the reason Samsung ditched SD cards in gs6

[epicrayban]

I think there's something far more cocky and arrogant when Apple execs say the silly things they say about the competition.

So is it the same? In principle, but there's no question it carries different weight and significance when it comes from Apple. The image they strive so hard to project is perfection, that they are the industry leader and know what's right (Jobs himself famously said people don't know what they want until someone tells them), and that everything they do is thought out and considered meticulously, etc. etc.

Their hyperbole is quite a bit higher than others.

 

[Mikebai5]

The line for failure or success is very thin because samsung history with sd cards, samsung will get it right by pricing different storage options correctly:
32 gb = ×
64 gb = × + $50
128 gb = × + $100
Where x is the price of the phone.
Then the prices of the phones is approximately equal to the prices of the external macro usb.
Data corruption won't be a problem as everything now is cloud based and can be accessed anywhere.
The only money waste will be with users like me who already bought ext macro usb for their previous phones.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think there's something far more cocky and arrogant when Apple execs say the silly things they say about the competition.

So is it the same? In principle, but there's no question it carries different weight and significance when it comes from Apple. The image they strive so hard to project is perfection, that they are the industry leader and know what's right (Jobs himself famously said people don't know what they want until someone tells them), and that everything they do is thought out and considered meticulously, etc. etc.

Their hyperbole is quite a bit higher than others.

I think it depends on the person listening to be honest. I always think marketing designed to ridicule a competitor whether that is Apple or Samsung is weak and lacks class. Whoever says it it will be conveyed as arrogant IMO. If a product is good, it doesn't need to score cheap shots or have association with a rival. Sadly none of the big boys realise that and they thrive off producing fanboy followings I think. It keeps them relevant I suppose.

 

[epicrayban]

I think it depends on the person listening to be honest. I always think marketing designed to ridicule a competitor whether that is Apple or Samsung is weak and lacks class. Whoever says it it will be conveyed as arrogant IMO. If a product is good, it doesn't need to score cheap shots or have association with a rival. Sadly none of the big boys realise that and they thrive off producing fanboy followings I think. It keeps them relevant I suppose.

Fair enough. It could certainly be me reading into it.

As for marketing, I disagree. It's a classic marketing strategy to go after your competition's weaknesses while highlighting your own strengths. Nothing new here, in my opinion. We see it everywhere (including Samsung and Apple).

 

[jamezr]

I said I would not speak ill of the man, I didn't suggest you were, hence why I used 'I'.

This is the second time I have mentioned that quote ever as I only came across it yesterday when somebody else mentioned it and shared the link. Not sure if it was this thread or another either? Not really into multiple thread territory yet but you never know if it might need to keep being used if people won't recognise the contradiction.

You agreed with me if I said it first? I think that's how it works but then again I am pretty good at reading and acknowledging things when I am wrong. Unlike yourself yesterday when you quoted me and failed to read the last sentence that was making the same point you were. Anyway all the best.

Sure...the phrase "I would not speak ill of the man" when used like you did usually refers to someone doing just that.

Like you I am pretty good at reading people and the meaning behind their actions.

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Fair enough. It could certainly be me reading into it.

As for marketing, I disagree. It's a classic marketing strategy to go after your competition's weaknesses while highlighting your own strengths. Nothing new here, in my opinion. We see it everywhere (including Samsung and Apple).

Apple has done it too...


Remember the I'm a Mac I'm a PC commercials? Funny entertaining stuff!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Sure...the phrase "I would not speak ill of the man" when used like you did usually refers to someone doing just that.

Like you I am pretty good at reading

It was in reference to 'me' calling SJ a name.

I said:
"I couldn't stand the man but won't risk a ban calling him the name I would like to. He's also dead and it's not good form speaking ill of the dead"...

We've been down this road a number of times in the past where you've picked things I have said and applied your own interpretation to them. I think you owe me an apology now I've explained it for the second time. I was referring to myself, not you!

 

[jamezr]

It was in reference to 'me' calling SJ a name.

I said:
"I couldn't stand the man but won't risk a ban calling him the name I would like to. He's also dead and it's not good form speaking ill of the dead"...

We've been down this road a number of times in the past where you've picked things I have said and applied your own interpretation to them. I think you owe me an apology now I've explained it for the second time. I was referring to myself, not you!

We have been down this road a few times......if you do not like my posts....you have the ignore list at your disposal.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We have been down this road a few times......if you do not like my posts....you have the ignore list at your disposal.

There we are then. Good advice i'll take it.

 

[Truefan31]

the reason Samsung ditched SD cards in gs6

Fair enough. It could certainly be me reading into it.



As for marketing, I disagree. It's a classic marketing strategy to go after your competition's weaknesses while highlighting your own strengths. Nothing new here, in my opinion. We see it everywhere (including Samsung and Apple).

Going after what they perceived as weaknesses then turning around and doing it yourself repeatedly is what Samsung did. So no more commercials about no sd card and no removable batteries now.

 

[epicrayban]

Going after what they perceived as weaknesses then turning around and doing it yourself repeatedly is what Samsung did. So no more commercials about no sd card and no removable batteries now.

Nope, I would wager probably not.

Unless they were promoting the Note 4.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

As for marketing, I disagree. It's a classic marketing strategy to go after your competition's weaknesses while highlighting your own strengths. Nothing new here, in my opinion. We see it everywhere (including Samsung and Apple).

I wasn't suggesting it was not a popular way of marketing but in any case it lacks class IMO. The company I work for certainly wouldn't do it and none of our competitors do it. This may be because even though we are in fierce competition with each other we also respect our places in the market. We also reverse engineer each others products and copy aspects of them like any other company. Apple and Samsung engaged using this strategy and its worked for them, but it has also created a market where a certain amount of people will only buy one brand and never consider the other. I think that is bad long term but then again the profits are rolling in now and they don't care.

Recently though it seems these companies are on speaking terms again and screen technology will be shared. This is good for the consumer. Samsung have gone in the right direction I think in regard to SD cards. It could be a way of limiting the way people put data onto their phones. It closes the walls a bit but also creates a less buggy OS IMO. It hasn't got there yet however I think that is the intention.

 

[Silver78]

All consumers are being elbow fisted and used as puppets and there is nothing we can do but take it:-(

Cant wait untill apple build their serverpark in Denmark.. Finally an apple building in Denmark to throw rotten eggs and tomatos at

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

All consumers are being elbow fisted and used as puppets and there is nothing we can do but take it:-(

Cant wait untill apple build their serverpark in Denmark.. Finally an apple building in Denmark to throw rotten eggs and tomatos at

So you are going to be a puppet and throw eggs at a technology company's building? Sorry, I am sure you were joking and being deliberately ironic

 

[cdm283813]

The average everyday Joe/Jane don't care. They will see that the phone has double the storage than a 16GB iPhone they were looking at. 32GB will be fine for the majority of users. They won't even need to waste the money on SD cards. For the rest of us just spend the money on the higher 64GB or 128GB models. The options are there.
People are making a huge deal out of nothing. Samsung had stuck with all those features in the S5 and people did not want it. I don't see anybody wanting to buy those up.

 

[gotluck]

I really doubt the inclusion of the sd card is why people didn't buy the s5

It is a very easy feature to ignore with no harm or foul

 

[JaySoul]

Bizarrely enough, I see what the Thread Starter is saying.

I used to love SD cards but they have definitely slowed things down on the Android devices I've owned.

If you're talking about pure speed, then I can understand why Samsung copied Apple and ditched SD.

Call me naive, but I don't think it's SOLELY about the extra money.

 

[SurferMan]

Ditching microSD isn't a big deal to me, even though I've been using them for years. Plus the last few years its gotten glitchy with Android and depending on phone/carrier, some couldn't even mingle well with a microSD. Or moving stuff it would still leave parts on the internal, kinda wonky. Having everything in 1 place would be best for speed and access, especially with how most anything can be sync'd now, whereas a few years ago I preferred microSD. edit - was just checking, looks like class 10 prices have fallen vs when I bought them awhile back.

 

[pdqgp]

They want the phone to run perfect.if you have a 2gb 4k video file on an sd card it will lag vs getting it of the faster system memory.

They are trying to set a bar in memory performance and system response time.ditching the sd card was the right thing to do for long term use

I don't buy it. I keep plenty of music, movies and apps on my SD inside my Note 3 and the ONLY part of the phone that will remotely lag is the stock dialer. Answer, I don't use it. Now, no lag.

I won't claim to understand bus types, memory, etc. like you're claiming so far, but in the end, if they pull this crap on the Note 5, then the current phone I have will be the last of theirs I buy....unless they price in inline with what the cost of adding a card would be. Don't overprice it or I'm not going to buy simple to not support such practices.

 

[Truefan31]

I don't buy it. I keep plenty of music, movies and apps on my SD inside my Note 3 and the ONLY part of the phone that will remotely lag is the stock dialer. Answer, I don't use it. Now, no lag.

I won't claim to understand bus types, memory, etc. like you're claiming so far, but in the end, if they pull this crap on the Note 5, then the current phone I have will be the last of theirs I buy....unless they price in inline with what the cost of adding a card would be. Don't overprice it or I'm not going to buy simple to not support such practices.

Don't worry now that Samsung ditched the sd card and removable battery like apple it's ok people can live. But before not having a sd and removable battery was impossible for Galaxy users. Oh but it's not about the money it's for the speed increase smh

 

[jamezr]

Don't worry now that Samsung ditched the sd card and removable battery like apple it's ok people can live. But before not having a sd and removable battery was impossible for Galaxy users. Oh but it's not about the money it's for the speed increase smh

LOL...pretty much the same way the large screen displays are ok now that Apple makes the IP6 and 6+. Before they were way too big and hard to use. But now it ok and Apple fans can't get enough of them. I can see the IP8 (or future iphone) with a curved screen (much like the S6 edge) and everyone hailing Apple's innovation.

 

[gotluck]

Don't worry now that Samsung ditched the sd card and removable battery like apple it's ok people can live. But before not having a sd and removable battery was impossible for Galaxy users. Oh but it's not about the money it's for the speed increase smh

yea it does look like this is going to be an about face, just like apple with big screens

 

[epicrayban]

Don't worry now that Samsung ditched the sd card and removable battery like apple it's ok people can live. But before not having a sd and removable battery was impossible for Galaxy users. Oh but it's not about the money it's for the speed increase smh

Have you not been paying attention? The lack of SD card has polarized a lot of people. Ditto for removable battery.

 

[SurferMan]

Like I said, no microSD for me isn't a big deal even though I've been using them for years and all devices have Class 10 cards, I would prefer it but not a deal breaker for me.

However, non-removable battery is a big turn off. For one, all batteries degrade with time, usually between 1-2 year mark noticeably, happened on all our iPhones we've owned. The big difference before was with my phones I could pop the battery cover off, put new battery in, put cover back on and be done. With the iPhones its a complete pain in the ass now disassembling them, replacing the battery, and then putting back together, makes you feel like your in med school performing a surgery lol. Plus for some that are super heavy users, like a few friends, they carry an extra battery when traveling.... vs those battery case attachments on iPhones that turn them into fat little bricks.

 

[Truefan31]

the reason Samsung ditched SD cards in gs6

LOL...pretty much the same way the large screen displays are ok now that Apple makes the IP6 and 6+. Before they were way too big and hard to use. But now it ok and Apple fans can't get enough of them. I can see the IP8 (or future iphone) with a curved screen (much like the S6 edge) and everyone hailing Apple's innovation.

Nobody's saying a larger screen is innovation. It's a preference. But people here spinning Samsung copying Apple as innovation is lol. Oh the speed increase, etc. people don't wanna admit it's a money grab. "Oh the sd is so slow" lol. Plain and simple they see apple making money doing it for the last 8 years, their own profitability dropping, and are now seeing what to do to be profitable.

They borrow from each other I get it. But again when Sammy spent years and millions publicly demeaning iPhone and now they are adopting the features they bashed, it's laughable to think its for anything but money

 

[pdqgp]

Don't worry now that Samsung ditched the sd card and removable battery like apple it's ok people can live. But before not having a sd and removable battery was impossible for Galaxy users. Oh but it's not about the money it's for the speed increase smh

My argument was never about having expandable memory or not or even about the speed, it was always about the cost of it. Apple overcharging $$ for it by making users pay exorbitant amounts for added capacity pissed me off. If Sammy does the same thing then they are just as dumb and I will not support that.

I really don't care if they offer 3 levels of storage so long as they are offered and I'm not paying a Premium for it. I have no idea if they are pricing it well or not, don't care. I'm not going for the S6 either way. I am however curious as to what the Note 5 will offer. Even there however, I won't like trade up from my Note 3 as it works and does all I need it to do now. I just am waiting on the new OS.