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Lloydbm41

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The main criticism is the iPhone 6/6+ is more of the same and less of a difference and advancement. Other manufacturers seem like they are making a better effort design, spec, and software wise. People are getting tired of the slow incremental progression.

It will be interesting to see sales this time around, as the iPhone 6/6+ will have the heaviest competition than any previous iPhone had.
Well, chances are, both iPhones will eclipse anything we have seen before, and I am guessing by a huge margin. Wouldn't be surprised if opening weekend numbers are in the 11 million sold range (this includes pre-orders obviously). The iphone 5S/5C combo sold 9 million opening weekend I believe. And since China is out of the equation this time around as well, it is accurate to compare last years sales numbers with this years.
 

kingalexthe1st

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Don't forget - battery life is bad too.....

Ya, I don't know that I know exactly what Active Notifications is so I won't comment on it. The always listening part is neat I guess. Do we think Apple wouldn't have done "Hey Siri" if Moto hadn't pushed them?

Just to clarify - active notifications are that the phone displays icons on the screen for what notifications you have, but only lights up the necessary pixels as it's sAMOLED. You press the icon for it to give you a summary of what it is (message, email etc). You can them swipe up to open the app, down to open the phone, or to the side to dismiss the notification. All without waking up the phone. It's pretty neat.

The whole 'Hey Siri' thing isn't quite the same, as the iPhone will need to be plugged in for that. The Moto X is always listening, regardless. It's especially useful in the morning, as I ask my phone 'what's up?' and it reads out my notifications for me. Brilliant when you're bleary-eyed :)

And the battery life isn't bad. It's on par with my gf's 5S.

Right, back on topic.... :)

Alex
 

Tig Bitties

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I will admit that Motorola is leading the past year as far as innovation go for smartphones. The Moto X seems very underrated, and it actually brings some really cool and very useful features to the smartphone landscape.


Their active display technology, and speaking to the phone to wake it up and read back notifications, as well as just waving your hand above the phone without touching it to turn on the screen. All of that is pretty cool stuff, regardless if you like Android or not. Siri and Google Now do not work nearly as smooth and well as the Moto X, which has it built in to all work so well and effortless.

I don't like the Moto X mainly because of lower battery life, I like 3,000mAh + batteries for super users. But if you don't need super killer battery life, I think the Moto X is hands down the coolest phones out there.

Waving your hand across to activate it is cool. And it reading back notifications and stuff. That's truly useful and feels futuristic and good to see.

Otherwise the iPhone 6, and even the Galaxy S5 and Note 4, are just more of the same, having the typical annual hardware upgrades and tweaks, but not truly innovative like the Moto X is doing.
 
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BoxerGT2.5

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You're giving me total marketshare. I'm not an idiot - I know Samsung leads the world as far as overall smartphone sales.

I'm saying there is no single handset that competes with the iPhone. Each year the iPhone is the best selling single handset in the world. Samsung sells hundreds of different smartphones at dozens of sizes and price points.



I'm not 100% sure but I don't think those numbers are the 5S alone. Was the 5C not an option as well? $99 5 was also an option.
 

Lloydbm41

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I'm not 100% sure but I don't think those numbers are the 5S alone. Was the 5C not an option as well? $99 5 was also an option.

It is a mixture. In the US, Japan and the UK, I believe the 5S is the best selling phone (per individual market). Total marketshare for all iPhones sold (4 through 5S) was more than any other OEM by combined flagship breakout. Most smart phones sold by OEM goes to Samsung.
This is all just number games though. There are only 2 smartphone companies raking in cash by the truckload.
 

jrswizzle

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I'm not 100% sure but I don't think those numbers are the 5S alone. Was the 5C not an option as well? $99 5 was also an option.
Analysts use the reported numbers (which are a mix for every company) and combine them with carrier data to give an idea of the breakdown.
 

Dr McKay

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It amazes me how much Android people spend analyzing the iPhone, even though they have no intention of ever buying said phone.

Me personally I'm a techie, so even devices I have no interest in purchasing, interest me in general. Its why I watch videos about new Ubuntu releases, and OS X vids etc
 

Zwhaler

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I wish we could group all these threads in one place.....

Ahh, the Wasteland looks good.

I think the Android sub is appropriate for these discussions and review postings. I would like to check out the iPhone 6 Plus, but am leaning against owning it. I'm not going to go on and on here but there's simple things that the iPhone won't do that want it to... for example having my home screen have no icons above the dock. Why won't they let me? Also if I want to send an audio file of, say, a current mix, plus album artwork and a pdf file in an email I have no idea how to because of no user accessible filesystem. Just 2 annoyances from me.
 

Fanaticalism

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The title of the article and the fact that you bolded one simple statement that can be summed up as the writer is a giant troll is hilarious. Why not say something more rather than just agreeing with such a basic and seriously over-used statement?

Enjoy your Android, I'll enjoy my iPhone...do what you want in life.

And this is the problem. This post is with filled with emotion alongside of its opinion. If people can just leave their emotions out of it, a difference of opinions can be approached with simple debate.
 

Dontazemebro

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I don't get all this talk of "Apple said big screens are horrible". Now "Apple introduces big screens".

Wasn't the whole point that we were asking for a larger device and now that they've released one, we're going to criticize them for it? It just seems juvenile.
 

spinedoc77

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And this is the problem. This post is with filled with emotion alongside of its opinion. If people can just leave their emotions out of it, a difference of opinions can be approached with simple debate.

There wouldn't be any forum left!
 

Kariya

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And this is the problem. This post is with filled with emotion alongside of its opinion. If people can just leave their emotions out of it, a difference of opinions can be approached with simple debate.

The original article doesn't exactly lack emotion either.

I don't get all this talk of "Apple said big screens are horrible". Now "Apple introduces big screens".

Wasn't the whole point that we were asking for a larger device and now that they've released one, we're going to criticize them for it? It just seems juvenile.

That and consumers and competitors complained that the original iPhone with a 3.5" screen was "monstrous" before they all promptly followed suit. Which might explain why Apple was a little more prudent about increasing screen sizes until now.

Larger than normal big screens aren't exactly an Android exclusive 'innovation'.
 
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Dontazemebro

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The original article doesn't exactly lack emotion either.



That and consumers and competitors complained that the original iPhone with a 3.5" screen was "monstrous" before they all promptly followed suit. Which might explain why Apple was a little more prudent about increasing screen sizes until now.

Larger than normal big screens aren't exactly an Android exclusive 'innovation'.

Exactly, this tit for tat type of mentality just continues to feed the negative hype train. Hell, I've been asking for a larger screened iPhone since forever, and now that's it here, I'm ecstatic.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Exactly, this tit for tat type of mentality just continues to feed the negative hype train. Hell, I've been asking for a larger screened iPhone since forever, and now that's it here, I'm ecstatic.

I think the criticism about the large screen is towards Apple not the users.

 

SolarShane

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Probably, heh.

He misses a few points though.

- We got bigger screens, yes, but we also got new layouts for developers to work with those new screens. When the bigger Androids started coming out, like the Notes, they were treating them like as if they were like the bigger 7" tablets. I was looking at the Material Design guidelines earlier today, but it seems they're still not treating these phones any differently like they REALLY should be.

- We don't need more RAM, when some of these 2GB Samsungs are having lag issues when browsing, that's not because your Google Search is taking 2GB of RAM, it's because the engines and stuff behind that browser need to be improved. Better chips = Better efficiency, better code = Less lagging.

- iOS has new camera APIs. If you have better control of your camera to begin with, nothing else matters. And the biggest issue with Android is that the camera only works the best with the stock camera app.


1) That's the whole point of Android though. When developing a native app, all you need to design is ONE layout and boom, it works on a myriad of devices. None of this crap about having to create UI's for each device and once again, Apple finally plays catch up with Auto-Layout.

2) Now that's a load of ****! The only reason Samsung phones lag is because of TouchWiz. If Sammy phones didn't have TouchWiz, they would be screaming, and even more so with the upcoming release of Android L.

3) This makes no sense. Since when do third party apps accessing the same hardware have less quality then the stock app using the same hardware?
 

Cnasty

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I got the OnePlusOne 3 days ago.

It is a beautiful device, super lightweight, and the OS is fascinating with a stock Android feel.

However, I own an iMac,MacBookAir,AppleTV, and wife has an iphone (imessage,pics,etc).

I am going to pre-order the 6+ tonight on NEXT, pay it off within the minimum time and unlock it. Give it an honest try again as I havent owned an iPhone since the IP4 and see how it does.

I am a huge fan of the Apple OS within their devices but Android has always had the better hardware for me. Apple gave me the big device option and I am going to give it a test drive.

Wish me luck. ;)
 

Michaelgtrusa

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Nothing wrong with a comparison but wait until you have the iPhone 6 at least before passing judgement.
 

Savor

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I think iPhone 6/6 Plus are the UGLIEST iPhones ever designed. The rear might even be worse than the 3G/3Gs and even 5c which wasn't a flagship but a cheaper way to build on the original 5 specs.

Pros -
Rounded edges
Thinnest ever
Reachability gesture

Cons -
Uninspired front panels
Too much wasted bezels top & bottom
Protruding camera on the 6 Plus
The normal 6 has an oddball resolution
Antenna strips are ugly (HTC did it better)
Gold option is ugly which was a highlight last year
Tacky iPod touch rear without the chrome/bling bling factor

Overall design rating - 6.5/10

I would even go far to say (gasp) the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 looks better than the iPhone 6/6 Plus. Sorry, Apple. You lost in aesthetics to the likes of HTC One (M8), OnePlus One, LG G3, and even the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. We will be stuck with this design for another two years. Even the Apple Watch isn't much to look at. I think the Moto 360 looks better.

But to defend Apple, these units will probably sell 6M in 6 days. Maybe more. I always say looks fade. Performance lasts. And for most people who aren't shallow with their devices, these are still the best iPhones that Apple ever made. It's what inside that counts. And we gotta applaud Apple for at least trying to answer to their critics.

Has Apple lost their magic? Yes. Years ago. But they haven't lost their business sense. Kudos to them for being a bit more open minded.
 

CalmEnvy

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It's biggest con for me besides it's not really that much of an upgrade now that I have a Nexus 5 is the cost of the phone and monthly costs here in Canada. The contract prices are insane!

iPhone 6
16GB $265
64GB $375
128GB $485

iPhone 6 Plus
16GB $375
64GB $485
128GB $595

That's the contract prices here in Canada when you sign a two year contract. I just switched to Android and one reason was price. I got a Nexus 5, wife got an HTC one mini both $0 on contract and the plans are $49 a month. I've done the math with the base price of an iPhone 6 on contract and I'm saving $1740 over two years now. Both Apple and cell carriers here are going overboard on the price. Good luck selling a $700 phone on contract.
 

sparky08

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It seems like Apple should have hit a home run with the iPhone 6. They've been working on it for years. But, it's a bigger phone with a few things that others have had for years.

I really wanted something to make me say 'wow!'. Sure, iPhone customers will upgrade. They're a loyal bunch.

But Apple missed a great opportunity to convert the Android customers.
 

Cnasty

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Was able to get my pre-order through and I am going back to the "dark side". :)

I am not on a side of a fan of this or that as I think all the phones have their pros and cons.

I love Android devices due to the amazing hardware they offer and screen sizes that have gotten bigger but in amazing smaller form factors.

I enjoy WP efficiency and snappy system with such limited specs but the apps bothered me a tad and the phones are kind of vanilla.

I love iOS with the stability it offers as well as the integration into my ecosystem (mac,MBA,appletv,etc) but their incremental updates have been annoying.

It is going to be hard to get rid of my OnePlusOne but at the end of the day I always said if Apple made a bigger phone, Id give it a try. Staying true to myself but with my tech ADD I am sure I will be back soon.
 

The Game 161

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Was able to get my pre-order through and I am going back to the "dark side". :)

I am not on a side of a fan of this or that as I think all the phones have their pros and cons.

I love Android devices due to the amazing hardware they offer and screen sizes that have gotten bigger but in amazing smaller form factors.

I enjoy WP efficiency and snappy system with such limited specs but the apps bothered me a tad and the phones are kind of vanilla.

I love iOS with the stability it offers as well as the integration into my ecosystem (mac,MBA,appletv,etc) but their incremental updates have been annoying.

It is going to be hard to get rid of my OnePlusOne but at the end of the day I always said if Apple made a bigger phone, Id give it a try. Staying true to myself but with my tech ADD I am sure I will be back soon.
Enjoy, I'm sure you will love the experience:) it's going to be a stunning device that I'm. Sure of and I'm glad apple are finally giving users options.
 
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