iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing

[Hernan4651]

Ming-Chi Kuo, one of the most trustworthy Apple analists, reduced by 20% his forecast for Iphone units Shipments for the upcoming quarters.
That say something i think. They are selling good, but not as expected

 

[tromboneaholic]

Ming-Chi Kuo, one of the most trustworthy Apple analists, reduced by 20% his forecast for Iphone units Shipments for the upcoming quarters.
That say something i think. They are selling good, but not as expected

He does the same thing almost every single year.

He estimates high sales every year, and Apple stock goes up. Then he starts cutting his own estimates, and Apple stock goes down.

His sources for new product leaks at Foxconn don't give him special insight into actual sales, as previous years have already demonstrated.

 

[StaceyMJ86]

Not sure why one city would have everybody owning them but be so sparse elsewhere? Is the need for one specific iPhone so centric depending on the city?

I live in Washington, DC and I’ve seen so many X/XS and XS Max in the wild but have yet to see one XR. Of course I see many Android phones but the iPhones stick out so much. There are even kids my daughter’s age (7) walking around with a X or XS. My father even went and bought my daughter a X for her 7th birthday last month, and I thought it was ridiculous for a 7yo to have a 1k phone

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The link you provided doesn't show all the countries Apple launched iPhones in last year or this year, including China.

Where was your link?

Yeah it’s tough to compare wages meaning latest and greatest phones

Anthony Davis who is on what 30-40 million a year in a wages but was spotted with an iPhone 7 Plus so to some having up to date phones doesn’t always mean much when it comes to total salary.

My Boss is worth €100m and uses an iPhone 7 Plus lol. He’s got a new iPad Pro though lol.

 

[PBz]

You cannot correlate to income. I have seen at least two people.. who I know what they do.. and about how much they make and they have XSM.Maybe they are debt-free.. pret

I live in Washington, DC and I’ve seen so many X/XS and XS Max in the wild but have yet to see one XR. Of course I see many Android phones but the iPhones stick out so much. There are even kids my daughter’s age (7) walking around with a X or XS. My father even went and bought my daughter a X for her 7th birthday last month, and I thought it was ridiculous for a 7yo to have a 1k phone

How do you tell the newly-purchased XS from the X that the owner is passing up upgrading?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I live in Washington, DC and I’ve seen so many X/XS and XS Max in the wild but have yet to see one XR. Of course I see many Android phones but the iPhones stick out so much. There are even kids my daughter’s age (7) walking around with a X or XS. My father even went and bought my daughter a X for her 7th birthday last month, and I thought it was ridiculous for a 7yo to have a 1k phone

Yeah that’s ridiculous and far removed from where I live. It’s not usual to see a family on benefits driving a £30k BMW though and that’s ridiculous too.

 

[PBz]

We are a tech house.
I worked in the mobile device industry for a long time... still in IT.

No way I would allow my 7 year-old to have a phone.
Each their own but that is my opinion.

FTR, both of my kids (5 and 7) have iPads. They also use the iMac and even know keyboard shortcuts. WTS, they both are without them for a few weeks as the passive engagement has been too much lately with baseball and football season over. All about balance but when you can see negative effects you step in.

My son has had an iPad since he was 1. I got it free used from a friend in the industry. I have seen the positives but we are also seeing a lot of the negatives lately. Maybe if use was games and puzzles that engage the mind.. but I swear YouTube Kids is creating little mindless zombies... not to mention my (already spoiled) kids asking why they don’t get new toys every day like the kids on YT. Yeah.. definitely some tech timeout (likely for us the parents as well).

 

[Shanghaichica]

He does the same thing almost every single year.

He estimates high sales every year, and Apple stock goes up. Then he starts cutting his own estimates, and Apple stock goes down.

His sources for new product leaks at Foxconn don't give him special insight into actual sales, as previous years have already demonstrated.

Ming Chi has a good track record for predicting future iPhones and Apple products but not so much for sales forecasts.
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I live in Washington, DC and I’ve seen so many X/XS and XS Max in the wild but have yet to see one XR. Of course I see many Android phones but the iPhones stick out so much. There are even kids my daughter’s age (7) walking around with a X or XS. My father even went and bought my daughter a X for her 7th birthday last month, and I thought it was ridiculous for a 7yo to have a 1k phone

I saw a 12/13 year old in the town centre with an X/Xs today. Wow the things kids these days have.

 

[GuruZac]

Apple needs to start cutting features from older devices. There is no way they should offer new features to old and new phones. Give people features so it is worth upgrading to

I disagree. To credit Apple, they are the only smartphone manufacturer who supports devices for 5 years. That's impressive. It has actually cost them upgrades for sure, but I think they've more than offset that with the cost of the newest phones.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple needs to start cutting features from older devices. There is no way they should offer new features to old and new phones. Give people features so it is worth upgrading to

So what’s the incentive to keep an iPhone longer than a year from a consumer point of view? As a consumer yourself do you honestly want what you’ve said here?

 

[Jordan921]

The OP was giving a reason to as why the new iPhones may be failing, yes there are choices, but let’s face facts this is why the new iPhones are failing.

There’s proof the new phones are failing?

 

[tromboneaholic]

There’s proof the new phones are failing?

Somebody in Wales says rich farmers in his neighborhood don't buy them.

 

[Jordan921]

Somebody in Wales says rich farmers in his neighborhood don't buy them.

Damn those rich farmers

 

[rdillon2008]

So what’s the incentive to keep an iPhone longer than a year from a consumer point of view? As a consumer yourself do you honestly want what you’ve said here?

Well...No! One the other hand, they are losing because they are offering features which are the same to the new and old phones so why would people buy the phone. Why would someone buy a xs when they can get a 7 plus that have the same features smt

 

[Raist3001]

Well...No! One the other hand, they are losing because they are offering features which are the same to the new and old phones so why would people buy the phone. Why would someone buy a xs when they can get a 7 plus that have the same features smt

So then why did you buy a XS MAX and not a 7+? (serious question in regards to your statement)

 

[davedvdy]

Well...No! One the other hand, they are losing because they are offering features which are the same to the new and old phones so why would people buy the phone. Why would someone buy a xs when they can get a 7 plus that have the same features smt

I think your argument is going from one extreme to the other. There are obvious hardware improvements there, too.

Many don't argue that the new iPhones aren't better, it's just the $ amount or margin of "better", for an individual to justify an upgrade.

So technically, a XS Max is better than a 7 Plus, more from a hardware standpoint. Much higher contrast ratio, better processor, dual SIM, better camera, a bigger screen in a slightly smaller body size, etc. These differences may not matter to some, and matter to others, but functionally you can do much of the same things on both and still enjoy them, so many will be complacent and hold onto their devices.

We used to afford these benefits for far cheaper. $100 - $300 + full sales tax (USD) used to be the norm for a 2 yr contract years ago.

Lack of carrier contract discounts + raising prices = holding onto a phone much longer, similar to that of a laptop since they perform many of the same functions satisfactory to most.

 

[rdillon2008]

So then why did you buy a XS MAX and not a 7+? (serious question in regards to your statement)

We as tech individuals usually want the best and we don't use old tech. For me, I am an android user for years and I upgrade every year. I went from the 8 plus to the xs max because i wanted to try the OLED and and other features. Many people who don't upgrade is because they use their phones differently from tech people. I for one, knows that face ID and other features is something a few will try out such as myself. I just love new things!
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I think that argument is going from one extreme to the other. There are obvious hardware improvements there, too.

Many don't argue that the new iPhones aren't better, it's just the $ amount or margin of "better", for an individual to justify an upgrade.

So technically, a XS Max is better than a 7 Plus, more from a hardware standpoint. Much higher contrast ratio, better processor, dual SIM, better camera, a bigger screen in a slightly smaller body size, etc. These differences may not matter to some, and matter to others, but functionally you can do much of the same things on both and still enjoy them, so many will be complacent not to upgrade.

We used to afford these benefits for far cheaper. $100 - $300 + tax (USD) used to be the norm for a 2 yr contract years ago.

Lack of carrier contract discounts + raising prices = holding onto a phone much longer, similar to that of a laptop since they perform many of the same functions satisfactory to most.

If your product is too good, in the long run you will lose sales. The only way to get more sales is to use visually features in the new phones and don't make them available to the old ones. New features shouldn't be available in old phones. Updates can be available for old phones but not features.

 

[StaceyMJ86]

You cannot correlate to income. I have seen at least two people.. who I know what they do.. and about how much they make and they have XSM.Maybe they are debt-free.. pret

How do you tell the newly-purchased XS from the X that the owner is passing up upgrading?

I know several well off people that have iPhone 6/7/8, and I know you can’t go off income. I was just stating what I see mostly where I live and work. The only way I can tell if it’s the X or XS is by the gold color. I have a Space Gray X but because I usually upgrade yearly everyone think I got the XS and are shocked when I tell them it’s the X.

 

[StaceyMJ86]

We are a tech house.
I worked in the mobile device industry for a long time... still in IT.

No way I would allow my 7 year-old to have a phone.
Each their own but that is my opinion.

FTR, both of my kids (5 and 7) have iPads. They also use the iMac and even know keyboard shortcuts. WTS, they both are without them for a few weeks as the passive engagement has been too much lately with baseball and football season over. All about balance but when you can see negative effects you step in.

My son has had an iPad since he was 1. I got it free used from a friend in the industry. I have seen the positives but we are also seeing a lot of the negatives lately. Maybe if use was games and puzzles that engage the mind.. but I swear YouTube Kids is creating little mindless zombies... not to mention my (already spoiled) kids asking why they don’t get new toys every day like the kids on YT. Yeah.. definitely some tech timeout (likely for us the parents as well).

We are a tech house as well with iPads, Mac books and iPhones. My dad pay her bill but I have it locked down to certain websites, apps and games and and certain times she can have her phone which is usually the weekends for an hour at a time and when she’s at events after school or at dance class.

 

[PBz]

We are a tech house as well with iPads, Mac books and iPhones. My dad pay her bill but I have it locked down to certain websites, apps and games and and certain times she can have her phone which is usually the weekends for an hour at a time and when she’s at events after school or at dance class.

We do let our oldest text his grandma occasionally. Heck, his almost 90 year old great-grandfather has an iPhone.

 

[s15119]

Not really. The XS range appeals to a much smaller market segment than say the iPhone 6 ever did and that’s the reality. If it was popular to that degree we’d mostly all have one. When I say not popular I meant to the average iPhone user.

Really. That's not what popular or niche market means. Have a nice day. I won't be engaging with you again.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well...No! One the other hand, they are losing because they are offering features which are the same to the new and old phones so why would people buy the phone. Why would someone buy a xs when they can get a 7 plus that have the same features smt

So are you suggesting software updates with any new features should be ended within a year of an iPhone being released? That sounds rather crap when you’ve paid hundreds for a phone with the intention of keeping it a couple of years. Surely that would be even more off-putting for the consumer in the market for an iPhone? Sorry that’s a terrible idea.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Really. That's not what popular or niche market means. Have a nice day. I won't be engaging with you again.

If you can’t discuss without getting personal then I wish you all the best.

 

[OLDGUYWITHAHIFI]

Samsung not much better. Note 9 $999.00, and if you want 512 mircroSd that's another $150.00-190.00.

Manufacturers will charge what the market will bear. Whether it be Samsung or Apple or anyone else for that matter. The prices for both are too high and will only continue to rise. Maybe some will spend that extra cash to get the next model up... and then from there well it's only another $100 to the next one.

Next thing you know you are spending $1500 for a phone. What's another $100, right? A bunch of lattes for the month? I'll drink less. Where does it end?

I think Apple is pushing the limits of price and others will follow. As we can see they are starting to feel the effects of how far you can push consumers. I assume the market will correct itself at some point.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We as tech individuals usually want the best and we don't use old tech. For me, I am an android user for years and I upgrade every year. I went from the 8 plus to the xs max because i wanted to try the OLED and and other features. Many people who don't upgrade is because they use their phones differently from tech people. I for one, knows that face ID and other features is something a few will try out such as myself. I just love new things!
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There’s an awful lot of tech people here on Mac Rumours who don’t upgrade to the latest tech but are still passionate about technology. Best not to assume those of us on older devices aren’t tech people, that’s a slippery slope.