This disaster may ultimately be a good thing

[jk73]

As if on cue, I just tried to update my iPad to iOS 11.2 and, upon restarting and asking for my passcode, the device froze after I entered the last digit, and then went into some sort of recovery process. It's currently about 15 minutes into it — "Attempting data recovery" — and the status bar shows it as maybe a quarter of the way done.

Apple's software quality control is a total joke right now.

 

[C DM]

As if on cue, I just tried to update my iPad to iOS 11.2 and, upon restarting and asking for my passcode, the device froze after I entered the last digit, and then went into some sort of recovery process. It's currently about 15 minutes into it — "Attempting data recovery" — and the status bar shows it as maybe a quarter of the way done.

Apple's software quality control is a total joke right now.

At times some people have ran into anecdotal installation issues with pretty much any iOS (or even other OS) update in the past as well.

 

[aaronlionsheep]

I stopped reading in the first paragraph. You listed a lot of things that only happened recently not on initial releases. You also don't know what synonymous means so I figure the post is going to be a pseudo intellectual rant.

As a developer I hate backseat coding/QA from people who don't know what they're talking about. Bugs will happen. Things that worked before can be broken at a later point.

I do agree with your title though. If Apple cares they will do better next year. All the patches do indicate lots of problems they are fixing.

Yes iOS 11 has been the worse release I've had too.

Yes we as Apple users need to keep Apple in check.

No I haven't had most of the issues you listed in the first paragraph. "It" autocorrect, worked. The other autocorrect bug didn't happen. I've had amazing battery life. So clearly there's more to these bugs. A little lesson for you; with software you are taught to expect the unexpected to prevent against it. With iOS 11 and it's million of users. Millions of apps. Billions of use cases it's complicated as ****. And yes Apple has to take bug reports more serious. This is the only way to fix the outliers.

I made an account just to give this a thumbs up.

I've ben running every iOS 11 developer preview on my iPhone 6 Plus as a daily driver since June when DP1 came out.
I can go about 1.5 days between charges (on a battery that is 3 years old), so I've never understood how people have battery issues and why its portrayed that everyone must have them. Now I can't say anything about 3D Touch since my phone does not have it.

 

[macfacts]

... I can go about 1.5 days between charges (on a battery that is 3 years old), so I've never understood how people have battery issues and why its portrayed that everyone must have them. ....

Thought experiment. If iOS 11 has no issues with battery or lag or bugs, what are all the constant iOS updates in the last 2 months for?

 

[I7guy]

Seems there is negative correlation. I am observing that as sales increase and Apple correspondingly charges higher and higher prices, the software quality is decreasing every year. It's become like Microsoft. Windows Vista was bad. Windows 7 was good. Windows 8 was bad. Windows 10 was good. Similarly. iOS 8 was good.ios 9 is bad. iOS 10 is good. iOS 11 is bad. I am seeing more and more performance issues with every year that passes by on launch. We have to wait 1 year for perfection only to be broken a month later.

Ios 5 was bad, iis 6 was good, iOS 7 was bad, iOS 8 was bad, iOS 9, 10, 11 are good. Since we’re just throwing out opinions without substantiation.

Windows xp was good, vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was bad, 8.1 was good, 10 is bad.
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Thought experiment. If iOS 11 has no issues with battery or lag or bugs, what are all the constant iOS updates in the last 2 months for?

If no other iOS operating system version in history had any issues, why the point releases! Why 10.3.3.? Why does windows release massive updates on a regular basis and smaller updates almost every other day?

 

[macfacts]

... If no other iOS operating system version in history had any issues, why the point releases! Why 10.3.3.? Why does windows release massive updates on a regular basis and smaller updates almost every other day?

Sometimes updates add new features. Updates to iOS 10 gave portrait mode camera, find my airpods, Apple filesystem.

But with iOS 11, we see the updates are for fixes.

 

[I7guy]

Sometimes updates add new features. Updates to iOS 10 gave portrait mode camera, find my airpods, Apple filesystem.

But with iOS 11, we see the updates are for fixes.

So without doing a deep dive for every point release in the last 5 years, you are making a generalization or opinion of what you believe. But it's not a truism or fact unless an analysis can be performed going back in time. It is true the last releases were fixes, but the last releases of ios 10 was also fixes. ios 7.0.1, 7.0.2, 7.0.3 were also fixes. ios 11.2 was a combination of fixes and new functionality. Nothing new there in terms of apples methods.

 

[Radon87000]

So without doing a deep dive for every point release in the last 5 years, you are making a generalization or opinion of what you believe. But it's not a truism or fact unless an analysis can be performed going back in time.

There is nothing new in iOS 11 for iPhone which merits the noticeable drop in battery life and performance.
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Ios 5 was bad, iis 6 was good, iOS 7 was bad, iOS 8 was bad, iOS 9, 10, 11 are good. Since we’re just throwing out opinions without substantiation.

Windows xp was good, vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was bad, 8.1 was good, 10 is bad.
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If no other iOS operating system version in history had any issues, why the point releases! Why 10.3.3.? Why does windows release massive updates on a regular basis and smaller updates almost every other day?

Windows 10 being better than Windows 8.1 is nonsense. Windows 8.1 was a tablet UI shoehorned onto PC and it didn't have a start menu. Windows 10 blows away any version of Windows 8.

 

[Radon87000]

Ios 5 was bad, iis 6 was good, iOS 7 was bad, iOS 8 was bad, iOS 9, 10, 11 are good. Since we’re just throwing out opinions without substantiation.

Windows xp was good, vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was bad, 8.1 was good, 10 is bad.
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If no other iOS operating system version in history had any issues, why the point releases! Why 10.3.3.? Why does windows release massive updates on a regular basis and smaller updates almost every other day?

If you search for iOS 11 on google, you will find links of iOS 11 causing serious problems on the first page. Search for iOS 10 using a custom time frame of September 2016-Nov 2016 and no such link on the first page. Adoption rates for 11 are worse. It doesn't deserve to be called iOS because it lacks the basic fundamentals iOS is known for.

 

[I7guy]

There is nothing new in iOS 11 for iPhone which merits the noticeable drop in battery life and performance.
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Windows 10 being better than Windows 8.1 is nonsense. Windows 8.1 was a tablet UI shoehorned onto PC and it didn't have a start menu. Windows 10 blows away any version of Windows 8.

This is all subjective and anecdotal.

If you search for iOS 11 on google, you will find links of iOS 11 causing serious problems on the first page. Search for iOS 10 using a custom time frame of September 2016-Nov 2016 and no such link on the first page. Adoption rates for 11 are worse. It doesn't deserve to be called iOS because it lacks the basic fundamentals iOS is known for.

Google is not the arbiter here and revisionism runs rampant. IOS 8 was a disaster release and yet you found it good... bricked phones/resprings and all, which goes to show the subjectivity of it all.

 

[C DM]

If you search for iOS 11 on google, you will find links of iOS 11 causing serious problems on the first page. Search for iOS 10 using a custom time frame of September 2016-Nov 2016 and no such link on the first page. Adoption rates for 11 are worse. It doesn't deserve to be called iOS because it lacks the basic fundamentals iOS is known for.

Really? You are really going to try to go there when we all know that there was a lot of uproar about things like let's say the issue with an early iOS 10 update that basically messed up devices that they could only be restored with iTunes (https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/13/12904582/apple-ios-10-iphone-update-fail)?

The mere fact that you are just conveniently and rather blatantly "omitting" something like that and saying that there were no serious issues to spin some narrative just completely undermines it all (as have various other statements made in the past that have been shown to not hold up and basically made just to fit some narrative). Without credibility there really isn't much to anything that might have been or would be said.

 

[s15119]

Such drama. Like so many others, I haven't had trouble with OS 11. SE, 5S, two older iPads and an Apple TV. There were bugs in every OS release. If anything, Apple addresses them more quickly now than in the past. All these "disaster" posts, just make me laugh.

 

[duffman9000]

Windows 10 has its own share of issues after each update. One update broke DHCP, apps broke after each small update…

Don't get me started with Wifi... I'm going to run an Ethernet cable under my floors from my living room to my office room to fix having to rely on Wifi on my Win10 box.

 

[bopajuice]

Everyday I deal with iOS and macOS bugs. Some are preventing me from functioning in a work environment. Still as a fanboy I have trouble dealing with the fact that Apple is becoming worse and worse.

After all I have invested in the Apple eco system, I find myself looking elsewhere.

 

[I7guy]

Everyday I deal with iOS and macOS bugs. Some are preventing me from functioning in a work environment. Still as a fanboy I have trouble dealing with the fact that Apple is becoming worse and worse.

After all I have invested in the Apple eco system, I find myself looking elsewhere.

What bugs prevent you from functioning in a work environment?

 

[bopajuice]

What bugs prevent you from functioning in a work environment?

With my iPhone 8 Plus, since my last iOS update I experience popping and clicking during calls, audio fades out, poor quality under any condition, apps freeze, phone won’t answer when swiped. Emails disappear then reappear, Bluetooth syncing issues.

Please don’t try to diagnose these issues, I’ve had the phone replaced once already. Multiple restores and resets. None of this happened until my last iOS update.

With high Sierra macOS on my 2014 mini, the issues are endless. Browser issues, display issues, Preview is pretty much worthless to me now. Font issues, cut and paste issues, email issues, software compatibility issues, sync issues between devices, time machine backups work then don’t work, ... I can go on.

All affecting, delaying, or preventing me from making my deadlines.

I depend on my devices being synced up and working. I work from home and in the field. I do research, cut and paste a lot of stuff, lots of texting, emails, and calls.

The most disappointing issue I have is using Preview to edit PDFs. With high Sierra I’ve had nothing but problems. Using Preview was one of the reasons I’ve stayed with a Mac for so long.

I’ve burned up more than one work day doing fresh installs, restores, and/or looking for alternative software.

 

[I7guy]

With my iPhone 8 Plus, since my last iOS update I experience popping and clicking during calls, audio fades out, poor quality under any condition, apps freeze, phone won’t answer when swiped. Emails disappear then reappear, Bluetooth syncing issues.

Please don’t try to diagnose these issues, I’ve had the phone replaced once already. Multiple restores and resets. None of this happened until my last iOS update.

With high Sierra macOS on my 2014 mini, the issues are endless. Browser issues, display issues, Preview is pretty much worthless to me now. Font issues, cut and paste issues, email issues, software compatibility issues, sync issues between devices, time machine backups work then don’t work, ... I can go on.

All affecting, delaying, or preventing me from making my deadlines.

I depend on my devices being synced up and working. I work from home and in the field. I do research, cut and paste a lot of stuff, lots of texting, emails, and calls.

The most disappointing issue I have is using Preview to edit PDFs. With high Sierra I’ve had nothing but problems. Using Preview was one of the reasons I’ve stayed with a Mac for so long.

I’ve burned up more than one work day doing fresh installs, restores, and/or looking for alternative software.

I had no intention of diagnosing these issues. Except to say I have none of these issues on my 6s. So maybe it’s a bad install or iPhone 8 related.