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StefanR.

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um No you don't. That's the whole point. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't need to make a mountain out of a molehill.


what for you is a mountain maybe for others is not ;)

you should read more careful, I did not say that I dont like the product,
I like the product very much, but I want it in good conditions, and I know that it is possible to get it in good conditions, like the MBP and MB I have here...

so, all the ones who have a perfect product should be happy, they should also understand that there are others who are worried...

I for myself see it very easy, love to read the reactions here :D

I will change my one maybe two times more, since I like the product :D
if then there is still no solution --> refund from apple....
 

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Didn't someone here already contact Apple's cupertino office and even sent them their macbook air?

Apple's verdict was its within spec. If that's the case, why still all the fuss 09872738??? you can't call it faulty if its been investigated by Apple.

You´re kidding?
It´s not the first time Apple claimed something within spec, just to have to admit later there IS something wrong. As long as there are bad displays, causing headaches and more, my advice simply is: don´t spend 2500 dollars for such a product.

Of course, it´s Apples decision to sell such things, but don´t expect me to tell people everything´s allright.
I am in fact an Apple fan, but this fact doesn´t mean i accept each crap they feed me with. I would buy an MBA immediately, even at the really high premium price Apple charges, but i expect a product that generally is worth its price. My opinion is: Apple has failed in this concern. As Mr. Jobs said during the latest keynote, the display a notebook features is key. He also promised a gorgeous display. Keep in mind, these are Mr. Jobs words, not mine. Sorry, but looking at the pictures (see page 6) and reading the complains here and at the official apple forums, i cannot see the display Mr. Jobs was talking about.

Its as simple as that.
 

mrcharlie91

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So..

Before I make my purchase, apple officially said faint and flickring screens are normal and if I get the one with the crap screen it's normal and I can't return or exchange?
 

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Before I make my purchase, apple officially said faint and flickring screens are normal and if I get the one with the crap screen it's normal and I can't return or exchange?

Reports say, you can exchange or get a refund, if you like, but don´t expect a replacement without these issues and don´t expect these issues to be fixed
 

StefanR.

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Before I make my purchase, apple officially said faint and flickring screens are normal and if I get the one with the crap screen it's normal and I can't return or exchange?



"officially" ?? ;)) where? somebody here got an answer on the phone, thats nothing official.
 

lincolnchee

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Guys, when I was connecting my MBA to the projector, I noticed that I can change the resolution and refresh rate of the projector. Well, is there any way to change the refresh rate of my screen instead? It could be the refresh-rate that cause the headache or giddiness.

Anyway, this is a picture taken by one of the posters (Post #87):
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33933&d=1130818514

This is exactly what I see !!!
 

ulim

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Got mine today. No four finger swipe, but the display is fine. No horizontal lines at all.

I did have a situation, where there was intermittent screen flickering. Nothing enduring, just a very short flash-like flick every once in a while. It may have to do with some interferences here, as I could not reproduce it. Or perhaps because I was playing a little with the MagSafe, plugging and unplugging it several times. Will keep an eye on it.
 

dogg

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Guys, when I was connecting my MBA to the projector, I noticed that I can change the resolution and refresh rate of the projector. Well, is there any way to change the refresh rate of my screen instead? It could be the refresh-rate that cause the headache or giddiness.

Anyway, this is a picture taken by one of the posters (Post #87):
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33933&d=1130818514

This is exactly what I see !!!
You can install SwitchResX to change the refresh rate, but it doesn't help. Already tried it.
 

h1d

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By reading the entire thread... (And no, I don't have 2nd gen yet, because this thread stopped me from getting one, but I do have a 1st gen.)

- Four finger swipes are caused by non US keyboard layout. At the same time, never seen any exception report on this, so, wait for the update from Apple and stop complaining for the 50th time and keep your Air if that is your only concern, you have a better chance of getting screwed display if you do swap it.

- If your Air is perfect. Great! We don't need same person saying 'hey, mine works, what's going on???' 10 times. Let's keep it for practical reports and findings. It looks as if you are playing cards when your bud got caught on a death sentence because you weren't caught in the same accident. It does get annoying over time.

- So far, there's no way to tell which Air model (of 2nd gen) produces the problem. All of week 43-47 (of reported models) either have screwed display and not.

- Display models seems to be all same.

- Seems to happen worldwide, but the thread hasn't identified if the produced factory had anything to do with it (If it's even verifiable.)

- If you want a sample screenshot, this post is the best so far.

- Old models of PowerBook or some sort had similar problems in the past.

- Some people contacted Apple and they recieved that the problem will be fixed by firmware upgrade and another response was 'Within Spec (TM)' crap. So, basically nothing conclusive from Apple thus far by reading the thread.

- Apple Store staff seems usually clueless on the topic. (I've been there myself, asked for 2nd gen Air about four finger swipe and line problem, they go 'huh? (For first 3 minutes) oh... I see, didn't know that...'

- Reasons to believe it's a hardware problem are,

1. Everyone has same software/firmware but results differ.
2. Before the system boots, the line is visible on the Apple logo screen.
3. Someone tried on bootcamp and still saw it. (IIRC) (Which means, both Mac/Windows drivers are at fault or the hardware.)

- We don't know if this is the display or the new nvidia chip's problem but does it happen on new MB and MBP too? (Didn't see any obvious observation about this in the thread as far as I remember.)

- Such a problem on a premium product is just way uncool. And one reason to believe on the cause is that Chinese workers in the factories were all watching the olympics during the display production and let faulty display through. (But it's a joke of course...)

- Apple please fix this already and stop letting us pay extra to buy defects. If 10.5.6 suddenly fixes it, that will make us more patient next time.
 

tommi80

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Got mine today. No four finger swipe, but the display is fine. No horizontal lines at all.

I did have a situation, where there was intermittent screen flickering. Nothing enduring, just a very short flash-like flick every once in a while. It may have to do with some interferences here, as I could not reproduce it. Or perhaps because I was playing a little with the MagSafe, plugging and unplugging it several times. Will keep an eye on it.

Sounds good :)
Which week number has your MBA?

The intermittent screen flickering could be caused by the ambient light sensor. It might be to sensitive... Try to turn the sensor off (System Prefs -> Displays -> Automatically adjust brightnes...) and keep an eye on it. (if the problem is the sensor, this could be fixed by a software update IMHO).
 

09872738

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By reading the entire thread... ...
- Apple please fix this already and stop letting us pay extra to buy defects. If 10.5.6 suddenly fixes it, that will make us more patient next time.

Excellent summary, you got the point(s)!
 

chris11

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Photo?!

- If you want a sample screenshot, this post is the best so far.

Hi,

I'm a long time reader of this forum, but never posted. I've registered
just now to post one single doubt I have.

Why is there not a single photo of the *AIR* showing the faint lines?

The above screenshot is from a *MacBook Pro*, and the other screenshot
shown a few times around here is a *PowerBook running Tiger*.

I'm interested in this, because I'm about to get an Air ordered
Nov 3 (sic!) and I'd like to check it out in the store when it (finally)
arrives.

Bye,
Chris.
 

zer0tails

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Hi,

I'm a long time reader of this forum, but never posted. I've registered
just now to post one single doubt I have.

Why is there not a single photo of the *AIR* showing the faint lines?

The above screenshot is from a *MacBook Pro*, and the other screenshot
shown a few times around here is a *PowerBook running Tiger*.

I'm interested in this, because I'm about to get an Air ordered
Nov 3 (sic!) and I'd like to check it out in the store when it (finally)
arrives.

Bye,
Chris.

yeah, I would like to see some proper pics of this "problem" as well. The ones who have the problem rave about it constantly so it'll be nice to actually see the problem.
 

HLdan

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By reading the entire thread... (And no, I don't have 2nd gen yet, because this thread stopped me from getting one, but I do have a 1st gen.)


- If your Air is perfect. Great! We don't need same person saying 'hey, mine works, what's going on???' 10 times. Let's keep it for practical reports and findings. It looks as if you are playing cards when your bud got caught on a death sentence because you weren't caught in the same accident. It does get annoying over time.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!

You just said on your first paragraph that you didn't buy Rev B because the complaints stopped you. Look dude, telling people that have no problems to stop posting is stupid. By hiding the fact they have no problems only leaves room for the complaints and believe me many of the same posters repeat over and over the same issues to make certain it gets buried into our brains that their problems do exist.
The people having no problems should do the same thing until it gets buried into our heads that not every machine out their is defective.
If we conceal the good reports and only reveal the complaints then potential buyers will only get scared off. That's the main thing bad about MR is that the complainers don't like it when people report good experiences. They fear that their complaints will get overshadowed. Live with it.
 

Ironic

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In my MBA!
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!

You just said on your first paragraph that you didn't buy Rev B because the complaints stopped you. Look dude, telling people that have no problems to stop posting is stupid. By hiding the fact they have no problems only leaves room for the complaints and believe me many of the same posters repeat over and over the same issues to make certain it gets buried into our brains that their problems do exist.
The people having no problems should do the same thing until it gets buried into our heads that not every machine out their is defective.
If we conceal the good reports and only reveal the complaints then potential buyers will only get scared off. That's the main thing bad about MR is that the complainers don't like it when people report good experiences. They fear that their complaints will get overshadowed. Live with it.


^^^^^ my thoughts exactly^^^^^^
 

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If we conceal the good reports and only reveal the complaints then potential buyers will only get scared off.

Exactly! Would YOU be happy if you spend 2500 dollars and receive a bad product? What would you say, if anyone yells "live with it!" at you? They shall be scared off, until Apple stops shipping faulty products!

That's the main thing bad about MR is that the complainers don't like it when people report good experiences. They fear that their complaints will get overshadowed. Live with it.

You don´t get it. According to the poll, more than half of the MBAs are defective. Not a single replacement unit was without fault to date.

I would recommend NOT to buy a product for that high price at that low quality.

The only way to force Apple to fix the faults is: don´t buy!
I´m happy for anyone who received a good MBA, but nevertheless i´d more care about those, whose MBAs were defective and didn´t get a fix or a replacement without a fault. EVERYBODY who pays 2500 dollars has the right to get a good product, not only the 50 (or less) lucky percent ...
 

WorldIRC

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Will the Apple Store charge their restocking fee if the MBA is returned within their 14 days based on this screen defect? My MBA, as much as I love it, is beginning to give me a headache.
 

StefanR.

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Will the Apple Store charge their restocking fee if the MBA is returned within their 14 days based on this screen defect? My MBA, as much as I love it, is beginning to give me a headache.


they will charge you anything, they pick it up from your place and send you a new one. tomorrow my second Air will go back.

I was working and surfing around this morning with the Air, eye burning...

this afternoon and night with the MBP, nothing, what a relive for the eyes...
 

WorldIRC

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they will charge you anything, they pick it up from your place and send you a new one. tomorrow my second Air will go back.

I was working and surfing around this morning with the Air, eye burning...

this afternoon and night with the MBP, nothing, what a relive for the eyes...

I actually bought mine from the Apple store locally. They don't have any replacement units and knowing that even the replacement units are defective I wanna know if I can just return it and wait for them to fix their issues before I rebuy?
 

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I actually bought mine from the Apple store locally. They don't have any replacement units and knowing that even the replacement units are defective I wanna know if I can just return it and wait for them to fix their issues before I rebuy?

Depends on where you live...
 

Kalmia

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I thought I'd go ahead and share my in-store MBA experience for the benefit of those of you who are on the fence about this issue. My main machine is a (rather large and heavy) MacBook Pro, so I'm interested in having the MBA as a portable machine for e-mail, web, and some light gaming and/or graphics work. Having read this thread, though, I wanted to be sure that I would get a quality screen, so I traveled to Brandon Apple Store (about 1.5 hours away) to talk to the staff and play with the MBAs before committing to one.

The staff member who met and assisted me first was very understanding of my concerns and said that if I were to go ahead and purchase an MBA, I could open it in the store and return it if the screen was not to my standards. The revision B MBA that I used at the front of the store looked, based on my cursory inspection, to have a good screen. The patterned images in this thread all passed and didn't display any flickering or strange discrepancies, and the screen otherwise looked okay, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the new MBA. When I opened it up and turned it on, though, the "texture" was immediately visible on the gray startup screen, and I knew I'd gotten a bad display.

There has been some concern that people can't tell which displays are affected and which aren't, and, indeed, the Apple Store employees who all came around to look confessed that they hadn't heard of or noticed the problem before. From an average viewing distance, it definitely carries the appearance of a texture/grain more than horizontal bars, as they're slightly angled and have a granulated, pixeled appearance. They are not opaque, and their appearance varies depending on what is being displayed on the screen. I was able to see them most easily by opening a website with a white background, setting the machine on a table, titling the display to a regular viewing angle, and looking at the lower half of the display. The white is bright at top brightness settings, but once your eyes have adjusted, the texture is pretty plainly visible. It is definitely a far departure from my MacBook Pro, which displays solid areas of color in a consistent smooth shade.

Everyone had a different way of describing the issue. I thought the "recycled paper" descriptor was pretty accurate. One employee described it as looking like "parchment." A customer at the Genius Bar with me was able to spot the issue immediately without it being pointed out to her, and she said it looked as though the screen was dirty. I think all of these are true to some extent.

I considered my options for a bit, as a MacBook Air is really what I want, and compromising on another machine wasn't going to suffice. One of the employees who was assisting me at this point called out a manager, and another employee brought over a revision A MacBook Air to compare the displays. As it turned out, this revision A MBA had the same display issue. Walking over to the display MBAs confirmed that the display revision A MBA had lines, as well. The store display model I'd used originally (the revision B) was occupied by a customer, so I wasn't able to compare it to my model to see if it had the problems, after all. I can't confidently say that it didn't, though it definitely looked better than the display from my purchased MBA.

Once the manager came over, we chatted a bit; I showed him the issue, and he acknowledged that something was happening there, and it was definitely not up to the standards of my pristine MacBook Pro display. He suggested that it might be a difference in the integrated graphics versus the dedicated graphics, but when I observed that the floor MacBooks did not have the same issue, he seemed genuinely puzzled. He did state that no one else had pointed out such an issue before, which surprised me a little, but probably more than it should have.

Anyway, it was definitely a deal breaker, by the end of it. The effect is pretty jarring, and my shopping companions and I all had slight headaches within minutes of using the display, so I returned the machine for a full refund. There isn't any other machine I'm considering for portable use at this point, so I'm holding out hope that this issue will be addressed. I'm not sure what the best way to proceed is, though. I'll be heading out sometime this week to Best Buy to check out their display models. Staff permitting, I hope to return with news, photos, and specs, whether they're affected or not. I will let you all know!

(As an aside, I can't give the Brandon Apple Store staff enough credit for being so understanding and accommodating throughout my visit. Kudos to them! :apple: Now, if we can just get corporate and retail on the same page regarding this issues, we'll be in a very good place.)
 

Ironic

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In my MBA!
Exactly! Would YOU be happy if you spend 2500 dollars and receive a bad product? What would you say, if anyone yells "live with it!" at you? They shall be scared off, until Apple stops shipping faulty products!



You don´t get it. According to the poll, more than half of the MBAs are defective. Not a single replacement unit was without fault to date.

I would recommend NOT to buy a product for that high price at that low quality.

The only way to force Apple to fix the faults is: don´t buy!
I´m happy for anyone who received a good MBA, but nevertheless i´d more care about those, whose MBAs were defective and didn´t get a fix or a replacement without a fault. EVERYBODY who pays 2500 dollars has the right to get a good product, not only the 50 (or less) lucky percent ...

I would take a 50/50 chance it not like you can't return it?
Hey I agree but you are beating this issue to death saying not to buy one!
LOL,, Really you can buy one at a store, and if you are not happy return it, could not be any easier than that.
 
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