iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing

[44267547]

flashship phones all went up, and are still cheaper than iPhones. Everyone can thank Cook for setting this ridiculous price point.

This is false. _Before_ the iPhone X even launched in November 2017, the Galaxy Note 8 released/was announced in August 2017 to start at $950, which is actually almost the same price as the iPhone X started at $999.00. At the time, no one knew what what the iPhone X price would be, even when Google already announced the Note 8 price before the 2017 September keynote.

Perhaps before you blame Tim Cook, you should research the competition prices first.

 

[dotzero123]

It's interesting, though, to compare what you get in a new iPhone against what you get for a comparable cost in a laptop. For roughly the same cost you can get a ton of computing power in one of the MacBooks. Of course, you can't whip out your laptop when you need to make a call, but still.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

This is false. _Before_ the iPhone X even launched in November 2017, the Galaxy Note 8 released/was announced in August 2017 to start at $950, which is actually almost the same price as the iPhone X started at $999.00. At the time, no one knew what what the iPhone X price would be, even when Google already announced the Note 8 price before the 2017 September keynote.

Perhaps before you blame Tim Cook, you should research the competition prices first.

Hang on a sec.

What’s the iPhone X have to do with the note 8?

I suggest you do your reasearch starting at iPhone 7 Plus pricing , and Correlating that to the note 8 price.

In your research you will find that’s the S9 competes with Xs and note 9 with Xs max, by virtue of screen size .

If you are going to do this correctly, see the S and note prices before and after the x and Xs were launched .

So my kind sir, I also suggest you do your research, if you must police these forums , do it on facts .

 

[44267547]

What’s the iPhone X have to do with the note 8?

The price is relevant and a reflection of the iPhone X comparable to the Note 8, both phones staggered on the $1000 benchmark from the consumer stand point upgrade pricing, even though the X launched at a different time frame, they were ‘Top spec’d’ Phones from both Apple and Samsung. This isn’t about ‘screen size’ per se, and that’s not my point.

For the record, Your snide Cook comment isn’t relevant to this situation, considering you didn’t include the competition in your post and nor did you take into consideration of a flagship phone with the Note 8 that launched before the iPhone X with a price that Cook has no contribution to Samsung’s pricing strategy. Again, simple research would have yielded this, But you were focused on blaming Cook, which is inherently false, nor relevant for the sake of blaming him for the entire uprise of smart phone costs, which simply isn’t true, you were just looking for a way to disparage against Cook/Apple.

 

[Hawaiian Starman]

Recently upgraded to the XS max (256mb) from my 128mb 6+. Quite happy about the change. Price wasn’t an issue as I haven’t bought a phone in a few years. Upgrade gives me: much, much better camera with more features, faster performance, FaceID (IMO much better than Touch ID), more functional screen gestures, and much better screen resolution and viewable area…all in the same size form factor. What’s not to like?

 

[Shiro_Simba]

The price is relevant and a reflection of the iPhone X comparable to the Note 8, both phones staggered on the $1000 benchmark from the consumer stand point upgrade pricing, even though the X launched at a different time frame, they were ‘Top spec’d’ Phones from both Apple and Samsung. This isn’t about ‘screen size’ per se, and that’s not my point.

For the record, Your snide Cook comment isn’t relevant to this situation, considering you didn’t include the competition in your post and nor did you take into consideration of a flagship phone with the Note 8 that launched before the iPhone X with a price that Cook has no contribution Apple’s pricing strategy. Again, simple research would have yielded this, But you were focused on blaming Cook, which is inherently false, nor relevant for the sake of blaming him for the entire uprise of smart phone costs, which simply isn’t true, you were just looking for a way to disparage against Cook/Apple.

This is going to be a pointless exchange is we cannot even agree on one simple fact, what are the two Samsung flagship models, that Apple has competed against since the iPhone 6 and 6 plus launched, even why the 6 plus was launched ....

I have a work around , let’s keep this very simple, as trying to agree that the XS max competes against the note 9 is going to be too difficult to some to an agreement.

I’ll do Apple, Basic maths .... here we go.

iPhone 6 $849
iPhone 6S $849
iPhone 7 $849
iPhone 8 $849
iPhone x $1149
iPhone Xs $1349

iPhone 6 Plus $949
iPhone 6S plus $949
iPhone 7 Plus $969
iPhone 8 Plus $949
iPhone XS Max $1449

So simple maths shows that apple’s two flagship models based on jobs roadmap, which would have been upto 5 years , as most organisations, saw the iPhone locked in price wise .

Now we enter Cooks new era of the iPhone iPhone X is about 35% increase over 7, XS is 17% over X.... in two years two years from the iPhone 7 flagship, the XS is now about 58% price hike.

From the 7/8 plus, the new large size screen XS max is over 50% increase.

You can do Samsung prices over the years .... you will see where they jumped

Cook is the CEO - buck stops with the leader , as does criticism etc .... who do do you want me to critise for 50% price hikes?? It’s called accountability and responsibility, a function of CEO. Yes I get prices are not at by CEO, but if the CEO is running a company where prices need to rise, he is failing in other parts....

Anyway , enjoy your research into competitors prices 2017-2018 to coincide with launch of the X - and remember , the industry was well aware ahead of launch that Apple was pricing the x at $1000. So even in August , Samsung would have been taking a calculated move based on that.

Yes I blame Apple for current smartphone prices, as I did with Nvidia in 2013 with the launch of the Titan , feel free to research how that impacted the industry, and GPU prices going up all round.

 

[I7guy]

This is going to be a pointless exchange is we cannot even agree on one simple fact, what are the two Samsung flagship models, that Apple has competed against since the iPhone 6 and 6 plus launched, even why the 6 plus was launched ....

I have a work around , let’s keep this very simple, as trying to agree that the XS max competes against the note 9 is going to be too difficult to some to an agreement.

I’ll do Apple, Basic maths .... here we go.

iPhone 6 $849
iPhone 6S $849
iPhone 7 $849
iPhone 8 $849
iPhone x $1149
iPhone Xs $1349

iPhone 6 Plus $949
iPhone 6S plus $949
iPhone 7 Plus $969
iPhone 8 Plus $949
iPhone XS Max $1449

So simple maths shows that apple’s two flagship models based on jobs roadmap, which would have been upto 5 years , as most organisations, saw the iPhone locked in price wise .

Now we enter Cooks new era of the iPhone iPhone X is about 35% increase over 7, XS is 17% over X.... in two years two years from the iPhone 7 flagship, the XS is now about 58% price hike.

From the 7/8 plus, the new large size screen XS max is over 50% increase.

You can do Samsung prices over the years .... you will see where they jumped

Cook is the CEO - buck stops with the leader , as does criticism etc .... who do do you want me to critise for 50% price hikes?? It’s called accountability and responsibility, a function of CEO. Yes I get prices are not at by CEO, but if the CEO is running a company where prices need to rise, he is failing in other parts....

Anyway , enjoy your research into competitors prices 2017-2018 to coincide with launch of the X - and remember , the industry was well aware ahead of launch that Apple was pricing the x at $1000. So even in August , Samsung would have been taking a calculated move based on that.

Yes I blame Apple for current smartphone prices, as I did with Nvidia in 2013 with the launch of the Titan , feel free to research how that impacted the industry, and GPU prices going up all round.

If that list is ordered by screen size a very different picture emerges. As I said earlier, this is all about spin.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

If that list is ordered by screen size a very different picture emerges. As I said earlier, this is all about spin.

We are talking about prices of past and current flagship units . Please don’t straw man

 

[I7guy]

We are talking about prices of past and current flagship units . Please don’t straw man

Please don’t confuse a straw man argument with apples strategy. We are discussing how apple is pricing the phones and this pricing is apparently along the lines of screen size.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Please don’t confuse a straw man argument with apples strategy. We are discussing how apple is pricing the phones and this pricing is apparently along the lines of screen size.

Cannot compute! How can you not hate Tim Cook and Apple?! How is this possible? Does not compute. Does not compute. <overheats>.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Please don’t confuse a straw man argument with apples strategy. We are discussing how apple is pricing the phones and this pricing is apparently along the lines of screen size.

We are discussing the price of apple’s top spec flagship models since iPhone 6 and where price increased happened

We are NOT discussing functions or features of those flagship units , which screen size is one .

So Again , please don’t straw man.
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Cannot compute! How can you not hate Tim Cook and Apple?! How is this possible? Does not compute. Does not compute. <overheats>.

Thanks for the dig mate though good humour .

I have been with Apple since 1980 and went through the Sculley Era, least give me a little respect for my past experience. I love apple , and Sculley almost ruined it .

 

[chrono1081]

The new iPhones aren't failing. If you want lots of high tech, you'll pay high prices. This is literally nothing new.

 

[timeconsumer]

We are discussing the price of apple’s top spec flagship models since iPhone 6 and where price increased happened

We are NOT discussing functions or features of those flagship units , which screen size is one .

So Again , please don’t straw man.

I think he’s stating that the prices on the iPhone 6/6s/7 remained the same. What caused the increase in price was due to a larger screen size starting with the 6 Plus which added $100 more at each storage tier.

The 8 was the first smaller iPhone (of the classic design) that increased in price. Went from $649 starting to $699. I think the 7 Plus was the first larger iPhone (of the classic design) to see a price increase which went from $749 to $769. Then the 8 Plus went to $799 starting.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

I think he’s stating that the prices on the iPhone 6/6s/7 remained the same. What caused the increase in price was due to a larger screen size starting with the 6 Plus which added $100 more at each storage tier.

The 8 was the first smaller iPhone (of the classic design) that increased in price. Went from $649 starting to $699. I think the 7 Plus was the first larger iPhone (of the classic design) to see a price increase which went from $749 to $769. Then the 8 Plus went to $799 starting.

I can accept that as another discussion. I did not want to go a rabbit hole about one feature .

Anyway , to counter the screen arguement , The X top spec, to XS top spec went up 17% in one year - same screen . Apple is just raising the prices ....

Even if the move to larger screen size and Oled was from 7 to x was 35% price increase , no excuse to raise the price 17% following year . I was okay if the new price point for top spec flagship iPhone was 1149 for next 4 or so years , I am not okay with annual price hikes .

Sadly as a consumer who was buying a 7 for 849, is now paying 1349... almost 60% more .

 

[PortoMavericks]

I wonder if Tim Cook will be brave enough to steer this ship and bring it to a different direction.

I mean, it's a difficult decision since Apple probably already has their plans in place for 2019, with just "S like" improvements to all iPhones. If they decide to keep their supposedly current plans, 2019 will be a very difficult year in sales and public opinion.

 

[ftaok]

Anyway , to counter the screen arguement , The X top spec, to XS top spec went up 17% in one year - same screen . Apple is just raising the prices ....

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Now you're just cherry picking. The top spec Xs is more expensive than the top spec X because it has an additional 256GB of storage. The 64 and 256 are priced the same. There was no price increase.

 

[BigMcGuire]

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Thanks for the dig mate though good humour .

I have been with Apple since 1980 and went through the Sculley Era, least give me a little respect for my past experience. I love apple , and Sculley almost ruined it .

No worries, just trying to have fun and lighten the mood. Macrumors is turning into a bash apple fest these days so I'm a bit sore from that as well. I didn't mean to bash you specifically, just the thread atmosphere.

1980s! Dang. My first Apple product I bought with my own money was 2013 - used an Apple II when I was a kid in the early 90s though.

I can respect the love for Apple, I'm all with you there.
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Now you're just cherry picking. The top spec Xs is more expensive than the top spec X because it has an additional 256GB of storage. The 64 and 256 are priced the same. There was no price increase.

The ability to finally put my 172 GB photo/video database on my phone is so frigging cool. Just yesterday I got it ALL done after a few weeks of preparation and uploading/downloading. Started last week with my MacBook Photo database uploading to iCloud, then down to my iPhone. iPhone already had 52 GB of the Mac OS db and it meshed together perfectly with no duplicates. Loving my 512 GB iPhone and now everything is in iCloud.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Now you're just cherry picking. The top spec Xs is more expensive than the top spec X because it has an additional 256GB of storage. The 64 and 256 are priced the same. There was no price increase.

And the iPhone 7 had 256 vrs the iPhone 6 128 and the price did not change .

You assumption is that storage prices are going up. The reason Apple did not charge more for 256 from 128 is cause price goes down each year .....
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No worries, just trying to have fun and lighten the mood. Macrumors is turning into a bash apple fest these days so I'm a bit sore from that as well. I didn't mean to bash you specifically, just the thread atmosphere.

1980s! Dang. My first Apple product I bought with my own money was 2013 - used an Apple II when I was a kid in the early 90s though.

I can respect the love for Apple, I'm all with you there.
[doublepost=1545837218][/doublepost]

The ability to finally put my 172 GB photo database on my phone is so frigging cool. Just yesterday I got it ALL done after a few weeks of preparation and uploading/downloading. Started last week with my MacBook Photo database uploading to iCloud, then down to my iPhone. iPhone already had 52 GB of the Mac OS db and it meshed together perfectly with no duplicates. Loving my 512 GB iPhone and now everything is in iCloud.

Grumpy old man. Due to history and bit horrified there is no Steve this time to bring Apple back , if the worst happens .

Merry Xmas

 

[noobinator]

No matter who says they are failing or not selling the fact is, the prices will not drop until people stop buying them, which hasn't happened yet as far as I can tell.

 

[I7guy]

We are discussing the price of apple’s top spec flagship models since iPhone 6 and where price increased happened

We are NOT discussing functions or features of those flagship units , which screen size is one .

So Again , please don’t straw man.

Is it a straw man because you don’t agree? I don’t know what conversion you are in but there is a discussion going on that can kill that horse again that revolves around apparent increases in the price of phones over many years. To that I say, absolutely. But it’s not like a dozen eggs that increased in price.

As apple has included more tech than the previous year they have priced that phone to market.

Thanks for the dig mate though good humour .

I have been with Apple since 1980 and went through the Sculley Era, least give me a little respect for my past experience. I love apple , and Sculley almost ruined it .

Your dollar doesn’t mean any more than my dollar if you understand the point.

 

[ftaok]

And the iPhone 7 had 256 vrs the iPhone 6 128 and the price did not change .

You assumption is that storage prices are going up. The reason Apple did not charge more for 256 from 128 is cause price goes down each year .....as

if my memory serves me, the 128gb iPhone 6 was the top tier. 16/64/128. The pricing was $650/750/850. For the iPhone 7, two years later. The storage tiers we're 32/128/256 at the same prices.

For the X to Xs, Apple added a storage tier. The X had 64/256. The Xs has 64/256/512. If Apple had only released the Xs with 256/512 options and priced it at $1150/1350, then your argument would be valid.

 

[timeconsumer]

I can accept that as another discussion. I did not want to go a rabbit hole about one feature .

Anyway , to counter the screen arguement , The X top spec, to XS top spec went up 17% in one year - same screen . Apple is just raising the prices ....

Even if the move to larger screen size and Oled was from 7 to x was 35% price increase , no excuse to raise the price 17% following year . I was okay if the new price point for top spec flagship iPhone was 1149 for next 4 or so years , I am not okay with annual price hikes .

Sadly as a consumer who was buying a 7 for 849, is now paying 1349... almost 60% more .

I think a better comparison is for the starting price points. The iPhone X started at $999 and only had two price points. One at $999, and one at $1149.

The iPhone XS has three price points: $999, $1149 and a new one, $1349.

So, realistically the X to XS did not change in price, it just added another storage tier with 512GB which is an insane amount of storage for a phone.

 

[The Game 161]

No matter who says they are failing or not selling the fact is, the prices will not drop until people stop buying them, which hasn't happened yet as far as I can tell.

We can hope in 2019

If price stay the same maybe sales aren’t so bad after all

 

[I7guy]

I can accept that as another discussion. I did not want to go a rabbit hole about one feature .

Anyway , to counter the screen arguement , The X top spec, to XS top spec went up 17% in one year - same screen . Apple is just raising the prices ....

Even if the move to larger screen size and Oled was from 7 to x was 35% price increase , no excuse to raise the price 17% following year . I was okay if the new price point for top spec flagship iPhone was 1149 for next 4 or so years , I am not okay with annual price hikes .

Sadly as a consumer who was buying a 7 for 849, is now paying 1349... almost 60% more .

That consumer you refer to...is only paying more if said consumer wants a 6.5 inch screen. If said consumer wants a screen nearly equivalent to the plus, consumer will pay only a small increment. It’s like the buyer of Porsche 918 for $845K. Hi tech and expensive and that’s the upgrade path from a 911. But an equivalent model won’t cost $845K.

And the iPhone 7 had 256 vrs the iPhone 6 128 and the price did not change .

You assumption is that storage prices are going up. The reason Apple did not charge more for 256 from 128 is cause price goes down each year .....
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Grumpy old man. Due to history and bit horrified there is no Steve this time to bring Apple back , if the worst happens .

Merry Xmas

Don’t worry about what you can’t control.

 

[dk001]

No worries, just trying to have fun and lighten the mood. Macrumors is turning into a bash apple fest these days so I'm a bit sore from that as well. I didn't mean to bash you specifically, just the thread atmosphere.

1980s! Dang. My first Apple product I bought with my own money was 2013 - used an Apple II when I was a kid in the early 90s though.

I can respect the love for Apple, I'm all with you there.
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The ability to finally put my 172 GB photo/video database on my phone is so frigging cool. Just yesterday I got it ALL done after a few weeks of preparation and uploading/downloading. Started last week with my MacBook Photo database uploading to iCloud, then down to my iPhone. iPhone already had 52 GB of the Mac OS db and it meshed together perfectly with no duplicates. Loving my 512 GB iPhone and now everything is in iCloud.

Just curious ... Why all on your phone?