The thrill of Apple silicon is already gone

[sam_dean]

It's in the Applications folder in Utilities. Not exactly a deep folder structure. Would you also say that Disk Utility is hidden?

To a non-nerd user that makes up ~80% of all users in all 195+ countries then yes.

Do not just think about people you see day to day within the towns/cities/communities you are in.

 

[dmccloud]

I think we are not comparing apples to apples.

Widen your horizons. Do not look at it through a drinking straw.

I look at the whole user base in all sovereign nations and not just specific tech professionals like devs, engineers and related fields.

Your user base is the minority. To me that means less than 50% of all worldwide Mac users whether they be in the tech industry or not.

To be more accurate it would be significantly less than 20% of the more than 100 million Macs in use.

Here's the single biggest problem with your analysis. Given the price of the average Mac, in many countries just the pricing structure limits the market of potential buyers, meaning that a HIGHER percentage of creative professionals, app developers, etc. would be buying these machines in those countries because there is a clear benefit from a business perspective. If you're going to turn the analysis to a global perspective, then you must by default also take into account factors such as economics, relative wealth between nations, access to these machines in the first place, etc. You seem to have attempted to apply a "one size fits all" approach here, which grossly overestimates the number of non-creatives who pick up these machines overseas. This is ironic, given your admonition to "widen your horizons".

 

[sam_dean]

Here's the single biggest problem with your analysis. Given the price of the average Mac, in many countries just the pricing structure limits the market of potential buyers, meaning that a HIGHER percentage of creative professionals, app developers, etc. would be buying these machines in those countries because there is a clear benefit from a business perspective. If you're going to turn the analysis to a global perspective, then you must by default also take into account factors such as economics, relative wealth between nations, access to these machines in the first place, etc. You seem to have attempted to apply a "one size fits all" approach here, which grossly overestimates the number of non-creatives who pick up these machines overseas. This is ironic, given your admonition to "widen your horizons".

Dictators & their keys of sh_tholes tend to buy Apple products.

Do we discriminate against them as well?

I get you want to win an online discussion but let us not assume such things as it is somewhat discriminatory. ;-)

 

[bradl]

To a non-nerd user that makes up ~80% of all users in all 195+ countries then yes.

Do not just think about people you see day to day within the towns/cities/communities you are in.

Umm..

1. Open a new Finder Window.
2. Command-Shift-U (or Go menu - Utilities)
3. Double click on Disk Utility.

Done. No where near hidden as you make it out to be.

BL.

 

[sam_dean]

Umm..

1. Open a new Finder Window.
2. Command-Shift-U (or Go menu - Utilities)
3. Double click on Disk Utility.

Done. No where near hidden as you make it out to be.

BL.

You're missing the point.

Typical users would not think to use any of those steps much less know what "Disk Utility" is. Unless of course were having problems with their Mac and Google spat out "Disk Utility" to them as a solution. Then they learned something.

Again... go beyond the people you consider colleagues.

To a "dev" or related field... every person they talk shop with is a "dev".

 

[bradl]

You're missing the point.

Typical users would not think to use any of those steps much less know what "Disk Utility" is. Unless of course were having problems with their Mac and Google spat out "Disk Utility" to them as a solution. Then they learned something.

Again... go beyond the people you consider colleagues.

To a "dev" or related field... every person they talk shop with is a "dev".

I have. My wife is no computer expert by any means; in fact, she really can't be; she is legally blind. Even she knows what and where Disk Utility is. Perhaps you should not easily discredit those normal users you are pigeonholing to prove your point.

BL.

 

[sam_dean]

I have. My wife is no computer expert by any means; in fact, she really can't be; she is legally blind. Even she knows what and where Disk Utility is. Perhaps you should not easily discredit those normal users you are pigeonholing to prove your point.

BL.

I know of many differenlty abled persons who do much more than most people but they're the exception to the rule.

 

[bradl]

I know of many differenlty abled persons who do much more than most people but they're the exception to the rule.

The point here is that you have pigeonholed people into what you think they may or may not know without knowing anything about them or what they may or may not know. That is a bit disingenuous to those people and selling them rather very short. There is no rule to a person's knowledge, so one shouldn't be trying to force them into a bubble in which they do not fit.

BL.

 

[trevpimp]

I think with all the hype of Silicon- Apple is ready for their next big step in the tech market

It's only a matter of time until Apple prepares for the next big thing that can take advantage of their superior place in the race of technology

 

[sam_dean]

The point here is that you have pigeonholed people into what you think they may or may not know without knowing anything about them or what they may or may not know. That is a bit disingenuous to those people and selling them rather very short. There is no rule to a person's knowledge, so one shouldn't be trying to force them into a bubble in which they do not fit.

BL.

BL you remind me of people who watch zombie or plague movies and say that the characters in it were exaggerations that would never occur in real life.

Come COVID and the reaction of the general public proved them wrong.

So if you felt inferred to by how I characterized users then that is not my intent.

 

[dmccloud]

Dictators & their keys of sh_tholes tend to buy Apple products.

Do we discriminate against them as well?

I get you want to win an online discussion but let us not assume such things as it is somewhat discriminatory. ;-)

So we should accept your assumptions that every country has the same demographic breakdown as the US in terms of relative spending power and income levels? That is a big assumption on your part. Recognizing differences between countries or even sections within the same country is not discriminatory. I'm not sure why you keep trying to paint arguments that contradict your claims as "discriminatory", when you yourself have offhandedly made sweeping claims regarding the overall knowledge or ability of "typical" Mac users with regards to using the command line. I'll even refresh your memory of those sweeping generalizations...

To a non-nerd user that makes up ~80% of all users in all 195+ countries then yes.

Do not just think about people you see day to day within the towns/cities/communities you are in.

Funny that when someone brings forth arguments on a global level, you attempt to portray them as discriminatory when you yourself asked people to look at this from that very perspective.

 

[sam_dean]

So we should accept your assumptions that every country has the same demographic breakdown as the US in terms of relative spending power and income levels? That is a big assumption on your part. Recognizing differences between countries or even sections within the same country is not discriminatory. I'm not sure why you keep trying to paint arguments that contradict your claims as "discriminatory", when you yourself have offhandedly made sweeping claims regarding the overall knowledge or ability of "typical" Mac users with regards to using the command line. I'll even refresh your memory of those sweeping generalizations...



Funny that when someone brings forth arguments on a global level, you attempt to portray them as discriminatory when you yourself asked people to look at this from that very perspective.

You win the Internet. I won't argue with someone of a privileged background.

 

[dmccloud]

You win the Internet. I won't argue with someone of a privileged background.

That's just a nonsensical and irrelevant response that avoids addressing the points being made.

 

[maflynn]

To a non-nerd user that makes up ~80% of all users in all 195+ countries then yes.

Dude, you're just pulling numbers out of your butt. So you're saying 80% of all Mac users are non-nerds.
1. Define what you mean by non-nerd. (I'm assuming someone who doesn't knows the details of MacOS, and/or computer literate.
2. Provide evidence that 80% of all macs sold were to non-nerds

Apple sold 7 millions macs 4th quarters 2022, so using your math, worldwide only so 5.6 million of the 7 million were procured by people who have little to no understanding of macOS. That's ludicrous, you're just making up numbers to try to justify your position which is weak as hell.

Where I got my 7 million: Apple shipped seven million Macs despite market drop in 2022

Going back to Macs/iPad/etc. The CLI's pretty much hidden below so many folders that only people actually looking for it would actually find it.

For the sake of argument - I'm referencing the Mac, since we're mostly talking about Macs and no need to move the goalposts.

Two folders is "so many?" Really two folders constitute buried now? Its literally 3 clicks away. Most people I know, even the most ignorant in terms of technology and computers know have the ability to go two a single sub-folder. Stating the terminal is literally 3 clicks away

Also if you're trying to justify that cmd-space is something so complex, so unknown to the average non-nerd, you're really barking up the wrong tree. Spotlight searching is a core feature of macOS and 80% of all users in all 195+ countries knows and uses cmd-space. See what I did there, I made an unprovable statistic to make a point . Seriously though spotlight searches are a core feature of the OS that cannot be ignored to try to justify your position.

 

[Dismayed]

You're missing the point.

Typical users would not think to use any of those steps much less know what "Disk Utility" is. Unless of course were having problems with their Mac and Google spat out "Disk Utility" to them as a solution. Then they learned something.

Again... go beyond the people you consider colleagues.

To a "dev" or related field... every person they talk shop with is a "dev".

Perhaps users that are that unsophisticated should stick to etch-a-sketches.

 

[sam_dean]

Perhaps users that are that unsophisticated should stick to etch-a-sketches.

But Macs are the adult equivalent of it. That's how it was marketed in the 90s-onward.

 

[Dismayed]

But Macs are the adult equivalent of it. That's how it was marketed in the 90s-onward.

No, Macs are a bit more sophisticated than an etch-a-sketch. They have menus, so a bit more intellectual horsepower is required.

 

[sam_dean]

No, Macs are a bit more sophisticated than an etch-a-sketch. They have menus, so a bit more intellectual horsepower is required.

But not to the point of using CLI. ;-)

 

[Dismayed]

But not to the point of using CLI. ;-)

You’ll shoot your eye out!

 

[jwdearinger]

I play both Sins of a Solar Empire and Age of Empires 2 in parallels...

Hi @bcortens, how did you get AOE 2 to work in Parallels? You are talking about the Definitive Edition, right? When I pull it up in the MS Store, I get the not compatible with my processor warning saying it doesn't support 64x architecture. But I have a 16" MB Pro, M1 Pro chip

 

[Rafterman]

Building their own chips should have made Mac prices go down. They went up.

A lot of us used Intel Macs because they could also run 64 bit real Windows, not the ARM disaster MS hasd out. Run it both as VMs and natively. A lot of us were left behind with Mx chips.

 

[StellarVixen]

Building their own chips should have made Mac prices go down. They went up.

How much R&D money did it cost to make ASi reality?

Who’s gonna pay it off, and make profit on top of it?

(It’s us).

 

[Dismayed]

You win the Internet. I won't argue with someone of a privileged background.

That's the spirit! Quit while you're behind!

 

[bcortens]

Hi @bcortens, how did you get AOE 2 to work in Parallels? You are talking about the Definitive Edition, right? When I pull it up in the MS Store, I get the not compatible with my processor warning saying it doesn't support 64x architecture. But I have a 16" MB Pro, M1 Pro chip

I haven't tried running it on my M1Pro Mac but only on my Intel Mac.

I am running Age of Empires II HD Edition from steam on Windows 10

 

[leman]

Building their own chips should have made Mac prices go down. They went up.

Why would that be the case? Custom packaging and wide RAM interfaces aren’t cheap. Not to mention the R&D.

A lot of us used Intel Macs because they could also run 64 bit real Windows, not the ARM disaster MS hasd out. Run it both as VMs and natively. A lot of us were left behind with Mx chips.

Im sure there are some users who are bummed out because of lost x86 compat. Doubt there are a lot of them though. Mac sales went up after AS, not down, despite the lackluster lineup.