At the end of the summer all anyone was talking about was how the under the screen Touch ID was having yield problems and that Apple was scrambling to try to get it working. People were speculating whether they might have to put it on the back. There was no mention of FaceID until all of a sudden it leaked. That was pretty much the entire drama in the rumor mill surrounding the X, so if you missed it you must have been not paying much attention.
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That’s other companies though not Apple. If you want Touch ID so bad there is the SE as an option or purchase one of those upcoming aforementioned models from one of the other manufacturers but with Apple.
Touch ID is dead dead dead.
Right, OR, I could just keep my iPhone 8 for now and make the move to the X next year when FaceID is out of the beta stage.
Whatever works for you. Touch ID works for me 8 times out of 10. Nothing is perfect and that ratio is good enough for me.
Ideally, I'd like an iPhone with both under the screen touch ID and Face ID. It doesn't have to be one or the other. More options is good. People have different preferences.
Then again, there’s another theory that they didn’t include Touch ID to appease the Elder Gods.
Phones get designed years in advance and Face ID is a technology of such complexity with such investments required that they had to decide on it very early. They did not “try one thing then abandon it for another”. They decided Face ID is the future and went all in and you can bet that the technical difficulties and challenges were just as big as with Touch ID under the screen, if not bigger. Apple just chose a direction, and then they started making it happen.
I remember reading how a former Windows Hello engineer claimed that Apple will certainly go for an embedded Touch ID sensor because bringing Hello-like tech to a phone is too power demanding and almost impossible. And yet, people think that Face ID is some “plan B”.
And this wasn’t told by Apple PR, several well informed bloggers did some digging and found out that Touch ID was scrapped early on in favor of Face ID from engineers and “little birdies”. It also makes a lot of sense.
And you can understand why Face ID does seem like the future and the next step, not just for the iPhone, but for the iPad and Mac as well.
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It is probably best to never completely trust what any for profit organization says.
Also how some people consider any Apple explanation as either marketing BS or a flat out lie.
In the case of Face ID vs Touch ID, there are many facts that support the claim that Apple abandoned Touch ID in favor of Face ID early on, and yet some people think it's PR speak, just because Apple says it's so. Because god forbid Apple did something right intentionally - because we all know how they suck now, is that it?
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Um, no, it's best to base your trust on facts and information, that may or may not align with the official position of a company. What you advise could be described as paranoia.
Thanks for reiterating my point. I already stated that Apple was working on embedding TouchID, and when they realized it could not be done, they moved forward with FaceID. FaceID was not a plan B in the sense that they said, "OH, embedding TouchID is not working, lets try developing FaceID". FaceID was already being worked on along side TouchID.
How do you know this? Every information dug out points that they decided to drop Touch ID the moment they decided to go edge-to-edge with the screen.
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We don't know that either, and I agree it's all speculation. However, I do believe that the technical difficulties of Face ID outweigh the difficulties of embedded Touch ID. It's not just the camera, it's scale, battery life, CPU power, software, etc.
But ok, let's agree it's just speculation. And since it is, and we can't know for sure - why deny the official claim?
As Orev pointed out. The talk last summer revolved around how apple was having problems with an embedded TouchID and that apple was having a hard time getting it to work. The speculation was whether they might have to put it on the back. This is not fact as it was all rumor. From reliable sources I might add.
I would really like both. Face ID is great when it works, but for when it doesn’t I would like Touch ID as a back up. We must remember the whole point of these systems is to make password protecting your devices easier. Having both accomplishes this better. To say we shouldn’t have one just cause it was in an older iPhone is ridiculous.
I get your point, but it's just not realistic. Apple isn't Samsung, they aren't going to have 3 security options just in case one doesn't work well. Apple will focus on making their 1 security option the best that it can be. I would expect major improvements and features added to Face ID over the next 3 years. Landscape and more extreme angles come to mind.
These were just rumors. I remember those. Like many others, they turned out wrong.
On the other hand, several bloggers, from Gruber to the ATP crew claim that several Apple engineers told them, off the record, that they never planned Touch ID for the X. I agree it's speculation, but I find their sources more believable then any of the sensational early iPhone rumors. While parts leak and software leaks, I don't think any of the leaks ever came from Apple R&D and early days of the process, and all was just speculation and guesswork.
On the other hand, a lot of people almost want to paint Face ID as a flawed compromise. And people generally prefer the "what XX doesn't want you to know" rumors.... Personally, I do believe they decided to go for Face ID and that they could've embedded the Touch ID into the screen if they wanted to. And the idea that your phone recognizes you in a similar way people do, without you having to scan your fingers just seems like something Apple would pursue, not choose as 'plan B'.
We'll never know for sure.
Face-ID is so much better than touch Id - now I wouldn't get a phone that didn't have face-id. Touch-id was so much less reliable than Face-ID especially in winter when hands get a little chapped.
I don't disagree with anything you said. It definitely is all speculation. In my opinion, I suspect anyone from apple would never admit that they could not embed TouchID in the display. After all no one was able to do so in 2017. There were just too many rumors pointing to apple wanting to embed TouchID but not being able to do so. In my opinion, FaceID was always in development and not some random tech apple decided to use. After all, an embedded TouchID sensor would have been just as magical. In my opinion of course
Apple doesn't usually bring back features once they declare that they've come up with something superior or that they are outdated. I love TouchID so much that it is a large part of the reason why I got an 8 Plus instead of the X, and I hate to say this, but I don't think that it will be coming back.
That's an Over-generalized statement and isn't necessarily accurate. Most consumers likely don't have your mindset depending what they're basing their 'trust' on factual information Within a Company standards for them to not 'completely trust' them.
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Paranoia?
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Why not? It sure does stir the Pot.
Having just returned from China, a lot of people were wearing face masks, as I believe they do in other Asian countries. Obviously Face ID will not work in that situation.
I believe Apple will keep Touch ID on at least some devices so they don’t loose the Asian market, which must be important to Apple. I only saw one person with iPhone X in China, while the various Plus iPhone were ubiquitous
Nice implementation of the in screen Touch ID.
This is something I feel would be a serious nice to have. On any device.
This is something I feel would be a serious nice to have. On any device.
Just asking: would you still want this if Face ID was 100% perfect? Worked every time and had a wider scan angle? (note, it works 99% of the time for me, but let’s say you’re one of those who consider it less reliable than Touch ID)
For me, I had some lousy experience with Touch ID, possibly due to the fact that my skin is not dry. But even if it worked 100% I do believe I would prefer fatial recognition.