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Dave245

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That's exactly my plan. I will box it up and send it via FedEx Monday morning while at work because we have a FedEx office right nearby.

And there's zero chance on buying another Samsung product ever again. And the funny thing is I actually really liked the s24 Ultra. It surprised and shocked me in a very positive way. It's an excellent phone. One of the best Android phones ever.

But that customer support was so horrible and they were saying everything possible to not help me to say hey, buy a second phone and then return the other one and eventually you'll get a refund after we inspect it.

No way. I'm not spending almost $3,000 on two phones and maybe in a month I'll get $1,500 back. I'm done with Samsung.

I don’t blame you. Apples customer service has always been the best in my experience. I had to contact them about AirPods Pro (first gen a few years back) I had a dud pair, they simply sent me out a new pair and sent the return packaging to send the dud ones back.

Sticking with the Pixel?
 
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Dave245

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Honestly, Apple does the same: You have to purchase the replacement device before being able to go through with the replacement. I think it's standard practice.

Hopefully your new phone will be better. Lemons happen.

No in my experience, at least not here in the UK. As I said in my previous post, I had an issue with my AirPods Pro, they sent me out a new pair and included the return packaging to send the dud ones back.
 

Tig Bitties

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I have purchased many things (15 at least) from Samsung and have not had a bad experience, yet. Many times, I have used support and they've always been helpful. All of my trade-ins (11) have been accepted as the way I said they were. I'm sorry but this seems suspicious (I know forum members will vilify me). Another forum member recommended you not get the Ultra and you did anyway. It just doesn't seem legit.


What the hell are you insinuating at towards me? You think I'm making this up? It's a fake story from me?

Are you ***** serious? How dare you say that to me. I really liked the phone. Last night I was smiling ear to ear in excitement with it.

I wake up this morning. The phone's dead on the table, made no sense of whatsoever. I've never seen that in 20 years of owning smartphones.

Why would I make a story up like this? This is the last thing I want to deal with. I've got a massive headache and stressed out dealing with this today. This is zero fun whatsoever, and never in a million years would I want this to happen. I was going to keep the phone long term. Until it suddenly died overnight or I don't know what happened to it?
 

rhinosrcool

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What the hell are you insinuating at towards me? You think I'm making this up? It's a fake story for me?

Are you ****ing serious? How dare you say that to me. I really like the phone. Last night I was smiling ear to ear and excitement with it.

I wake up this morning. The phone's dead on the table made no sense of whatsoever. I've never seen that in 20 years of owning smartphones.

Why would I make a story up like this? This is the last thing I want to deal with. I've got a massive headache and stressed out dealing with this today.
Just my observation.
 
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Dave245

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I have purchased many things (15 at least) from Samsung and have not had a bad experience, yet. Many times, I have used support and they've always been helpful. All of my trade-ins (11) have been accepted as the way I said they were. I'm sorry but this seems suspicious (I know forum members will vilify me). Another forum member recommended you not get the Ultra and you did anyway. It just doesn't seem legit.

Just because they haven’t had the same experience, doesn’t make it a false it. I consider Apples customer service to be the best, however someone else might have a different experience, doesn’t make it not true.
 

Tig Bitties

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No in my experience, at least not here in the UK. As I said in my previous post, I had an issue with my AirPods Pro, they sent me out a new pair and included the return packaging to send the dud ones back.

That's the way it should work. I work in management in very high-end custom home materials. We supply product to people building $5 million homes and up.

If they get a defective product from us, we immediately inspect it and then order new product and never ask for payment on the new product, and then when the new product comes in we take back the bad one, and ship out the new one and don't charge them a penny more.
 
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Aneres11

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Bit disappointing that you’re being called out for seemingly making the story up @Tig Bitties
These things do happen. Sorry it didn’t work out.
Weirdly, the exact same thing happened with me and a brand new iPhone XR years ago when that phone came out.
And as I was on the phone to the place I bought it from, it literally sprung to life. It was bizarre. But that did the same. Woke up and was dead as a dodo. Brand new phone.

At least you gave it a go. And hey, you actually quite liked it.
 

Tig Bitties

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Well, I knew I would get vilified. If members want me gone, I'll leave. I just posted my feelings but let me know if I should leave.


Why make a dick comment like that? Totally uncalled for and very rude.

You think I would make up a stressful migraine-inducing story up like this? You obviously don't know me.

This forum has nice people. Good conversations going back and forth. Rude mean people do not belong here.
 

rhinosrcool

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Why make a dick comment like that? Totally uncalled for and very rude.

You think I would make up a stressful migraine-inducing story up like this? You obviously don't know me.

This forum has nice people. Good conversations going back and forth. Rude mean people do not belong here.
I will leave.
 

Bkdodger

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@Tig Bitties sorry for the stress but no worries man ...just return it and wait for the refund ...as @drinkingtea said I believe that is standard practice for not only Samsung..think about it if someone is full of it and not being truthful to Samsung..they are not going to send you a refund without inspecting device...I wouldn't for sure ...and then send a new one without a charge to card .... frustrating yes ...can Samsung be a pain with switching you around and peeps giving bad info YES ..But just think about what I said ...sorry again boss
 

edubfromktown

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That's the way it should work. I work in management in very high-end custom home materials. We supply product to people building $5 million homes and up.

If they get a defective product from us, we immediately inspect it and then order new product and never ask for payment on the new product, and then when the new product comes in we take back the bad one, and ship out the new one and don't charge them a penny more.
Sorry you had a lemon ordeal from hell. It does happen on occasion. In my case, with a Pixel 4a5G... Google support was just as horrid in a similar fashion.
 

Tig Bitties

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Sorry you had a lemon ordeal from hell. It does happen on occasion. In my case, with a Pixel 4a5G... Google support was just as horrid in a similar fashion.

I'm just so stressed about this whole ordeal. First getting the phone yesterday, unsure if I'd like it. And immediately once unboxed it and looked at the device and held it, I was really liking it.

Then turning it on and getting it set up I was very surprised how smooth and fluid it was. TouchWiz was long gone, this truly was an amazing device.

And then tweaking it and installing themes and getting it close to how I liked it, I was in joy last night. Proud papa of my new smartphone I was unsure I'd like it not, but kept an open mind.

And boy did I really like it, was great, and felt so high-end.

Went to bed with the phone at 90% charged. And just left it on the desk in my computer room. Slept with a smile 😁 on my face knowing Samsung finally turned it around, a truly awesome phone. Best of the best.

And then this morning those feelings just vanished. Ugh. I pick up the phone notice that always on display wasn't showing. I thought to myself that's strange. I tapped the phone to wake it. Nothing happened. Hmm that's very strange. I pressed the power button to turn the screen and again nothing happened. Ugh what's going on? I then did my typical long press and hold the power button to restart it nothing. I've ended the other hold the volume down key and the power button at the same time for 15 or 20 seconds. Again nothing happened.

I started to panic and was like what the hell happened? I literally just sat the phone on my desk last night with almost a full charge and went to bed. Nobody touched it. Nothing happened to it. It was just sitting on my desk all night. And to come to it this morning with it. Totally dead phone was unbelievable. It just made no sense. This has never once happened to me before. Phone worked perfect last night, how did it just go dead over night?

And then the fiasco with Samsung support dealing with five different chat people calling the couple people there and all of them really not offering any help. Just bring it back and purchase a new one right now.

All that left such a sour taste in my mouth. We'll see what happens. I'll package it up and return it on Monday. Let me cool my jets and calm down. Maybe I'll reorder a new one once they get it back. We'll see...
 

Dave245

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Before all of this hassle with Samsung, did you like the S24 Ultra more than the Pixel?

Personally I think Samsung have improved a lot over the years, I can understand the reluctance to try them after the TouchWiz days. I was in the very same boat a few years ago. One UI is great for customisation, battery life has definitely improved over the years (especially now that they don't use Exynos in the Ultra here in the UK).

I returned mine within the 14 day window, just waiting on Samsung now to refund my money. It's always nice to try these things.
 

Technerd108

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5th customer support person, who said they were a manager;

" Unfortunately we do not have an option to replace the device. However, you can return the phone as the device is still within the return window, and get a refund after it's been inspected to be defective. And we will be happy to assist you in purchasing a new Galaxy phone, we can offer you a 5% discount if you pay for it today. Thank you. "

Uh, no!!!!
Of I were you I would call Samsung customer service. Then after you explain the situation to whomever ask for a supervisor once they give you the run around. Be polite and firm and the supervisor who you speak with on the phone will help you.

Chats go nowhere because there is no accountability. When you say you spoke with Cheryl customer service supervisor with ID number xxxx on this date at this time. Whatever you agree to they will stick to and often times they will offer a free credit if you ask for all your inconvenience.

If you are respectful but push to get a new phone FedEx two day and a $100 credit to use in a month or so. It has worked for me when I was getting nowhere.

Good luck and very very sorry to hear about your experiences. I have had horror stories with Google and a couple of times I had to push Samsung like I am suggesting for you.
 

Technerd108

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Also I have bought from Apple, Google, Best Buy, Samsung and honestly over the years Samsung has taken care of me.

BUT I am persistent with customer service and if I get blocked using chat I will call and if I am blocked again I go to supervisor. The only time this has not worked was with T mobile over unlocking a fully paid for iPhone. I spent a month calling daily for an hour a day and got nothing for it. I am no longer a T mobile or subsidiary customer so I completely understand your point of view feeling wronged.

I would suggest you leave the phone plugged in for a few hours. Go into recovery by pressing power and volume up. Once in the recovery menu navigate using volume to clear cache and reboot. If nothing changes try to reset from recovery. If those steps fail it is DOA.

I just am trying to think of any way I can to turn this experience around before it is too late.

BUT no matter what you do. If you say I am dine with Samsung forever then I completely respect your opinion. BUT I will say after the emotions of the incident die down would you have honestly been treated differently from Google? Maybe Apple if you came to the store would have exchanged the device but otherwise to send back they would charge you. It is standard practice. Google did this to me with a Pixel 4 xl DOA and I had to pay full price if I wanted it sent out the next day or wait for them to receive and credit my account and re order. I was pissed and said the same thing as you. Yet here I am with a Pixel 8 Pro.

Honestly Apple is best with these situations but even with them you have to push and be persistent.

So what I am trying to say is at the end of the day you liked the phone. Keep trying with real people to get a resolution that is acceptable to you. If it doesn't work out and you walk away at least you gave it your best shot and it really lies in Samsung hands. They can have a long time repeat customer potentially if they treat you right in this situation after you spent $1500 on a new device and demand a new working device.

What a mess. So sorry again.
 

Tig Bitties

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Thanks for the support guys except the one douche here.

It just didn't help that I was super busy today. Kids activities housework and a dinner gathering tonight.

I'll try hard on Monday
 
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keithop

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Thanks for the support guys except the one douche here.

It just didn't help that I was super busy today. Kids activities housework and a dinner gathering tonight.

I'll try hard on Monday

honestly I hate it when we're all excited over a new product and then it all goes wrong :( it's gut wrenching. The only thing that can somewhat fix it is excellent customer service which you haven't had.

Closest I had was with an iphone, ordered it, waited for it, arrived completely dead. Called applecare who just didn't believe me, "have you charged it" blah blah. Luckily there was an apple store close. Went in, showed them the phone and the guy must've seen my totally sad face and said OMG cheer up we'll fix it for you! They managed to get me a new phone from another store, set it up, installed a screen protector free for me, gave me a choice of a free case... little things I know but I felt like they put their arms around me and made it better.

If samsung want to REALLY compete with Apple, they need to get their support up to standard because a bad taste not only puts off that person but they tell 10 other people who avoid samsung too.
 

Technerd108

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I don’t blame you. Apples customer service has always been the best in my experience. I had to contact them about AirPods Pro (first gen a few years back) I had a dud pair, they simply sent me out a new pair and sent the return packaging to send the dud ones back.

Sticking with the Pixel?
Google is the absolute worst of you have a hardware problem. And what company of the major three has the most problematic hardware? Google.
But I have had good and terrible customer service from every company. Apple and Samsung have been best in my experience. Once Samsung sent me a $250 credit after they screwed up giving me a credit on a trade in. So they gave me the trade in price then a month later sent another $250 credit. I had to spend time calking and speaking with a supervisor but it worked. Same with Apple, HP, Microsoft Surface, and on and on.

First level customer service is designed to give the company the best outcome. Second level is generally where you get a better resolution. It sucks companies have taken this approach but there are scammers who return things in scams or abuse the system. Those people have ruined it for us honest people.

So as much as Apple gets put on a pedestal and in a lit of ways there is a valid reason, Apple is no different now in trying to peddle off resolutions that work in their favor over a happy customer. They have a physical location which is good but they will offer similar solutions as any other retailers at first. They didn't used to act like this and were much more customer oriented in terms of after sale support. Apple is still the best but considering the cost of their products I have felt a depreciable difference in customer service at Apple over the years. So the equation I pay more but I get better service has changed a bit.

So compared to Google Apple is king. Compared to Microsoft store not so much. I have gotten better after sales support through Microsoft and the store than Apple but I digress.

I think in terms of after sales hardware support and out of warranty support all companies can do a lot better.
I'm just so stressed about this whole ordeal. First getting the phone yesterday, unsure if I'd like it. And immediately once unboxed it and looked at the device and held it, I was really liking it.

Then turning it on and getting it set up I was very surprised how smooth and fluid it was. TouchWiz was long gone, this truly was an amazing device.

And then tweaking it and installing themes and getting it close to how I liked it, I was in joy last night. Proud papa of my new smartphone I was unsure I'd like it not, but kept an open mind.

And boy did I really like it, was great, and felt so high-end.

Went to bed with the phone at 90% charged. And just left it on the desk in my computer room. Slept with a smile 😁 on my face knowing Samsung finally turned it around, a truly awesome phone. Best of the best.

And then this morning those feelings just vanished. Ugh. I pick up the phone notice that always on display wasn't showing. I thought to myself that's strange. I tapped the phone to wake it. Nothing happened. Hmm that's very strange. I pressed the power button to turn the screen and again nothing happened. Ugh what's going on? I then did my typical long press and hold the power button to restart it nothing. I've ended the other hold the volume down key and the power button at the same time for 15 or 20 seconds. Again nothing happened.

I started to panic and was like what the hell happened? I literally just sat the phone on my desk last night with almost a full charge and went to bed. Nobody touched it. Nothing happened to it. It was just sitting on my desk all night. And to come to it this morning with it. Totally dead phone was unbelievable. It just made no sense. This has never once happened to me before. Phone worked perfect last night, how did it just go dead over night?

And then the fiasco with Samsung support dealing with five different chat people calling the couple people there and all of them really not offering any help. Just bring it back and purchase a new one right now.

All that left such a sour taste in my mouth. We'll see what happens. I'll package it up and return it on Monday. Let me cool my jets and calm down. Maybe I'll reorder a new one once they get it back. We'll see...
Did you have the phone plugged in? Sometimes plugging into USB port of PC or Mac will wake it up. Or just being plugged in. Just something to try beforehand it goes back.
 

Technerd108

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honestly I hate it when we're all excited over a new product and then it all goes wrong :( it's gut wrenching. The only thing that can somewhat fix it is excellent customer service which you haven't had.

Closest I had was with an iphone, ordered it, waited for it, arrived completely dead. Called applecare who just didn't believe me, "have you charged it" blah blah. Luckily there was an apple store close. Went in, showed them the phone and the guy must've seen my totally sad face and said OMG cheer up we'll fix it for you! They managed to get me a new phone from another store, set it up, installed a screen protector free for me, gave me a choice of a free case... little things I know but I felt like they put their arms around me and made it better.

If samsung want to REALLY compete with Apple, they need to get their support up to standard because a bad taste not only puts off that person but they tell 10 other people who avoid samsung too.
If Google or Samsung really want to go toe to toe with the Mighty fruit then they are going to need physical locations all over just like Apple.

I know they all want everything to be digital, online, by chat, but we as customers have to push back.

The reason I have a Pixel is despite Googles support and customer service. If I was buying on service or support Google would be dead last in my personal experience.

If Google and Samsung had stores like Apple does all over every major city depending where you live it would make a huge difference from a customer relationship standpoint. But in the Android world it is simply not possible for every OEM to have the physical presence Apple does. It is a huge investment on Apple's part.

Part of the cost of Apple products has to do with offering retail locations and sales and support staff.

From a buyers perspective in my situation it boils down to cost vs risk. How many times do I have hardware issues with a particular companies products? What is the difference in cost to me? What makes sense from this angle?

If I pay hundreds less or even closer to $1k less buying from Samsung say for a phone than Apple. Then say I buy Apple Care or Samsung care. Cost is almost the same and supposedly next day replacement is guaranteed. So either way I am paying much much less and while I don't have access to a Samsung store to exchange my device I can send it in and get a replacement the next day afterwards. So I have negated most of the risk and cost is significantly lower than Apple and I actually prefer the ultra vs Pro Max.

So far, in my personal risk benefit cost analysis Pixel is a bad choice. I get very poor resale value for my Pixel devices which is a big problem cost wise when upgrading. On top of that, if you do have a hardware problem, God help you connect with anyone who can help you and you can’t call and talk to anyone. It is either chat or email which in my opinion sucks. The resolutions offered are generally canned responses that don't even answer the question.

I always end paying more for Google products, get underwhelming specs(until the Pixel 6 and up) and have a higher chance of defects. Sometimes I have bought a product that I spent a decent amount on to be discontinued a year later(Pixel slate Chrome tablet anyone?)

With Samsung I generate get the best specs and pay the least. Hardware is generally good and support is at least able to receive a phone call. Apple is also better in this regard but less of a cost benefit. In other words I pay more for Apple and buy less often, have to save up for a purchase, but tend to keep Apple products for longer because of this. So far Apple products offer excellent performance and despite a lack of some features work well for as long as I keep them and when I do sell I get more money back but it is not as significant as in the past. Apple is now discounting or allowing 3rd party sellers to discount new products which never used to happen which hurts resale value. So Apple is just more expensive overall but still manages to deliver an experience I feel is worth the extra cost.

Which is why I am a Samsung customer and Apple customer mostly. I have always loved true vanilla Android and Pixel is a really good phone to have if you like a pure Google Android experience. Nothing beats it. Which is why despite Google I am still their customer. In terms of phones I am waiting for iPhone 16/17 when the hardware and software really meet. I will probably get an iPhone over a Pixel next year or the year after depending on how those future devices and Apple's implementation of AI solidify. I am pretty sure Apple is going to wow us with its generative AI. Apple could upstage Google of they do it right and until then iPhone doesn't offer me anything unique and doesn't have basic call screening like my Pixel and Samsung phones.

So it just depends I may end up back on iOS with a phone but Apple needs to offer a few things to rip me from the Ultra. I would like a similar size screen. Pencil support. Good AI features like better call screening than Samsung and at least as good conversationally as Pixel. We get that and really good a18/19 then I am back in baby. 😆

The problem I have with Google is using anything other than a Pixel phone in their ecosystem is poorly implemented. So there is no real benefit of having multiple Pixel devices when they don't sync with my PC, current Pixel tablet sucks compared to tab s9 11", I am not buying a Chromebook, I also will probably sell my Pixel watch 2. My galaxy watch 6 classic is so much better. When the watch 7 comes out I will trade my watch 6 and sell the Pixel watch. I get all the same health tracking features but I don't have to spend nearly $100 a year to use it. It is a great watch but the screen is too small for me compared to the Galaxy.

At least with Samsung everything works together like Apple and syncs with my PC so it is a very similar experience to Apple ecosystem but you aren't locked in. You can have other brand devices and they all work together. I can use my Pixel watch in my Galaxy phone and it is exactly like on my Pixel and same with Galaxy watch. Try using any other brand with Apple like a Samsung tablet and Mac? I am not talking peripherals. So at the end of the day I feel my money is better spent with Apple or Samsung than Google although I find Pixel phones a lot of fun and really like the UI.
 
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Tig Bitties

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Google is the absolute worst of you have a hardware problem. And what company of the major three has the most problematic hardware? Google.
But I have had good and terrible customer service from every company. Apple and Samsung have been best in my experience. Once Samsung sent me a $250 credit after they screwed up giving me a credit on a trade in. So they gave me the trade in price then a month later sent another $250 credit. I had to spend time calking and speaking with a supervisor but it worked. Same with Apple, HP, Microsoft Surface, and on and on.

First level customer service is designed to give the company the best outcome. Second level is generally where you get a better resolution. It sucks companies have taken this approach but there are scammers who return things in scams or abuse the system. Those people have ruined it for us honest people.

So as much as Apple gets put on a pedestal and in a lit of ways there is a valid reason, Apple is no different now in trying to peddle off resolutions that work in their favor over a happy customer. They have a physical location which is good but they will offer similar solutions as any other retailers at first. They didn't used to act like this and were much more customer oriented in terms of after sale support. Apple is still the best but considering the cost of their products I have felt a depreciable difference in customer service at Apple over the years. So the equation I pay more but I get better service has changed a bit.

So compared to Google Apple is king. Compared to Microsoft store not so much. I have gotten better after sales support through Microsoft and the store than Apple but I digress.

I think in terms of after sales hardware support and out of warranty support all companies can do a lot better.

Did you have the phone plugged in? Sometimes plugging into USB port of PC or Mac will wake it up. Or just being plugged in. Just something to try beforehand it goes back.

I used to Root and ROM my phones back in the day, I'm pretty good at troubleshooting issues. I know getting into Recovery mode, then I can reboot from there, but I can't even get the phone to light up or do anything at all. It's lifeless.

I've tried all the options, put the phone on the charger to get some juice back into it, waited like an hour, then hold power button + vol down key for 30 seconds. Or hold power button + vol up key for 30 seconds. Tried those and still nothing.

Tried different USB-C cable and gave it 30min on a different charger, and nothing. Tried a different charging brick for awhile, yep still nothing.

Plug the phone into my high-end gaming PC, yep, nothing.

Put it on the wireless charger for awhile, yep nothing.

This is the most bizarre and weird dead new phone I've ever come across, and I even "bricked" a few phones with bad ROM installs, and was still able to recover / fix them. But not this S24U, this phone is just DEAD. And it's the strangest thing ever, because last night it was working brand new like a champ, and this morning just nothing. Like it's soul and life were sucked away LOL. Ugh WTF.
 
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Technerd108

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I used to Root and ROM my phones back in the day, I'm pretty good at troubleshooting issues.

I've tried all the options, hold power button + vol down key for 30 seconds. Or hold volume key and vol up key for 30 seconds. Tried those and still nothing.

Try different USB-C cables yep, and nothing. Try a different charging brick, yep nothing.

Plug the phone into my high-end gaming PC, yep, nothing.

Put it on the wireless charger for awhile, yep nothing.

This is the most bizarre and weird dead new phone I've ever come across, and I even "bricked" a few phones with bad ROM installs, and was still able to recover / fix them. But not this S24U, this phone is just DEAD. And it's the strangest thing ever, because last night it was working brand new like a champ, and this morning just nothing. Like it's soup and life were sucked away LOL. Ugh.
Well you tried everything. It is dead.

I am sorry. Nothing sucks more than having a hardware failure on a brand new device.

I bought a Lenovo laptop on Black Friday sale. It was a little more expensive than I wanted to spend but it had everything at 60% off. Lower than BestBuy. Two weeks later I got it set it up and no sound? I am very comfortable with operating system troubleshooting and reinstalling OS, using Linux, etc.

So I figured out the hardware was faulty. Contacted Lenovo and asked for a replacement. They initially agreed. Then ran out of stock. Never restocked. Told me I can return and buy another now without any discounts. They wouldn't budge. No more Lenovo for me. Lol. So I totally get your experience.

Sometimes we just get the short end of the stick butvI hope somehow Samsung makes it right or you give it another shot if feel like it. As others and I have said charging or putting a hold for the cost of a replacement until they get the defective unit is industry standard practice. It sucks but it is not like you are being treated unfair. Since you don't want to do that you could just return it or you could buy it again. Maybe wait until the summer sales and defects should be worked out by then?

Good luck and hopefully next time you buy a phone, the phone God's will be smiling down on you!!
 
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