Interesting. Could be that a small portion of iPhones suffer from some defect? I haven’t experienced any thermal issues with my Pro and I’ve been pushing it fairly hard.
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iPhone 15 Pro Max Thermalgate (yup, it's happening): Pics of how you're coping
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Touche, if Apple actually releases a product that does what they claim it does and/or if they can actually admit when they screw up and not parlay the fix for that screw up into next year's "feature" will actually be the newsworthy thing.
My iPhone 15 Pro got very warm during the setup process while I was restoring from iCloud. It took over an hour for the heat to subside. Since that time (Monday 9/15) I have not had any heat related issues. I am not a heavy user with gaming. Watching games, or videos on such a small screen is just dumb in my opinion.
Maybe, but "a small portion" and it's both me and my wife's, four of my employees', and tons of people across the launch countries who all use it differently? Glad there are many that aren't experiencing it, of course, but that is not seeming likely, esp from the tear downs. The change in the internal frame and surface area for heat pipe type effect is seeming more likely.
Just a guy here trying to sync 50 photos on Weds morning after a clean, no migration set up on Friday...not gaming, nothing...
Could it be that the titanium is better at conducting heat from internals? Maybe on earlier phones the CPU was just being throttled as the heat could not be moved to the case. Now that the heat can be moved quicker from the CPU to the case the phone seems hot.
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Hi it’s Levorg from Apple marketing. Yeah I recommend you spend $1000 less on your iPhone. No I don’t get a bonus.
Do you even know what these “nm” means? It’s only describes that you can made chip which contains more transistors with the same size. You can use this to make it use less power with same performance or to make it using same amount of energy with more performance or something in between. A17 have 2GB more RAM, one GPU core more and much faster Neural Engine so guess which path Apple choose. Also they didn’t promised any battery increase so you can only blame pre launch rumors for your disappointment. I don’t have my 15 yet so can’t tell anything about thermals but based on that it doesn’t affect everyone I guess it could be some software issue. Time will tell. I usually had rocky experiences on my 8 plus after new iOS releases
Here is my piece.
I understand the folks assuming that people are exaggerating and creating unnecessary fuss over something that doesn't exist. I was on the same boat until today.
I have been having significant overheating and battery drains with my iPhone 15 Pro Max since the launch day. But I was more interpreting it as the apps not being optimised enough with the iOS 17 and iPhone 15s as I have been seeing the overheating and battery drains mostly with apps like Oura or Carrot using my background location excessively.
However then I realised the same thing happening with default iOS apps. To give an example, right now the battery percentage usage of Home & Lock Screen is 45% and I know that this is just not something that is suppose to happen.
Above this, I took a FaceTime call today, which after 5 mins, my phone started to heat up a lot and cause my camera to lag in a way that I had to turn off my camera because the other person was basically not seeing my video anymore. Again, this is something that is not suppose to happen.
I have AppleCare and I am not worried, worst case I will just ask for a replacement. But it is definitely disappointing that my iPhone 15 Pro Max that I paid 1400 euros is giving me issues that my iPhone 11 Pro Max was not giving.
So it is actually happening, and I really hope that it is just a software issue.
I understand the folks assuming that people are exaggerating and creating unnecessary fuss over something that doesn't exist. I was on the same boat until today.
I have been having significant overheating and battery drains with my iPhone 15 Pro Max since the launch day. But I was more interpreting it as the apps not being optimised enough with the iOS 17 and iPhone 15s as I have been seeing the overheating and battery drains mostly with apps like Oura or Carrot using my background location excessively.
However then I realised the same thing happening with default iOS apps. To give an example, right now the battery percentage usage of Home & Lock Screen is 45% and I know that this is just not something that is suppose to happen.
Above this, I took a FaceTime call today, which after 5 mins, my phone started to heat up a lot and cause my camera to lag in a way that I had to turn off my camera because the other person was basically not seeing my video anymore. Again, this is something that is not suppose to happen.
I have AppleCare and I am not worried, worst case I will just ask for a replacement. But it is definitely disappointing that my iPhone 15 Pro Max that I paid 1400 euros is giving me issues that my iPhone 11 Pro Max was not giving.
So it is actually happening, and I really hope that it is just a software issue.
Enough technobabble already!
Can’t you see facts have no bearing here?
This is a full-blown gate, my friend!
That’s why engineers invented thermal throttling. There will not be any “too late”. Your phone will just turn off in worst case scenario. Apple would have to fail it very badly to make phones start blowing up. I think that they learned their lesson after Galaxy Note 7
My 15 Pro Max got warm during initial restore from iCloud for maybe 30 minutes. I sat the iPhone down next to me while I got ready. By the time I picked it back up it was fine and continues to run fine and cool.
Wow, tons of hugely inaccurate assumptions here. Where should I start?
First, hey, if it's a "first world problem" to want my $1,599 device to do what it's supposed to that last year's $1,599 device did without messing it up that it was supposed to replace and be better than, sure, I'll take that label if you want to throw it around.
It'd actually suggest your cavalier attitude towards money, the value of it, is actually the first world problem. Some of us actually work hard for our money and expect (nay, need) to get the value out of it we were promised. I don't know about you, but "won't sync iCloud Photos while charging on a cable and not even being used at room temperature not in the sun at all" was not part of the Apple promise, IMO.
Second, again, you're seriously blaming the users? You should apply for Apple PR/Support, because you're nailing it (except, it seems you can't/don't care to read, or even look at the image, so maybe not so good in support?): I wasn't even using the phone. I had it on my desk, plugged in (not even wireless charging), and it flat out stopped syncing b/c it was too hot, literally not using it and it throttled itself and couldn't perform background tasks that it literally is supposed to do in the background when plugged in (like sync iCloud Photos). I don't even have any social networks loaded on my phone, because, well, I work for a living and why would I want to scroll through pictures of people's lunch, anyway so Meta can monetize my eyeballs?
So, please, do tell, what else am I "doing wrong"? Am I not letting it rest on my desk, out of the sun, in a regular room temperature room "right"? What else about "the way I use it" are you going to find to blame? Because, well, we'd never be able to admit here that, maybe, somehow, somewhere, every new Apple product isn't perfect, ground breaking, or that Apple might just have entirely screwed something up for no good reason and taken a step back in usability. Nah, that'd NEVER happen. I'm definitely holding it wrong, right?
Nope, Apple screws up plenty, but the fanboi crowd has no desire to actually be in touch with reality on that.
www.wired.com
Or, when Apple screwed up the keyboards in the MBPs and went back to the old one design, but marketed it as some kind of incredible innovation/feature.
Watch, next year's keynote will be "incredible thermal performance! no throttling any more! so pro!", when, well, I've never had an iPhone Pro Max throttle under anything but direct sun (which makes sense) until now, when it throttles if you even look at it sideways in a cold, dark room after not using it for an hour while it just tries to sync photos over perfect WiFi and Cellular that the 14PM right next to it handled just fine.
But please, enlighten me with how "the way I use it" is the problem.
First, hey, if it's a "first world problem" to want my $1,599 device to do what it's supposed to that last year's $1,599 device did without messing it up that it was supposed to replace and be better than, sure, I'll take that label if you want to throw it around.
It'd actually suggest your cavalier attitude towards money, the value of it, is actually the first world problem. Some of us actually work hard for our money and expect (nay, need) to get the value out of it we were promised. I don't know about you, but "won't sync iCloud Photos while charging on a cable and not even being used at room temperature not in the sun at all" was not part of the Apple promise, IMO.
Second, again, you're seriously blaming the users? You should apply for Apple PR/Support, because you're nailing it (except, it seems you can't/don't care to read, or even look at the image, so maybe not so good in support?): I wasn't even using the phone. I had it on my desk, plugged in (not even wireless charging), and it flat out stopped syncing b/c it was too hot, literally not using it and it throttled itself and couldn't perform background tasks that it literally is supposed to do in the background when plugged in (like sync iCloud Photos). I don't even have any social networks loaded on my phone, because, well, I work for a living and why would I want to scroll through pictures of people's lunch, anyway so Meta can monetize my eyeballs?
So, please, do tell, what else am I "doing wrong"? Am I not letting it rest on my desk, out of the sun, in a regular room temperature room "right"? What else about "the way I use it" are you going to find to blame? Because, well, we'd never be able to admit here that, maybe, somehow, somewhere, every new Apple product isn't perfect, ground breaking, or that Apple might just have entirely screwed something up for no good reason and taken a step back in usability. Nah, that'd NEVER happen. I'm definitely holding it wrong, right?
Nope, Apple screws up plenty, but the fanboi crowd has no desire to actually be in touch with reality on that.
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There’s an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor’s response? “Stop moving it that way.” That pretty much sums up Apple’s response to the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left hand can...
Or, when Apple screwed up the keyboards in the MBPs and went back to the old one design, but marketed it as some kind of incredible innovation/feature.
Watch, next year's keynote will be "incredible thermal performance! no throttling any more! so pro!", when, well, I've never had an iPhone Pro Max throttle under anything but direct sun (which makes sense) until now, when it throttles if you even look at it sideways in a cold, dark room after not using it for an hour while it just tries to sync photos over perfect WiFi and Cellular that the 14PM right next to it handled just fine.
But please, enlighten me with how "the way I use it" is the problem.
You Apple fanboys are something else. Any time a number of people gather together on social media to talk about legitimate issues they're facing, you call it "traffic-driving clickbait". Or you blame users for using their phone wrong. Or claim that they're attention seeking.
Y'all are gaslighting people's legitimate issues. It's disgusting. The way you blame people reminds me of the garbage-level humanity found on 4chan.
You're absolutely right, they're dishonest bastards who will more or less kick you in the groin while keeping that fake Tim Cook smile they are forced to keep.
But, to be fair if you were holding it wrong, you got a free bumper.
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These Apple apologists are a joke. It’s like they want to read about troubleshooting and soft resets.
In my book, DFU stands for Don’t F*** Up!
You're damn right I'm "attention seeking", I (and *tons* of other people) paid $1,599 for a device that was supposedly better than last year's $1,599 device it replaces and want the $1,599 of value from it.
I know, so unreasonable that I'd want attention on a matter like that (and, no turning it off/on, reloading, restoring, etc didn't fix mine, my wife's, or four of my employees' that also throttle in situations the 14PM has no problem with).
But keep finding ways to blame the user, rather than the actual design: the tear downs show reduced surface area internally to move heat to the frame, but, no, couldn't be that, because Apple is perfect, right?
www.wired.com
or the keyboards they screwed up and went back to the old design and called it a "feature" and an "improvement" when it was actually a fix for what they screwed up bc they wanted to shave 0.02" off the MBP...not to dissimilar here: they saved 15g by cutting out material and moving to Ti....gee, 15 whole grams? Good bye back issues from that heavy iPhone 14 (hahahaha).
I know, so unreasonable that I'd want attention on a matter like that (and, no turning it off/on, reloading, restoring, etc didn't fix mine, my wife's, or four of my employees' that also throttle in situations the 14PM has no problem with).
But keep finding ways to blame the user, rather than the actual design: the tear downs show reduced surface area internally to move heat to the frame, but, no, couldn't be that, because Apple is perfect, right?
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There’s an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor’s response? “Stop moving it that way.” That pretty much sums up Apple’s response to the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left hand can...
or the keyboards they screwed up and went back to the old design and called it a "feature" and an "improvement" when it was actually a fix for what they screwed up bc they wanted to shave 0.02" off the MBP...not to dissimilar here: they saved 15g by cutting out material and moving to Ti....gee, 15 whole grams? Good bye back issues from that heavy iPhone 14 (hahahaha).
This “technobabble” is what gives you your iPhone, internet, cars and fresh water in tap. It’s not magic but also not simple “2+2=4”.
These are facts which I see: some users are experiencing overheating issues. Some doesn’t. I cannot assess any numbers about quantity of incidents (but usually people which are unsatisfied are louder about giving their opinions) so even assuming it’s 50/50 you can’t tell that’s for sure problem with hardware. They could be multiple reasons of what is the cause.
So at this moment I can only advise to return phone if you are not satisfied. You have right to do it but making stories about “it’s a lie. 3nm doesn’t exist” it’s just ridiculous. I can guarantee that Apple would never do this because it’s too easy to prove that
I don't know anything about this, but you should probably also talk directly with Apple? Maybe it's a defected unit.
Something like the heatsink (or whatever heat dispensing mechanism exists in the phone) could be installed better with more/less paste. That can cause the heat to get trapped.
Something like the heatsink (or whatever heat dispensing mechanism exists in the phone) could be installed better with more/less paste. That can cause the heat to get trapped.
I got this message a few times on my Pro and her Pro Max. This one was on an Apple Magsafe charger at home but I also get it a lot in an air conditioned car on wired charging. No apps or tasks running, just charging.
I'm not panicking over it or anything. But I am pretty concerned because we hit 110+ in the summer so I'm curious if this will be an issue next year.
I'm not panicking over it or anything. But I am pretty concerned because we hit 110+ in the summer so I'm curious if this will be an issue next year.
Decadent, sure! But at 41 years old, after growing up to poor-ass parents, spending enough time paycheck to paycheck, and saving up to move up the ladder (with a lot of help from people around me, no one does anything alone, I'm not trying to pay myself on the back too hard here), yeah, I'm not going to make any apologies for spending $1,599 on a phone every year (or being able to, for that matter) that I use 80% for work, anyway, too. But I sure as hell want value out of it, because if I don't, I'd much rather package up that $1,599 and send it somewhere it is useful that is not Cupertino.
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There are plenty of experts here who will find no shortage of things you are doing to wrong to deserve this message/create this problem. They are more than happy to "help".
Apple said this is "normal" and "maybe addressed in the future with an update to further optimize charging, sync, and temperature".
There are enough people experiencing this that it will likely elicit some form of a response and I'll likely get the unit swapped out then, yes. But that doesn't actually address the issue that they boxed the thermals in pretty badly with reduction in surface area internally, there's no software fix for that, that's just defective design...not thermal paste issues.
There are enough people experiencing this that it will likely elicit some form of a response and I'll likely get the unit swapped out then, yes. But that doesn't actually address the issue that they boxed the thermals in pretty badly with reduction in surface area internally, there's no software fix for that, that's just defective design...not thermal paste issues.
Same happened to me this summer on my 8 plus in apartment. Seems like global warming 😅
Thermalgate or not ーphone manufactures have to start thinking more about thermals since we reached point of performance of small gaming PC in our pockets
Because I loathe lightning and the time it takes to transfer photos or videos over USB2 or even WiFi and with 5x zoom I can finally put the point-and-shoot RX100 I carry down and go phone-only for most travel/trips.
10gbs over USB-C was three+ years overdue (thanks EU, wish you didn't need to intervene, but glad you finally did when it was obvious the "not-so-free market" had failed)
the 15 is the 14 with USB-C a tweaked button, 5x zoom, and worse thermals, basically. Give me a 14PM with USB-C and I'll go back, throw the pentaprism in there, too.
The titanium and reduction in internal frame area was vanity to save 15g and be able to say "titanium" in marketing materials because consumers go crazy when you say "titanium".
10gbs over USB-C was three+ years overdue (thanks EU, wish you didn't need to intervene, but glad you finally did when it was obvious the "not-so-free market" had failed)
the 15 is the 14 with USB-C a tweaked button, 5x zoom, and worse thermals, basically. Give me a 14PM with USB-C and I'll go back, throw the pentaprism in there, too.
The titanium and reduction in internal frame area was vanity to save 15g and be able to say "titanium" in marketing materials because consumers go crazy when you say "titanium".
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