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hallux

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So how do two Android phones communicate if one phone only has whatsapp and the other has hangouts? The native apps were deleted by the owners for whatever reason. They can't even use SMS and whatsapp doesn't communicate with hangouts.

This is a fragmentation issue for android. Since there appears to be one open standard and that is SMS, the lowest common denominator.

For the most part, pre-installed apps can't be removed, only disabled. On top of that - I'm not 100% certain but if a messaging app is set as the default for SMS it can't be disabled.
 

Vegastouch

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So many message apps in the play store, not to mention Facebook messenger. It's not a problem to communicate on Android. Hec I never even used WhatsApp.
Not to mention you can get the .apk and re install the Samsung message app. Google also has a message app.

So many ways around it.....as usual.
 

I7guy

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So many message apps in the play store, not to mention Facebook messenger. It's not a problem to communicate on Android. Hec I never even used WhatsApp.
Not to mention you can get the .apk and re install the Samsung message app. Google also has a message app.

So many ways around it.....as usual.
That’s the thing. Finding a way around it. iMessage although it uses sms to android, doesn’t have to find a way around “it”. Unless your use case is video chat to android from iOS.
 

Vegastouch

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That’s the thing. Finding a way around it. iMessage although it uses sms to android, doesn’t have to find a way around “it”. Unless your use case is video chat to android from iOS.
It would take really no time at all. You could just use Google messages( actually called Android messages) which works the same as any other.
I'm not comparing to Apple because, I really dont care and it's why I don't use iOS because it's too limited. I'm just saying there are so many other things you can do with Android to use messages. It's really not a problem.
 

Gathomblipoob

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It's really not a problem.

As long as the person you're messaging has the same app. And that's fine, but it's not as integrated as iMessages. I tried out a Galaxy 9 Plus (nice phone, BTW) and used something like Hangouts in order to be able to send decent-looking videos and large pictures to my girlfriend, but she had to install the same app on her iPhone X.
 

Vegastouch

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As long as the person you're messaging has the same app. And that's fine, but it's not as integrated as iMessages. I tried out a Galaxy 9 Plus (nice phone, BTW) and used something like Hangouts in order to be able to send decent-looking videos and large pictures to my girlfriend, but she had to install the same app on her iPhone X.
Google-Android messages works with everything. It's just like having the pre installed Samsung messages app.
And this isn't about whether or not it's as intregrated as iMessages if you read back on the thread.
 

I7guy

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It would take really no time at all. You could just use Google messages( actually called Android messages) which works the same as any other.
I'm not comparing to Apple because, I really dont care and it's why I don't use iOS because it's too limited. I'm just saying there are so many other things you can do with Android to use messages. It's really not a problem.
Bottom line. It’s not a problem until it actually is.
 

Oohara

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Swipe to go back a page I miss. And tap to scroll to the top.

Good lock on galaxy helps with the swipe to go back tho.
I never missed tap to top on Android since scrolling is so much faster anyway. One sweep and then just let it roll all the way, to me feels even more slick than tap to top. With the bonus being that you can do it to reach the bottom as well.
 
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Paradoxally

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So many message apps in the play store, not to mention Facebook messenger. It's not a problem to communicate on Android. Hec I never even used WhatsApp.
Not to mention you can get the .apk and re install the Samsung message app. Google also has a message app.

So many ways around it.....as usual.

I've noticed Android's motto is "so many ways around it". It becomes annoying pretty quickly and this is the main reason many prefer iOS. A lot of people don't want to tinker. They want to message their friends without the hassle of a 3rd party app. In the US, barely anyone uses Whatsapp compared to the rest of the world because they use iPhone and iMessage is just there -- and it works seamlessly!

Apple's is "here's a set of things that just work. you can't change it, but it works." and for a lot of people this is great. In a professional environment, I would never use anything but an iPhone. It's the most secure mobile platform and it's reliable. Handoff and AirDrop also work fantastically with my Mac. I can't do this on Android without a third-party app.

I do use a Galaxy S9+ as my daily driver, but I'm waiting to see what Apple announces this year. The X was a disappointment to me. It's too small and too expensive for what it offers.
 

mikef07

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So many message apps in the play store, not to mention Facebook messenger. It's not a problem to communicate on Android. Hec I never even used WhatsApp.
Not to mention you can get the .apk and re install the Samsung message app. Google also has a message app.

So many ways around it.....as usual.
If you think this you are missing the point
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I've noticed Android's motto is "so many ways around it". It becomes annoying pretty quickly and this is the main reason many prefer iOS. A lot of people don't want to tinker. They want to message their friends without the hassle of a 3rd party app. In the US, barely anyone uses Whatsapp compared to the rest of the world because they use iPhone and iMessage is just there -- and it works seamlessly!

Apple's is "here's a set of things that just work. you can't change it, but it works." and for a lot of people this is great. In a professional environment, I would never use anything but an iPhone. It's the most secure mobile platform and it's reliable. Handoff and AirDrop also work fantastically with my Mac. I can't do this on Android without a third-party app.

I do use a Galaxy S9+ as my daily driver, but I'm waiting to see what Apple announces this year. The X was a disappointment to me. It's too small and too expensive for what it offers.

Wow, the mindset Apple has gotten you guys in. As if the iOS way is the so-called natural or default way of doing things.

Most people I know with iPhones (in America) chat with me on Whatsapp or Telegram. Is downloading these apps that's in the app store considered tinkering? I think not. Not to mention, Facebook messenger(which I don't use) is probably just as used or even more used than iMessage by iPhone users. Are they tinkering?

By your own logic, iPhone users are tinkering when they install differ Camera apps for better manual control.
 

Cnasty

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Always come back to that word we all love, the ecosystem.

I only use Mac for my laptops and will never change that due to my needs so that kind of anchors a lot of things for messaging on my laptop, integration of files/photos/data from my phone seamlessly to my laptop.

With that being said, imo, Samsung absolutely kills it with their screens and hardware and I love their devices much more than any hardware iteration of my iPhones.

I just wish we could all get along and make a world of a Samsung phone, Apple watch, and Mac laptop work truly seamless without all the add ons and work arounds required from both ends.

Just my take and experiences in owning both for multiple years.
 
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Vegastouch

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I've noticed Android's motto is "so many ways around it". It becomes annoying pretty quickly and this is the main reason many prefer iOS. A lot of people don't want to tinker. They want to message their friends without the hassle of a 3rd party app. In the US, barely anyone uses Whatsapp compared to the rest of the world because they use iPhone and iMessage is just there -- and it works seamlessly!

Apple's is "here's a set of things that just work. you can't change it, but it works." and for a lot of people this is great. In a professional environment, I would never use anything but an iPhone. It's the most secure mobile platform and it's reliable. Handoff and AirDrop also work fantastically with my Mac. I can't do this on Android without a third-party app.

I do use a Galaxy S9+ as my daily driver, but I'm waiting to see what Apple announces this year. The X was a disappointment to me. It's too small and too expensive for what it offers.
Tinker? Downloading an app and using it is tinkering? No, using different launchers and setting up and home page that you like, trying different icons, backgrounds, etc....that is tinkering.
Bottom line is, it is Apple who don't play well with others and want you to be stuck in their walled garden. It isn't Androids fault that iMessage don't work well with other message apps. That's Apples doing.
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Bottom line. It’s not a problem until it actually is.
Which.... it isn't on Androids end.
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Always come back to that word we all love, the ecosystem.

I only use Mac for my laptops and will never change that due to my needs so that kind of anchors a lot of things for messaging on my laptop, integration of files/photos/data from my phone seamlessly to my laptop.

With that being said, imo, Samsung absolutely kills it with their screens and hardware and I love their devices much more than any hardware iteration of my iPhones.

I just wish we could all get along and make a world of a Samsung phone, Apple watch, and Mac laptop work truly seamless without all the add ons and work arounds required from both ends.

Just my take and experiences in owning both for multiple years.
That is Apples doing. Google gives you all the same apps they give on Android but Cook don't want it to work well on iOS. Wants you to think iOS is special by working seamlessly with itself only because he wants you sucked in to keep buying their products. Granted they work well with each other but if you want it to work with something else, forgetaboutit. It has always been that way.
People keep praising iMessage but it only works with Apple users( just like some message apps on Android) the way you all like it to work and it is Cooks fault it don't work the same with others.
 
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mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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The browser which is one of the biggest security attack vectors can only be updated through iOS updates while on Android it can only be updated independently through Google Play Store. If your iOS device stops getting OS updates you stop getting browser updates vs Android that continues to get browser updates through Google Play Store regardless of OS updates.
 

nrvna76

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When I tried android I had a definite hard time sending pictures and videos to my wife on her iPhone. Are you guys saying that is not an issue anymore? I can send full res photos and videos from a galaxy phone to an iPhone and vice versa?

I know it’s Apple that makes that difficult I just didn’t know if there’s a way around it.
 

convergent

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May 6, 2008
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Always come back to that word we all love, the ecosystem.

I only use Mac for my laptops and will never change that due to my needs so that kind of anchors a lot of things for messaging on my laptop, integration of files/photos/data from my phone seamlessly to my laptop.

With that being said, imo, Samsung absolutely kills it with their screens and hardware and I love their devices much more than any hardware iteration of my iPhones.

I just wish we could all get along and make a world of a Samsung phone, Apple watch, and Mac laptop work truly seamless without all the add ons and work arounds required from both ends.

Just my take and experiences in owning both for multiple years.

Apple is the one messing your utopia up. Everyone else is pretty good at playing nice with others. As soon as you drop Apple stuff in there, no love for the other stuff. This is why I moved on.
 

hallux

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When I tried android I had a definite hard time sending pictures and videos to my wife on her iPhone. Are you guys saying that is not an issue anymore? I can send full res photos and videos from a galaxy phone to an iPhone and vice versa?

I know it’s Apple that makes that difficult I just didn’t know if there’s a way around it.

It's still an issue because the SMS/MMS protocol can't support the file sizes needed for high quality imagery. One way to fix that is to use the sharing capability built into the Google Photos app (for which I believe there IS an iOS version), just as many do with the similar Apple app (for which there is NOT an Android version). You can add an album, share it with her and any picture either of you add will show up for the other.

Until RCS is supported by all carriers and device manufacturers (or messaging app developers), cross-platform media sharing WILL be a problem. I still use the Hangouts app to chat with family members, that handles media sharing fine, even cross-platform.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Tinker? Downloading an app and using it is tinkering? No, using different launchers and setting up and home page that you like, trying different icons, backgrounds, etc....that is tinkering.
Bottom line is, it is Apple who don't play well with others and want you to be stuck in their walled garden. It isn't Androids fault that iMessage don't work well with other message apps. That's Apples doing.
[doublepost=1533910573][/doublepost]
Which.... it isn't on Androids end.
[doublepost=1533911027][/doublepost]
That is Apples doing. Google gives you all the same apps they give on Android but Cook don't want it to work well on iOS. Wants you to think iOS is special by working seamlessly with itself only because he wants you sucked in to keep buying their products. Granted they work well with each other but if you want it to work with something else, forgetaboutit. It has always been that way.
People keep praising iMessage but it only works with Apple users( just like some message apps on Android) the way you all like it to work and it is Cooks fault it don't work the same with others.
Depending on your point of view....seems like it is a problem on android as sms is the lowest common denominator just like iOS.
 

SteveJUAE

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Wow, the mindset Apple has gotten you guys in. As if the iOS way is the so-called natural or default way of doing things.

Most people I know with iPhones (in America) chat with me on Whatsapp or Telegram. Is downloading these apps that's in the app store considered tinkering? I think not. Not to mention, Facebook messenger(which I don't use) is probably just as used or even more used than iMessage by iPhone users. Are they tinkering?

By your own logic, iPhone users are tinkering when they install differ Camera apps for better manual control.
The last stats posted on MR showed Imessages was around 3rd or 4th place in popularity after messenger and Whatsapp in US

I think many forget that typically in US the cost of sms/mms is bundelled in your phone plan. Many countries allow you to add or subtract unlimited messages giving a direct saving on your monthly bill

This makes using WhatsApp and others far more attractive and easier to use for many

Most in the US with IPhones are probably paying $6-10/mth for the privalige of being able to sms/mms the majority via Imessages who would rather receive a messenger or whatsapp message in the first instance, that can equally contain links for those that want to send large files or media :rolleyes:
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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-FaceTime
-iMessage
-Find Friends
-Photo stream (through iCloud)
-The ability to walk into a store and get a direct replacement.
-Tap to top
-Regular updates
-Continuity across iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch.

Both platforms are good and it boils down to personal preference and in the 6 years I’ve been using iOS I have got to the stage where I no longer look beyond it when upgrading.
 
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