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Percentages and ratios are important when it's close competition, but that's not what this is. If your album sold 10 million copies in 10 weeks and mine sold 1 million in a few days, have I done better than you? No. Quantity matters more here.
As for the Mac vs PC sales, Mac hardware is PC hardware, it can run Windows. I don't see how people make the distinction anymore.
Seriously??
Please don't run a major tech company. Ever.
Correction . . . you'd fit right in at Acer.
Wouldn't profitability be a better measure?
Selling more is less meaningful if the company selling less, in terms of volume, is making more profit.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/28/apple-microsoft-profit/
Exactly, the only difference is the OS. Apple must be doing something right given that Mac sales growth has been greater than Windows PCs for 19 consecutive quarters.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...for-nearly-five-years-aided-by-enterprise.ars
Seriously. If I run Windows on a Mac and a similarly specced pc, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference without looking at the case the hardware is in. How are they different? And no, before you try bring it up, the case doesn't improve performance.
I'd be curious to see a comparison of Apples profit from the OS alone (which is what's being compared here, not hardware) to Microsofts profit from Windows. I'd bet my iPhone that MS still comes out on top. I guess it's a personal choice as to what you see is the most accurate measurement of success, all I know is I'd rather be the guy making a huge, unchanging profit every year than the guy who makes a small percentage of that which grows slightly over time.
You missed my point completely. See the reply to *LTD* above.
You missed the part where Apple makes more profit than Microsoft.
So, referring to Apple's profit as a small percentage relative to Microsoft's profit is inaccurate.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/28/apple-microsoft-profit/
Wow, Mac OS X is so good that users buy Macs just to run OS X when they don't have to run Windows for compliance reasons.
Luckily, Macs largest growth is occurring in the large business and government segments where these compliance issues exist. With enough growth of both OS X and iOS in these segments, the compliance issues will be eliminated as these segments strive to better integrate these platforms into their infrastructure. Much of the compliance issues will be eliminated by more software used in these segments becoming cross platform.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...for-nearly-five-years-aided-by-enterprise.ars
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No more OS X versus Windows or Apple vs Microsoft or Apple versus Hardware makers in this thread! It's ridiculous.
That's overall profit, from hardware, iOS, and OSX combined. We aren't talking about iOS or hardware here. How much profit does Apple make from OSX only? How much does MS make from Windows only? The rest is irrelevant.
Sorry, I'll stop now
Sure, I see your point.
It is hard to make a completely equivalent comparison given the differences in business models between the two companies.
Hard to argue that Apple's business model isn't more successful at the moment.
I'ma let you finish but NONE of what you just mentioned has anything to do with what we are talking about, never mind the original topic.
So on the topic of getting back to the topic... in the latest blog post they mention that they want to use groups on the start screen and essentially zoom out to see all your groups and in to see a groups live tiles better (Live tiles are said to be anything form contacts to a certain level in a game).
No folders because "folders are a way of burying things, not organizing them". This makes sense given the point of Live Tiles is to display information. Groups replace the need for folders.
Also you can see 24 Live Tiles on the start screen. I think any frequently used Tiles will fit there so the scrolling on the screen isn't going to be a huge issue with a mouse and kb since you wont be doing it that much. The current Start menu only shows about that many lines also.
The bulk is: The new start menu is not worse than the current because the new does not interrupt your flow any more than the current start menu does (Opening and closing the start menu can still be done with just the windows key. the redesigned start menu is as good as the current start menu in that it can display as many applications/LiveTiles either way. The start menu is better because in doing so it shows more information.
No folders because "folders are a way of burying things, not organizing them". This makes sense given the point of Live Tiles is to display information. Groups replace the need for folders.
Also you can see 24 Live Tiles on the start screen. I think any frequently used Tiles will fit there so the scrolling on the screen isn't going to be a huge issue with a mouse and kb since you wont be doing it that much. The current Start menu only shows about that many lines also.
The bulk is: The new start menu is not worse than the current because the new does not interrupt your flow any more than the current start menu does (Opening and closing the start menu can still be done with just the windows key. the redesigned start menu is as good as the current start menu in that it can display as many applications/LiveTiles either way. The start menu is better because in doing so it shows more information.
I'm confused.. So are these 'groups' the replacement for folders? As in, that is how you organise your documents and media? Or is that relating to something else? (also, is the start screen the Metro homepage? Sorry, I'm not familiar with all the terms you're using
)I'm confused.. So are these 'groups' the replacement for folders? As in, that is how you organise your documents and media? Or is that relating to something else? (also, is the start screen the Metro homepage? Sorry, I'm not familiar with all the terms you're using
The Start Menu is the green thing you've been seeing with the Live Tiles. I think it's what you're referring to as the Metro homepage.
Groups are nothing more than a title on top of some Live Tiles UNTIL you will (supposedly) zoom out to see an overview:
Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up
That seems to be a logical way to do things then. My only concern would be that your home screen would fill up pretty quickly.
One thing I'd really like to see is media controls as a part of Metro, like constant previous, play/pause/next controls at the top or bottom of the screen that you could link to a media player of your choice.
IMO the start menu is beautiful when you use it on your own screen with its vibrant colors. My parents were blown away when they saw me using it while I was home. Both dont care about tech a ton and my dad who uses an ipad was really impressed.
It is your opinion though, but IMO your opinion is strongly tied to your bias against Microsoft.
Thankfully as you are so fond of saying, the opinions of those on MacRumors are meaningless and don't represent the general public. Yourself included.
My sources aren't Mac Rumors geek polls.
You don't quote sources. You post your opinion and pretend like it is fact. And we all know what opinions are like.
There are a few exceptions. Unfortunately, the haters are so many in number now that those who do appeal to reality are a minority around here.
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Now I like that zooming ability for the start screen. In addition if it can remember my last zoom level every time I log in, that would be perfect.
I think that a lot of people who appear to be haters here really aren't, ie, I don't think they hate Apple products. I think some of them don't like the attitude of the company or the rabid fanboys. Apple makes some excellent products, I don't see how anyone can honestly say otherwise.
Thats exactly it I think, but the issue is that certain people take anything thats pro-Microsoft or not pro-Apple as insults which then causes some quick remarks which lead to arguments over the tiniest things in OS X, Windows, or another company/product.
Uh no - Apple makes the cruddiest products in existence*.
* I said that to rile up certain people.