I think you’re thinking of their GPUs or neural net, at least to some extent, their processor component of the SoC is very much an implementation of the ARM ISA and uses ARM designs as the base. The M2/A15 series for ex are ARMv8.5-A processors.
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The thrill of Apple silicon is already gone
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Well, you can say that Apple follows the ARM ISA specifications, but Apple AFAIK, do not use ARM's CPU core u-arch. Apple's ARM CPU cores are entirely their own u-arch design. I guess you mean the ARM ISA when you were referring to design? Both are two different things.
This is the reason why Apple's Ax SoC still beats Qualcomm's Snapdragon SoC when it comes to the ARM CPU cores, because Qualcomm uses ARM's core u-arch for their SoC.
Well, that's what I read. They use the ARM's Cortex-A cores. I read that Qualcomm used to design their own CPU cores, but gave up and went back to ARM's core design. Do you have information stating otherwise?
Companies generally don't drop/increase prices immediately following exchange rate changes. Apple isn't going to change prices every day.
According to Wikipedia the Kyro cores seems to be a derivative of the Cortex A/X series CPU cores.
I'm not knowleagable enough to conclude if Kyro is purely Qualcomm's design or it is a tweaked Cortex A/X design. Anyway, thanks for the link.
No, I'm thinking of the CPU. Apple's processor cores since the A6 use an Apple-designed processor core with an Apple microarchitecture that implements the ARM architecture. There are different kind of ARM licenses. Some allow you to use ARM-designed processor cores, others allow you to design your own compatible processors. The ARMv8.5-A standard defines the behaviour of a processor, not the implementation!
I haven't tried games in Parallels (I have a gaming Pc for that), but for those who don't own an apple silicon Mac and are worried about losing bootcamp - running Windows 11 in Parallels on an M1 or later machine is as nice or nicer than running Windows 11 natively on PC laptop hardware in my experience. Especially because you're not dealing with trash tier third party drivers. And you get snapshot/rollback of the entire OS.
It is genuinely snappy (no fan either) and if I was to put it in front of someone for "serious use" I very much doubt they'd be able to tell it wasn't native in a blind test. it feels as snappy as my R9-5900X+RX6900XT PC in "general desktop use".
The Arm version of Win11 can run intel windows binaries just fine.
I'm hoping to setup a PC at some point and hopefully do some sort of Remote Desktop streaming to actually use my Mac as the main interface to the games.
Any examples? I've run 32 bit proprietary wireless carrier network hardware configuration tools from 32 bit windows XP on it?
Drivers for hardware, games and apps will only work if they’re designed for a Windows 10 ARM-based PC.
64-bit (x64) apps won’t work. You’ll need 64-bit (ARM64) apps, 32-bit (ARM32) apps, or 32-bit (x86) apps.
Certain games won’t work. Games and apps won’t work if they use a version of OpenGL greater than 1.1.
Apps that customize the Windows experience might have problems. This includes some input method editors (IMEs), assistive technologies, and cloud storage apps.
Some third-party antivirus software can’t be installed.
Windows Fax and Scan isn’t available, nor are Windows RSAT (Remote Server Admon Tools).
I myself couldn't run PGA Tour 23k on ARM (works fine on Parallels on an Intel Mac), so I can confirm #3 above. Granted, most apps for most people will run OK on ARM, but there are some limitations.
You’re out of date on a lot of this, for ex windows 11 on ARM handles x86_64 apps
Definitely, because if you're talking about Windows 10 on ARM that isn't supported at all on non-surface devices.
Windows 11 is officially supported in Parallels; I'd suggest to re-try with an officially supported configuration.
Yes drivers will be arch specific and some games may make demands that the virtual GPU driver can't support. But in terms of application support I have yet to run into any problems. I haven't tested games; if you're trying to game on a MacBook (either x64 or ARM) with PC games you bought the wrong platform.
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I have a Windows laptop with an Nvidia GEForce 4050. I also have an X-Box X series. But it would be nice to run Mac all the time. And I do have Windows 11 ARM.
Apple and AMD fan here. ( do I have issues with 'A', I did work hard in school... is this why? ).
Just built a beast of a machine for StableDiffusion rendering and LLaMA for local ChatGPT development.
AMD 7900X, 4090 Suprim X, 32GB 6000mhz, 2TB 6000MB/s M.2 > renders almost instantly
Love AMD!
The tough part is convincing the old school bosses that have been developing .NET for 30+ years to switch. It is like talking to a brick wall. It literally breaks their brain.
Seriously? Time to grab Windows 10 ARM, load up Duke Nukem 3D, kick ass, and chew bubble gum...
... and I'm all out of gum! 😁
BL.
What a beast!!
I’m a big AMD fanboy as well (as if my profile picture didn’t give it away). Recently bought my father a new computer… you can probably guess what brand of CPU I put in there.
This whole M1-2 area taught me was old time feeling or when Mac OS X first came out and how m any applications took Years to update their applications (think Photoshop) and took them about the same time making a Universal version a year and half after the start of M1! Also some shareware/freeware that seems to never update even once seem to have moved on! it seems like many many applications seem to halve a self life I it life! I now know that Intel only applications seem to be absent these last few years and has moved on!
Apple does not use Arm chip designs, they use the IPA which is more like the chip’s API. It is not the circuitry design. Of course there is some ancestral relationship but Apple has been doing their own chip design for more than a decade.