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eyoungren

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I know you and I don't see eye to eye on that :)

I think a lot is in what you're used to.

LOL! Yes. :D

I will admit that they can get kind of heavy on your lap and that in the summer (in Phoenix) when the CPU is busy you can be sweating quite a bit, but to me they are more comfortable than trying to keep a 15" or 12" on my lap.
 

Gamer9430

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Intell is awesome. Intell is amazing. Intell should start talking about Intell in the third person. Intell does indeed think this is a good idea. Intell is getting tripped up by all the various CPU maker spellings in this thread. Intell's head hurts. Intell out.


I thought Intell was inside, not out... :)

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Also, to add to the ARM discussion, I've been completely against the idea since the rumors first began. ARM is meant for tablets and phones, not full blown computers that people use for power. ARM will (at this moment in time) never catch on to be the next popular architecture like x86-x64. It simply isn't powerful enough and is not what it's purpose is. It's perfectly fine for tablets, smart phones, and other less powerful devices, but nobody in the professional field using Octa-Core MacPros is going to take a massive step back to ARM, it would be like going from a Bugatti Veron SS (fastest car in the world, tied with Hennase Venom) to a Toyota Prius, and no body would want to do that...
 

eyoungren

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OK. Mac came last night. Very nice!

Cleaned it up (why do sellers not clean up their Macs before they ship them out?!!!) and sat about to personalize it. Within the first 30 minutes I had replaced the 120GB HD with a 500GB HD.

In that time I somehow (thanks God!) managed to get the A1013 started and was therefore able to put the MBP in target disk mode and use CCC from the A1013 to clone it's HD.

That took about 5 hours. 73GB. I can only think of how much time this would have cost me if I'd been forced to use an external USB case.

Around 12:45am I rebooted the Mac into Leopard on my account. Pretty much nothing broke! Well, except Finder itself!

So, I decided just to upgrade it to SL. At 2:30 I went to bed after having finally booted into my account (yes, Geektool and Yahoo Widgets are working in Snow Leopard!!!) and got the Mac on my home network.

Right now I am finishing up upgrading to 10.6.8. Lots of little things to fix (I've already fixed Dropbox). This will be an over time work in progress.

The only problem is that I have found that the "D" and the "K" keys do not work. I've asked the seller if he would give me a new keyboard (the seller has a 30 day warranty on this Mac). We will see what the seller says.
 

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eyoungren

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Replacement keyboard ordered. $20.

Looks like the seller is willing to work with me, but I don't know how much he's willing to credit back.
 

Gamer9430

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nice job Erik. It looks really nice. Any plans to go past 10.6, or is that a comfortable place to be at?
 

eyoungren

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nice job Erik. It looks really nice. Any plans to go past 10.6, or is that a comfortable place to be at?
I've done some limited research on getting Lion on to unsupported Macs (of which this would be one).

However, I'm really not so sure I want to run Lion on it. From what I've seen it breaks some stuff and I just want the Mac to work.

So, for right now, no. Once I get comfortable with the ins and outs of things that may change however.
 

Gamer9430

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I've done some limited research on getting Lion on to unsupported Macs (of which this would be one).

However, I'm really not so sure I want to run Lion on it. From what I've seen it breaks some stuff and I just want the Mac to work.

So, for right now, no. Once I get comfortable with the ins and outs of things that may change however.


10.6 isnt bad, i actually liked it on my grandparent's iMac before i updated it to 10.8 one day. My Late '11 MBP came with Lion, however can run SL. Lion was pretty good and by far the most stable version of OS X I used. ML was a mess at first, but got progressively better. Mavericks was a little rough on the edges and some things were never fixed. Finally, Yosemite has plenty of issues as well, but its being fixed slowly. Lion and SL were both extremely smooth and fluent to use in my opinion.
 

redheeler

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I've done some limited research on getting Lion on to unsupported Macs (of which this would be one).

However, I'm really not so sure I want to run Lion on it. From what I've seen it breaks some stuff and I just want the Mac to work.

So, for right now, no. Once I get comfortable with the ins and outs of things that may change however.

You could always dual-boot the two, although a lot of Lion+ only apps do assume a 64-bit CPU
 

bunnspecial

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10.6 isnt bad, i actually liked it on my grandparent's iMac before i updated it to 10.8 one day. My Late '11 MBP came with Lion, however can run SL. Lion was pretty good and by far the most stable version of OS X I used. ML was a mess at first, but got progressively better. Mavericks was a little rough on the edges and some things were never fixed. Finally, Yosemite has plenty of issues as well, but its being fixed slowly. Lion and SL were both extremely smooth and fluent to use in my opinion.

I've not used SL extensively and have never used ML, but Lion was the first version of OS X I really learned. I actually like it a lot, and still have it on my black Macbook(most recent OS it will run).

I bought a copy of SL Server yesterday(a heck of a bargain at $19.99 still from Apple) and will be experimenting with it pretty extensively over the next few weeks.

Mavericks has been good to me, and I'm probably going to continue running it on my MBP until it's no longer supported. My White Macbook is running Yosemite, and I like some of the new features but can't stand the appearance.
 

MagicBoy

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I couldn't stand Lion, it was a Forstall inspired monstrosity and the only OS X I really don't like. Shipped with my late-2011 MBP. Acquired some Snow Leopard recovery discs from a early-2011 and re-installed that on it within a couple of weeks!

Intrigued about SL Server, might have to give them a call and get it installed on the Mac mini. Available online?
 

mikiotty

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I used to think that Lion was the worst release of OS X... but no. Yosemite is. Utter crap. Downgraded to Mavericks on my rMBP after 2 weeks.
Snow Leopard is the absolute best for Intel Macs, as Tiger is for PPC Macs. Lion was slow on traditional HDDs but quite fast on SSDs, and I actually liked it on my iMac until 10.7.2. I then downgraded to Snow Leopard until Mavericks came out.
 

MagicBoy

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IMO Yosemite is as good as 10.8/10.9. I've no major issues with it, other than the WiFi being a bit flaky in the initial release. I'm sold on the Continuity/Handover features.
 
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bse5150

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I have no issues with Yosemite either. It runs fine on my MBA and I'm going to install it on my MBP.

I agree that Tiger is the best for PPC. I will concede, however, that Leopard offers more functionality through more modern software.
 
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eyoungren

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10.6 isnt bad, i actually liked it on my grandparent's iMac before i updated it to 10.8 one day. My Late '11 MBP came with Lion, however can run SL. Lion was pretty good and by far the most stable version of OS X I used. ML was a mess at first, but got progressively better. Mavericks was a little rough on the edges and some things were never fixed. Finally, Yosemite has plenty of issues as well, but its being fixed slowly. Lion and SL were both extremely smooth and fluent to use in my opinion.
I had Lion on the MP here at work for all of twenty minutes or so when I booted it and upgraded to Mountain Lion.

Mavericks sucks. It's implementation of SMB2 means that after a certain period of time InDesign documents are no longer saveable to our Win2012 server.

We are forced to connect via SMB1 as a workaround. Yosemite fixed this, but it gave me the hideous icons.

Mavericks also removed labels, from which we determine what kind of ad we are dealing with.

Lion only allows you to size a window down to a minimum size. You can go no further. Until I figured out an Applescript I have been suffering with overlarge windows taking up lots of screen real estate.

So far Snow Leopard seems pretty nice!
 

MagicBoy

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10.6 is the last version of OS X to use Samba. 10.7/10.8 were just broken, I've not tested 10.9/10.10 as yet as most of our handful of Macs at work won't run it.
 
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eyoungren

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You could always dual-boot the two, although a lot of Lion+ only apps do assume a 64-bit CPU
Yeah, but I really hate partitioning the hard drive.

There's really some aspects of Lion I don't like so we'll see what happens here.

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SMB is the last version of OS X to use Samba. Anything 10.7/10.8 were just broken, I've not tested 10.9/10.10 as yet as most of our handful of Macs won't run it.
Our server is using SMB2. Which therein came our problem.

Before it was replaced last year, the previous server was only using SMB1. Which was just fine for the Leopard G5 and the MBP because it connected that way, no issue.

Enter the new server which is using SMB2 and now I've got issues with the MP saving InDesign files because unbeknownst to me it's now connecting to the new server via SMB2.

Fortunately, Yosemite fixed that - which is about the only good thing I can say about it.
 

bunnspecial

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Intrigued about SL Server, might have to give them a call and get it installed on the Mac mini. Available online?

You have to call, as only the client version is available online. They will mail you the physical media. I called yesterday, and mine is being delivered today.

Just be sure that the person you talk to understands that you want server. It wasn't an issue for me when I called, but it doesn't hurt to repeat it a couple of times just to make sure you both are on the same page.
 

weckart

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Intrigued about SL Server, might have to give them a call and get it installed on the Mac mini. Available online?

As bunn said, you have to call in. I was warned to expect a bit of a grilling as they were not supposed to be too keen on handing those out but in fact they were matter of fact about it and did not even ask why I needed one.

Best thing was that it cost the same as the client plus I got a sealed original set rather than those grotty white 'replacement discs' you see floating around the net.

Still selling for £30 at Cex so there was a time you could gave made a quick profit from it when it was fetching £50.
 

bunnspecial

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As bunn said, you have to call in. I was warned to expect a bit of a grilling as they were not supposed to be too keen on handing those out but in fact they were matter of fact about it and did not even ask why I needed one.

Best thing was that it cost the same as the client plus I got a sealed original set rather than those grotty white 'replacement discs' you see floating around the net.

Still selling for £30 at Cex so there was a time you could gave made a quick profit from it when it was fetching £50.

As I said, I ordered mine yesterday at about 11:30 AM, and it arrived here today at 4:35 PM(as per UPS). I'd call that pretty darn good service :)

BTW, the lady I talked with really didn't give me any trouble about buying it, other than some general information about how many computers it would be serving and if was for home or business(this was all after she'd processed the order).

They did charge me 6% to give the Governor of the Commonwealth his cut, but didn't charge shipping. That means that the total was $21.19.

I'll say it again-if there's any possibility of you using this in the future, get on the phone and order it now while Apple is still selling it for this price! I know many guys with newer Macs have been buying it and virtualizing it to retain Rosetta compatibility(apparently the EULA for server allows virtualizing, but the client version does not). It's great for me to put on an old Mini that I'm going to turn into a basic file server.
 

eyoungren

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Success!

I don't recall if I mentioned it in this thread, but the MBP arrived with a bad "D" and "K" key.

Since the seller offers a warranty and the Mac was in otherwise superb condition I asked the seller if he'd be amenable to sending me a new keyboard instead of me sending the Mac back over two non-functioning keys.

Alas, he does not sell parts. But he did agree to credit me back $20, which incidentally, was EXACTLY the cost of a keyoard I found for my model on eBay.

The interesting thing about that is that although it was advertised as a keyboard – they categorized it all wrong - which is probably why it did not get snapped up immediately.

The advertised it as a keyboard for a 17" MBP Air A1181. Now, as far as I can tell, there is NO A1181 model Mac. There is however, an A1181 battery replacement part number.

The picture was of the entire top case, not just the keyboard! Which is bizarre because the entire top cases I saw for my model were going for $40-80!

The pics looked right, so I snapped it up and it got here yesterday.

I'm a bull in a china shop when it comes to repairs some times and the top case was not in as good a condition as the current one. So, I swapped keyboards.

After last night and this morning, I've been inside the case three times, fixing three keys I managed to pull the scissors off of and getting this keyboard to fit flush, but I finally did it.

The third time in the case was because stupid me did not hook up the backlight cable correctly!

So…now I am typing this on a fully functioning keyboard with an awesomely strong backlight and everything is the way it's supposed to be.

Been a good week for Macs. Two near perfect Macs for not a lot of money! God is good!
 

ModernGPUG5

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Personally, I would have put a new logic board and upgraded the CPU and cache bank (yes, it requires a BGA reowork, but there are plenty of companies that will do it for you) in the A1013. The A1013 is the only AlBook that can take a Freescale 7457 and 2MiB of L3 cache. Because of its L3, even with the stock CPU and cache, the A1013 actually is faster than the 1.33GHz PowerBook and performs nearly as fasy as the 1.5GHz 'book. In general, 1MiB of cache gives a G4 50% more speed and 2MiB of cache gives double the performance vs having no L3 cache. In theory, with a 7457 set to 1.33GHz/1.67GHz and 2MiB of L3, it would have performed equally to a non-A1013 AlBook running at 2.67GHz (in processor reduced mode) or 3.33GHz (in proccesor high performance mode). With an upgraded CPU and cache, an A1013 blows away any other PowerBook and can compete with early MacBook Pros.
 
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