fastest (up to 11x over S5) and most reliable storage in the mobile industry in lieu of micro SD slot while iPhone 6 series got cheap TLC.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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They see Apple with no sd card and no removable battery still selling the number 1 smartphone and massive profitability and are following suit. It's not hard to see. Samsung mobile been slumping so u follow what succeeds.

No sd, fixed battery, headphone jack on bottom, ditching plastic. Following a business model similar to Apple.
Hey it worked for Apple. The followed Samsung and others into the larger screen mobile space. Look how that turned out for them.
 

Truefan31

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the reason Samsung ditched SD cards in gs6

It's not that simple. Glass on the iPhone was just for looks, was shatter prone on virtually all drops and battery life was mediocre while the S6 series has universal wireless charging (which doesn't work well with metal back like iPhone 6 series), equipped with Corning Gorilla Glass 4 that's shatter resistant 80% of the time at one meter height and industry leading battery life so you don't have to hug the wall. S6 gets up to 128GB of UFS 2.0 storage which is the fastest (up to 11x over S5) and most reliable storage in the mobile industry in lieu of micro SD slot while iPhone 6 series got cheap TLC.


Uh there's been multiple tests showing the iPhone screen in the past being more shatter resistant than Samsung. I'm not saying Sammys new offerings won't be good but please be realistic here. They are copying apples business model. You want more storage you pay more for it instead of a sd card u buy for 10-15 bucks. Also the no removable battery, no more plastic, and headphone jack on bottom. I commend Samsung but they absolutely are following Apple because Apple makes money. Lol people thinking all these changes are for the consumer and not about money

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Hey it worked for Apple. The followed Samsung and others into the larger screen mobile space. Look how that turned out for them.


You're right. The people here thinking that Samsung changing their models has nothing to do with Apple is what's delusional. It's the same people that think nobody enjoys an iPhone and that it's only because there's an apple logo that only dumb people buy iPhones.
 

Kariya

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Nov 3, 2010
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That's not why, it's really a simple reason. Samsung saw all the money Apple was making fleecing its customers on memory upgrades and decided it wanted in on that money train as well.

Not that either. Most people still buy the 16GB option regardless of optional upgrades.

Google gave up on external memory slots a long time ago. Its easier to just stick with internal storage. Also makes life easier for after-sales tech support.
 

Truefan31

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Aug 25, 2012
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Not that either. Most people still buy the 16GB option regardless of optional upgrades.



Google gave up on external memory slots a long time ago. Its easier to just stick with internal storage. Also makes life easier for after-sales tech support.


Yup all that and again more money.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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You're right. The people here thinking that Samsung changing their models has nothing to do with Apple is what's delusional. It's the same people that think nobody enjoys an iPhone and that it's only because there's an apple logo that only dumb people buy iPhones.
Everybody takes cues from each other. If a product sells well then you can bet others will follow and copy parts of what made the product successful. This happens in business everyday all around the world.
 

FFR

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Everybody takes cues from each other. If a product sells well then you can bet others will follow and copy parts of what made the product successful. This happens in business everyday all around the world.


Taking cues is one thing, but blatantly copying, that's samsungs modus operandi, they have been caught with their hand in the preverbal iPhone jar before, cost them a pretty penny.
 

jamezr

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Taking cues is one thing, but blatantly copying, that's samsungs modus operandi, they have been caught with their hand in the preverbal iPhone jar before, cost them a pretty penny.
Really how did that turn out for them? Last I heard was a lot of Apples patents were either invalidated or considered FRAND. Then the amount awarded has been reduced and voided so much it hardly matters.
Now enough off topic.......
 

sracer

macrumors G4
Apr 9, 2010
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where hip is spoken
It's the TW layer for sure AND carrier bloatware. I've ran enough custom ROM's on Samsung devices to know what lag free means.
My first hand experiences with my Samsung devices confirm your observations.

I rooted my GTab Pro 8.4, "froze" most of the Samsung bloatware... performance is better than my best tablet experience (iPad 4 running iOS 6).

Similar results with a Galaxy Skyrocket II phone.
 

Truefan31

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the reason Samsung ditched SD cards in gs6

Everybody takes cues from each other. If a product sells well then you can bet others will follow and copy parts of what made the product successful. This happens in business everyday all around the world.


I understand that but this thread seems to wanna find some off the wall reason Samsung all a sudden wants to follow in apples footsteps. The non removable battery, no sd card, hp jack on bottom is pretty much a copy of Apple. The fingerprint sensor on Apple ( I understand they weren't the first but they're the first to do it well) next thing Samsung has it (an inferior version).

I really feel like it's because Samsung spends so much time dwelling on the iPhone, the millions spent on marketing directly against them, the things they bashed on Apple about they are now following. They've been up apples behind since their supposed iPhone killer the instinct.

iPhones with bigger screens I get it. It was coming eventually though. I don't see it as just copying Samsung. They did a 4.7 and 5.5. Now do they want some android market share? Absolutely but I'm sure it's not Samsung they're worried about. Remember when iPhone came out it was considered the big screen. Hell I had a htc Evo that was 4.3
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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I understand that but this thread seems to wanna find some off the wall reason Samsung all a sudden wants to follow in apples footsteps. The non removable battery, no sd card, hp jack on bottom is pretty much a copy of Apple. The fingerprint sensor on Apple ( I understand they weren't the first but they're the first to do it well) next thing Samsung has it (an inferior version).

I really feel like it's because Samsung spends so much time dwelling on the iPhone, the millions spent on marketing directly against them, the things they bashed on Apple about they are now following. They've been up apples behind since their supposed iPhone killer the instinct.

Give Samsung a break.
Or should I tell you about the long list of software additions from Apple, which Android had first. ;)
 

Oletros

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Jul 27, 2009
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I understand that but this thread seems to wanna find some off the wall reason Samsung all a sudden wants to follow in apples footsteps. The non removable battery, no sd card, hp jack on bottom is pretty much a copy of Apple. The fingerprint sensor on Apple ( I understand they weren't the first but they're the first to do it well) next thing Samsung has it (an inferior version).

I really feel like it's because Samsung spends so much time dwelling on the iPhone, the millions spent on marketing directly against them, the things they bashed on Apple about they are now following. They've been up apples behind since their supposed iPhone killer the instinct.

iPhones with bigger screens I get it. It was coming eventually though. I don't see it as just copying Samsung. They did a 4.7 and 5.5. Now do they want some android market share? Absolutely but I'm sure it's not Samsung they're worried about. Remember when iPhone came out it was considered the big screen. Hell I had a htc Evo that was 4.3

Yap, iPhones with bigger screen were coming but removing sd cards or removable batteries is copying Apple even if other devices like the Nexus ones have not had them since 2011
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Don't forget Samsung said metal constructed phones were heavy and cold 12 months ago when they launched the S5. Plastic gives a warmer, natural feel. Apple are not the only ones to back track and contradict themselves. I cringe every time somebody mentions the bigger screen comments when there are equally embarrassing comments from other manufacturers. Just accept they are all as bad as each other when marketing their stuff and nothing they say is future proof. ;)
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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I understand that but this thread seems to wanna find some off the wall reason Samsung all a sudden wants to follow in apples footsteps. The non removable battery, no sd card, hp jack on bottom is pretty much a copy of Apple. The fingerprint sensor on Apple ( I understand they weren't the first but they're the first to do it well) next thing Samsung has it (an inferior version).

I really feel like it's because Samsung spends so much time dwelling on the iPhone, the millions spent on marketing directly against them, the things they bashed on Apple about they are now following. They've been up apples behind since their supposed iPhone killer the instinct.

iPhones with bigger screens I get it. It was coming eventually though. I don't see it as just copying Samsung. They did a 4.7 and 5.5. Now do they want some android market share? Absolutely but I'm sure it's not Samsung they're worried about. Remember when iPhone came out it was considered the big screen. Hell I had a htc Evo that was 4.3

iPhones with bigger screens I get it. It was coming eventually though. I don't see it as just copying Samsung

You could say that about everything you say Samsung copies from Apple....

Remember when iPhone came out it was considered the big screen.
Didn't Apple say the 3.5 inch screen was the perfect size?

Hey I get it......does Samsung take some of what Apple does and try to recreate it? Sure they do. Just like Apple does as well.
Thats all I am trying to point out here. They all borrow design cues from each other.

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Don't forget Samsung said metal constructed phones were heavy and cold 12 months ago when they launched the S5. Plastic gives a warmer, natural feel. Apple are not the only ones to back track and contradict themselves. I cringe every time somebody mentions the bigger screen comments when there are equally embarrassing comments from other manufacturers. Just accept they are all as bad as each other when marketing their stuff and nothing they say is future proof. ;)
In the same vein.... I have to laugh everytime someone brings up the comments made by Samsung about plastic phones. It would seem they did copy Apple on those types of embarrassing comments by manufacturers.

Didn't Steve Jobs make fun of the large screen phones? Did he say Apple would not make them because you could not use them with one hand?
Did he say the 3.5 inch iphone was the perfect size?


Did Steve Jobs also ridicule the 7 inch tablet market?
Didn't SJ say Apple would never go there?

Now we have a 5.5 inch iphone phablet and 7 inch iPad Mini.......


They all do this......
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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In the same vein.... I have to laugh everytime someone brings up the comments made by Samsung about plastic phones. It would seem they did copy Apple on those types of embarrassing comments by manufacturers.



Didn't Steve Jobs make fun of the large screen phones? Did he say Apple would not make them because you could not use them with one hand?

Did he say the 3.5 inch iphone was the perfect size?



Did Steve Jobs also ridicule the 7 inch tablet market?

Didn't SJ say Apple would never go there?



Now we have a 5.5 inch iphone phablet and 7 inch iPad Mini.......





They all do this......

To be honest I haven't a clue what Steve Jobs said and didn't say. I couldn't stand the man but I won't risk a ban calling him the name I would like to. He's also dead and it's not good form speaking ill of the dead. He also doesn't run Apple any more so hopefully most of their philosophies have evolved since 2011.

My point was correct though. Samsung's marketing howlers are just as bad as Apples regardless of how many times the bigger screen stuff is recycled by yourself on multiple threads. I can see you are strangely making the same point as me but not sure if you've realised that? Hey ho.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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To be honest I haven't a clue what Steve Jobs said and didn't say. I couldn't stand the man but I won't risk a ban calling him the name I would like to. He's also dead and it's not good form speaking ill of the dead. He also doesn't run Apple any more so hopefully most of their philosophies have evolved since 2011.

My point was correct though. Samsung's marketing howlers are just as bad as Apples regardless of how many times the bigger screen stuff is recycled by yourself on multiple threads. I can see you are strangely making the same point as me but not sure if you've realised that? Hey ho.
Right......... Speaking the truth is not the same as speaking ill of someone. Since you already said you do not know what SJ said how can you claim i was speaking ill of the man?

Samsung's marketing howlers are just as bad as Apples regardless of how many times the bigger screen stuff is recycled by yourself on multiple threads

Hmmmm....haven't you brought up the quote below several times now in multiple threads?
Samsung said metal constructed phones were heavy and cold 12 months ago when they launched the S5. Plastic gives a warmer, natural feel.

But thanks for agreeing with me and my point! Appreciate it! :)
 

Truefan31

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Yap, iPhones with bigger screen were coming but removing sd cards or removable batteries is copying Apple even if other devices like the Nexus ones have not had them since 2011


U mean like the iPhone in 2007?
 

Truefan31

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Don't forget Samsung said metal constructed phones were heavy and cold 12 months ago when they launched the S5. Plastic gives a warmer, natural feel. Apple are not the only ones to back track and contradict themselves. I cringe every time somebody mentions the bigger screen comments when there are equally embarrassing comments from other manufacturers. Just accept they are all as bad as each other when marketing their stuff and nothing they say is future proof. ;)


I think that's the thing. Samsung spent years ridiculing the things they are doing now. They've done countless commercials solely targeting iPhone.

I understand sj said what he said. He's also dead and cook is now the ceo.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Right......... Speaking the truth is not the same as speaking ill of someone. Since you already said you do not know what SJ said how can you claim i was speaking ill of the man?







Hmmmm....haven't you brought up the quote below several times now in multiple threads?





But thanks for agreeing with me and my point! Appreciate it! :)


I said I would not speak ill of the man, I didn't suggest you were, hence why I used 'I'.

This is the second time I have mentioned that quote ever as I only came across it yesterday when somebody else mentioned it and shared the link. Not sure if it was this thread or another either? Not really into multiple thread territory yet but you never know if it might need to keep being used if people won't recognise the contradiction.

You agreed with me if I said it first? I think that's how it works but then again I am pretty good at reading and acknowledging things when I am wrong. Unlike yourself yesterday when you quoted me and failed to read the last sentence that was making the same point you were. Anyway all the best.
 
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