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iPhone XR things nobody told you about the xr

You keep banging on about Android phones and OLED. I’m not interested in Android at all. This a Mac forum and I’m talking about the XR.

I upgrade every year or every other. This year is the first time I’m not going to bother. For me and my use the screen is one of the most important aspects. The ‘upgrade’ choice for me is either an XR or an X Max. The XR’s screen is sub standard in comparison to the plus phones I’ve either had or still own and the Max leans heavily towards the expensive side. Either way Apple is pulling my pants down.

So as a plus user I have to go with a Max or stay as I am. Sorry, the XR just doesn’t cut it. If I was coming from a non plus phone then yes I’d be on the XR.




SquireSCA said:
Well from that perspective, if screen DPI is so important to you, why aren't you with Android? They have had 400+ DPI phones for what, 5 or so years? Maybe 6.

I think part of my confusion is that things that as an Android fan, I used to argue with iPhone fans all the time... When I pointed out the higher DPI screens and AMOLED to them, they all told me that it was just specs, that it didn't really make a difference... When I talked about smaller bezels and larger screens, they laughed and said I was crazy to be concerned with "features that nobody wants or cares about"...

Until the moment Apple finally copies them, and then suddenly these are life and death critical features. Have to have larger screens, the highest DPI is a must, any bezel over 1mm is satan's work, etc... haha

My how things have changed... All the features and attributes that the other side has had for at least a half decade, that the Apple faithful claimed wasn't a big deal, is now the ONLY deal to them... ;-)

Anyway, I am enjoying the XR so far. I especially like some of the iOS enhancements, where you can now use other apps as default apps, you can use Google Maps with CarPlay, etc...

The settings menus are still an absolute mess. It's horrible, and looks like it is lifted straight out of 2007 and the original iPhone. While iOS is very polished, Android is still light years ahead with ease of use...

But overall, I like the phone. Coming off of a larger, qHD Super AMOLED screen with a 529 DPI rating, I find the XR more than adequate, and frankly I would need them side by side to really notice a difference. The AMOLED might pop the colors a tad more, but other than that... meh... Additionally, the Samsungs let you adjust the DPI to your liking, a cool option...
[doublepost=1542806245][/doublepost]Straight from Phil Schiller, Apple SVP:

[Engadget]It is true that most new Android phones, even low-end ones, feature 1920×1080 panels. Whilst the XR is technically inferior on that particular bullet point, nobody complained that the iPhone 8 was too low resolution last year, and of course there are many different factors that determine the quality of a smartphone screen. Customers who value higher-PPI panels can consider the iPhone 8 Plus, or the XS series.

Engadget quizzed Schiller for his opinion, and naturally he mostly dismissed the concerns. Given the iPhone XR still has a greater than 300 PPI display, the human eye is still unable to resolve individual pixels at normal viewing angles.

"At least with respect to the first point, Schiller believes this is a case of what’s on paper not doing justice to reality. “I think the only way to judge a display is to look at it,” he told me, adding that Apple calls these screens “retina displays” because your eye can’t discern individual pixels unless you press your face up right against the glass. “If you can’t see the pixels, at some point the numbers don’t mean anything. They’re fairly arbitrary.”"
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nayf72 said:
You keep banging on about Android phones and OLED. I’m not interested in Android at all. This a Mac forum and I’m talking about the XR.

I upgrade every year or every other. This year is the first time I’m not going to bother. For me and my use the screen is one of the most important aspects. The ‘upgrade’ choice for me is either an XR or an X Max. The XR’s screen is sub standard in comparison to the plus phones I’ve either had or still own and the Max leans heavily towards the expensive side. Either way Apple is pulling my pants down.

So as a plus user I have to go with a Max or stay as I am. Sorry, the XR just doesn’t cut it. If I was coming from a non plus phone then yes I’d be on the XR.
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I have the XR. I was talking about how I have had screens, for years, that blow away whatever iPhone screens you have had. Even the XS and XS Max, are now using Samsung screens, albeit their second tier panels...

All that said, buy what you want. I am pretty sure that in the topic of the XR, I as an XR owner, am qualified to render an opinion on it's screen versus AMOLED panels that I have used for half a decade, versus my 6+ and 8+ screens, etc... No?
 
SquireSCA said:
I have the XR. I was talking about how I have had screens, for years, that blow away whatever iPhone screens you have had. Even the XS and XS Max, are now using Samsung screens, albeit their second tier panels...

All that said, buy what you want. I am pretty sure that in the topic of the XR, I as an XR owner, am qualified to render an opinion on it's screen versus AMOLED panels that I have used for half a decade, versus my 6+ and 8+ screens, etc... No?
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Here you go again. 10 out of 10 for trying to justify your purchase. Enjoy your ‘Liquid Retina’ screen. You may have an iOS device but you still come across as an elitist android troll.
 
Probably because you aren't able to grasp simple concepts... I can see how someone uneducated on these things would draw the conclusion that you have...

How many Android trolls are running iPad Pro's, a new XR, going out later today to get a new Apple Watch, etc?

Or is that just your way of attempting to dismiss my opinions because they don't jive with yours, and you haven't really been able to refute them?

Yes, that question is rhetorical, lest there be any doubt in your mind.

Hugs and kisses,
Dave
[doublepost=1542813551][/doublepost]Come to think of it, I don't actually have any Android devices at the moment... Sold my Galaxy S9+ and Galaxy Watch... Been on iPads for a long time because Android never really figured out the tablet... Love my 12.9" iPad Pro... have an Air 2, and an iPad mini prior to that...

While the Galaxy Watch was solid, probably the best Android watch on the market, it still can't hold a candle to an Apple watch...

While I certainly like Android's feature rich environment that is typically 2-3 years ahead of Apple, I did ditch mine and get another iPhone... I run Windows on my main PC because as a gamer, that's really the only viable option, but my personal laptop is rocking Manjaro Linux...

I am a fanboy of a lot of things... I own and use pretty much every platform out there. Some things I like better on one, other things I like better on another.

Life is too short to limit yourself to one platform or product line and treat it as a lifestyle brand, or act like it's MY TEAM, etc... They all have pluses and minuses...
 
Yeah Mr educated who reckons there is only a 5% difference in screen quality between an XR and an S9+!

Moron of the week.



SquireSCA said:
Probably because you aren't able to grasp simple concepts... I can see how someone uneducated on these things would draw the conclusion that you have...

How many Android trolls are running iPad Pro's, a new XR, going out later today to get a new Apple Watch, etc?

Or is that just your way of attempting to dismiss my opinions because they don't jive with yours, and you haven't really been able to refute them?

Yes, that question is rhetorical, lest there be any doubt in your mind.

Hugs and kisses,
Dave
[doublepost=1542813551][/doublepost]Come to think of it, I don't actually have any Android devices at the moment... Sold my Galaxy S9+ and Galaxy Watch... Been on iPads for a long time because Android never really figured out the tablet... Love my 12.9" iPad Pro... have an Air 2, and an iPad mini prior to that...

While the Galaxy Watch was solid, probably the best Android watch on the market, it still can't hold a candle to an Apple watch...

While I certainly like Android's feature rich environment that is typically 2-3 years ahead of Apple, I did ditch mine and get another iPhone... I run Windows on my main PC because as a gamer, that's really the only viable option, but my personal laptop is rocking Manjaro Linux...

I am a fanboy of a lot of things... I own and use pretty much every platform out there. Some things I like better on one, other things I like better on another.

Life is too short to limit yourself to one platform or product line and treat it as a lifestyle brand, or act like it's MY TEAM, etc... They all have pluses and minuses...
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nayf72 said:
Yeah Mr educated who reckons there is only a 5% difference in screen quality between an XR and an S9+!

Moron of the week.
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Again, if all you want to argue are spec sheets, then you shouldn't be on an iPhone to begin with, kid...

Putting the two side by side, unless you are wearing a monocle like Mr Peanut, most people wouldn't see much of a difference. There is a difference, but it's not a $400 difference.

I guarantee that if two years ago, you and I were discussing AMOLED vs iPhone's LCD panels you would be taking the opposite stance... that the differences were minimal at best, that it wasn't a big deal, that you didn't care about it, etc...

Now that Apple has Samsung's second tier AMOLED panels, you are all about it, it's the neatest thing, and Apple is "so innovative for having AMOLED 4 years after everyone else", etc...

You kids crack me up... If you want to justify spending the extra money for the XS, go for it, it's no skin off my a$$... Some of my friends wonder why I buy Ducati and Aprilia when a "Honda works just fine"... Different strokes and all...

I looked at it, and wasn't that impressed with the difference...
 
Kid?! Maybe you need your eyes testing. Not only in regard to your XR display but my username.

You ex android trolls ‘crack me up’ too.


SquireSCA said:
Again, if all you want to argue are spec sheets, then you shouldn't be on an iPhone to begin with, kid...

Putting the two side by side, unless you are wearing a monocle like Mr Peanut, most people wouldn't see much of a difference. There is a difference, but it's not a $400 difference.

I guarantee that if two years ago, you and I were discussing AMOLED vs iPhone's LCD panels you would be taking the opposite stance... that the differences were minimal at best, that it wasn't a big deal, that you didn't care about it, etc...

Now that Apple has Samsung's second tier AMOLED panels, you are all about it, it's the neatest thing, and Apple is "so innovative for having AMOLED 4 years after everyone else", etc...

You kids crack me up... If you want to justify spending the extra money for the XS, go for it, it's no skin off my a$$... Some of my friends wonder why I buy Ducati and Aprilia when a "Honda works just fine"... Different strokes and all...

I looked at it, and wasn't that impressed with the difference...
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nayf72 said:
Kid?! Maybe you need your eyes testing. Not only in regard to your XR display but my username.

You ex android trolls ‘crack me up’ too.
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I am going by your childish behavior, not the year you were born. Maturity, to me, is a much better indicator of "age" than a date on a calendar, so despite us being born the same year, I haven't had to resort to calling you a moron for having a different opinion...

So now I am downgraded to an ex android troll? Well played sir. Absolutely brilliant.
 
SquireSCA said:
I will probably annoy some people when I say this... but I am just gonna say it...

Apple fans tend to give Apple a pass on just about anything. When Apple decides to not adopt industry standard features for 2, 3 and even 4 years, Apple fans say it's ok, that those things don't matter. And then Apple finally joins the party, and these same fans immediately shout about how innovative Apple is and how this is the best new thing ever... While Samsung fans who had those things 3 or 4 years ago, chuckle...

I think that same mentality is at work here... I don't think that anybody LIKES the notch. Some are bothered by it, others are simply resigned to it... But I think that some are using the bezel thing as justification for the notch, without just saying it...

To me, if it is an aesthetic, then saying that the phone "looks much better to the eye" with tiny bezels, isn't being honest if they have no problem with the notch. The screen doesn't look better with a part of it missing.

While most of us would love an edge to edge LED TV sitting on our wall, with clean elegant lines... would any of us buy one if there was a 2 inch by 16 inch(proportional to a smartphone screen) notch taken out of the top, cutting out part of the movie that we are watching?

Nope. Nobody would buy that TV. We would pick another brand with a small(but larger) bezel, but that gives us the entire screen to watch TV on.

"But Dave, what if that notch had lots of sensors for turning on your TV with gestures and things"...

Nope, dumb idea, still. If the purpose of the device is the screen, as that is what we consume, then taking away from that, for some feature that we don't really need, and that isn't really much of a benefit to us, takes away from the primary intent of that device.

The notch is form over function, even if it was done to accommodate a certain feature, like face id.
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Yet if the choice was on the XR, notch vs. huge bezels with Touch ID, I’ll take the notch. TouchID sucks with gloves on.

VR|46
 
SquireSCA said:
As a fellow Rossi fan, I would have to agree, although face id doesn't work too well with a helmet on... haha
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Touch ID won’t work with a pair of Alpinestars gloves either. I unlock it, activate maps, and plug it in and mount it. It stays on whole twisty ride and I can control the screen with a farkle finger pulled on the index finger of my clutch hand. Touch ID is more of a waste of space and I don’t miss it. The new IPP and XR make my old 12.9 and 7 feel like carbureted bikes. I prefer fuel injection.

They will reduce or eliminate the notch next year. I’m staying with the XR until we get 5G LTE guts in them.
 
cornerexit said:
Touch ID won’t work with a pair of Alpinestars gloves either. I unlock it, activate maps, and plug it in and mount it. It stays on whole twisty ride and I can control the screen with a farkle finger pulled on the index finger of my clutch hand. Touch ID is more of a waste of space and I don’t miss it. The new IPP and XR make my old 12.9 and 7 feel like carbureted bikes. I prefer fuel injection.

They will reduce or eliminate the notch next year. I’m staying with the XR until we get 5G LTE guts in them.
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Yeah, I will say that all of my Android phones worked with gloves... I couldn't scan a fingerprint obviously, but regular gloves worked the PIN or pattern and let me use the phone just fine.

I have a Sena 20S in my Shoei GT-Air helmet and just use voice commands now for everything while I ride...

The only time I am not able to do that is if I am on track, they no longer allow you to have anything attached to the helmet, so I tuck the phone into my suit and just use ear buds....
 
nayf72 said:
Kid?! Maybe you need your eyes testing. Not only in regard to your XR display but my username.

You ex android trolls ‘crack me up’ too.
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Would I qualify as an ‘Android Troll’ if I can’t see much difference between the XR and XS display? I really couldn’t and it’s reaffirmed why I don’t obsess over screen resolution when buying an iPhone and won’t going forward.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
Would I qualify as an ‘Android Troll’ if I can’t see much difference between the XR and XS display? I really couldn’t and it’s reaffirmed why I don’t obsess over screen resolution when buying an iPhone and won’t going forward.
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Oh dear.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
Feel free to explain and I had my eyes tested on Saturday so I am 36 and still not needing glasses. The screens on current iPhones are excellent and it’s nice to see OLED wasn’t clearly better and definitely not worth £250 more.
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Buying an XR is more of a con than an XS. The XR is just a hybrid of different apple phones with a screen from 2013.

Deluded. Bit like your mate above who reckons there is only a 5% difference between an XR screen and a S9+.
 
nayf72 said:
Buying an XR is more of a con than an XS. The XR is just a hybrid of different apple phones with a screen from 2013.

Deluded. Bit like your mate above who reckons there is only a 5% difference between an XR screen and a S9+.
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And the XS is using a screen from 2015, so what's your point?
 
nayf72 said:
Buying an XR is more of a con than an XS. The XR is just a hybrid of different apple phones with a screen from 2013.

Deluded. Bit like your mate above who reckons there is only a 5% difference between an XR screen and a S9+.
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I’m not deluded, I’m giving an honest opinion of my observations and to me the screen is as good as anything Apple currently offer to me. If you choose to take that personally as you feel it doesn’t validate your own choice and opinion, then that simply isn’t my problem me old mucker. :)
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
John McGuinness is Rossi’s hero so i’ll take John any day of the week.

McPint Road Racing Royalty :p
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Nice! My friend that I ride with, works for MV Agusta corporate... Few months ago he was riding with us in the mtns and got a speeding ticket trying to keep up with us... When we stopped for lunch he was telling us about just getting back from Italy the day before and showed us pics of him having dinner with Giacomo Agostini... Just chilling and having dinner with a legend... So jealous...
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
I’m not deluded, I’m giving an honest opinion of my observations and to me the screen is as good as anything Apple currently offer to me. If you choose to take that personally as you feel it doesn’t validate your own choice and opinion, then that simply isn’t my problem me old mucker. :)
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He's trying to justify spending what he did, and projecting on us, clearly. Haha
 
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I think it’s yourself that is justifying buying a turkey of a phone.

SquireSCA said:
Nice! My friend that I ride with, works for MV Agusta corporate... Few months ago he was riding with us in the mtns and got a speeding ticket trying to keep up with us... When we stopped for lunch he was telling us about just getting back from Italy the day before and showed us pics of him having dinner with Giacomo Agostini... Just chilling and having dinner with a legend... So jealous...
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He's trying to justify spending what he did, and projecting on us, clearly. Haha
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Obviously didn’t read
SquireSCA said:
Nice! My friend that I ride with, works for MV Agusta corporate... Few months ago he was riding with us in the mtns and got a speeding ticket trying to keep up with us... When we stopped for lunch he was telling us about just getting back from Italy the day before and showed us pics of him having dinner with Giacomo Agostini... Just chilling and having dinner with a legend... So jealous...
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He's trying to justify spending what he did, and projecting on us, clearly. Haha
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
I’m not deluded, I’m giving an honest opinion of my observations and to me the screen is as good as anything Apple currently offer to me. If you choose to take that personally as you feel it doesn’t validate your own choice and opinion, then that simply isn’t my problem me old mucker. :)
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Liverpool fans on the whole are deluded. And that is speaking from years of experience.

Next year will be your year.
 
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nayf72 said:
Buying an XR is more of a con than an XS. The XR is just a hybrid of different apple phones with a screen from 2013.

Deluded. Bit like your mate above who reckons there is only a 5% difference between an XR screen and a S9+.
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I agree with you on the obvious difference in screen clarity between the Xr and 7/8plus screens, but I don't see why it bothers and upsets you that other people spend their money on the Xr.
It's their money, not yours, and if they're happy with their Xr, good for them. In the end that's the only thing that really matters.
 
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