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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
I am very aware that the iPhones cost the same as the top tier android phones but you get cheaper hardware on the iPhone. They are pricing their products higher because they have a huge amount of people who will buy their products no matter what.

They have some of the best CPU's yes, but it's not the best anymore. Snapdragon 805 beats the A8 multi score by a thousand points. It's up there with the A8X in benchmarks. The GPU in apples processors are still one of a kind though.

Yeah and I'm arguing with a person who's screen name is jrswizzle. What's your point?

Not "no matter what" as you suggest. "No matter what" implies no differentiation on mobile devices, which of course isn't true.

People buy "their" products for their own reasons; whatever those reasons are.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Anyways, real bummer. Im looking for a phone with decent size but not bigger than 5.2-5.3"(id go 5.5" if the oversall size isnt too big) and this had great specs but of course they messed it up again by going exclusive.


For the OP...Apple isnt ever going to give you what you want in a huge bundle like that. They will creep along and add things over time and iFans will just be in awe when they get things years after it has been out already.

The iPhone 6 looks looks nice and all and they FINALLY made it bigger but for me, i just dont care for iOS and it still lacks for my liking.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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129
McKinney, TX
Since you people seem to think that I look like a major douche bashing apple, I will just say that that's not the case. I like Apple as a company and using my iPad Air and/or MacBook Air everyday. However, they just can't justify the prices on their phones.

I don't think you're a douche at all - I just think you're misinformed and I can't stand FUD being spewed around here. There's enough nonsense posted here without this crap.

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Anyways, real bummer. Im looking for a phone with decent size but not bigger than 5.2-5.3"(id go 5.5" if the oversall size isnt too big) and this had great specs but of course they messed it up again by going exclusive.


For the OP...Apple isnt ever going to give you what you want in a huge bundle like that. They will creep along and add things over time and iFans will just be in awe when they get things years after it has been out already.

The iPhone 6 looks looks nice and all and they FINALLY made it bigger but for me, i just dont care for iOS and it still lacks for my liking.

This would be true if all implementations of each feature were the same.

But they aren't. Apple's way =/= Samsung's way. Or Google's way. Or whomever's way.
 

cracksoup

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Mar 26, 2014
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(1) Please source the bolded - and when was the Snapdragon 805 (or better yet, a smartphone with it) released?

EDIT: Looks like the Note 4 (US version) is the first to have the 805 - from the AnTuTu benchmarks, in which it only out does the 801 by 1,000 on a much higher scale, my guess is it doesn't outperform the 801 by all that much in Geekbench (cross platform) and the 801 is very similar to the A8 in terms of score.

(2) Provide me with sources that Apple uses "cheaper" materials. Do you know the BOM for Samsung's flagship devices? How about HTC's? If you do (I would assume you would since you're making very definitive statements about Apple using "cheaper parts").

EDIT: Quick Google search for Samsung BOM's yielded results in the $230 range for the GS4/Note 3. Very similar to the iPhone 5S/6/6+. And they share the same consumer pricing as well.....fascinating.

(3) From the benchmarks I've seen, nothing comes within a thousand points of the A8X - though the Nexus 9 is not officially out yet and the Tegra K1 running it hasn't been benchmarked except in the Shield tablet (and it's quite a bit behind the A8X).

The A8X gets 4400 give or take on geekbench 3 and i've seen the Note 4 get 4000 points. It's pretty close if you ask me, but it could just be Samsung cheating on benchmarks again... And it edges out the A8 in many areas http://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-galaxy-note-4-benchmarks,news-19769.html
I know this source shows a pretty low geekbench score on the Note 4, but I've seen it just pass 4000 on YouTube videos. But as I said, it could very well be a trick by samsung.

The Note 4 costs a little more to produce
http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-gala...ive-produce-iphone-6-teardown-reveals-1700769
I am of course against child labour, but I am not sure if they are using children to manufacture the Note 4? It's a little more expensive than the 16GB iPhone 6 plus and a little cheaper than the 64Gb variant and you're getting much more powerful hardware. Apple could easily have thrown in 2GB of RAM and the Safari reloads would be no more and they would still have huge revenues.
 

nickchallis92

macrumors 6502a
Mar 4, 2012
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London
I could never spend £600 on a phone which had an LCD screen. I know I wouldn't be getting value for money.

It is old technology and you can see the poor contrast as soon as you look at one.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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McKinney, TX
The A8X gets 4400 give or take on geekbench 3 and i've seen the Note 4 get 4000 points. It's pretty close if you ask me, but it could just be Samsung cheating on benchmarks again... And it edges out the A8 in many areas http://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-galaxy-note-4-benchmarks,news-19769.html
I know this source shows a pretty low geekbench score on the Note 4, but I've seen it just pass 4000 on YouTube videos. But as I said, it could very well be a trick by samsung.

The Note 4 costs a little more to produce
http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-gala...ive-produce-iphone-6-teardown-reveals-1700769
I am of course against child labour, but I am not sure if they are using children to manufacture the Note 4? It's a little more expensive than the 16GB iPhone 6 plus and a little cheaper than the 64Gb variant and you're getting much more powerful hardware. Apple could easily have thrown in 2GB of RAM and the Safari reloads would be no more and they would still have huge revenues.

These companies COULD do any number of things. I personally don't have a problem with reloads on my iPhones. Just not necessary at this point.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,318
25,470
Wales, United Kingdom
I could never spend £600 on a phone which had an LCD screen. I know I wouldn't be getting value for money.

It is old technology and you can see the poor contrast as soon as you look at one.

Rubbish. There is nothing wrong with the quality of the iPhones Retina display. If it doesn't appeal then don't buy it. It doesn't mean it is poor quality for those that do.
 

Atomic Walrus

macrumors 6502a
Sep 24, 2012
878
434
The best smartphone display on the market right now is AMOLED. ;)

Unless you're focused on sunlight performance, or you get one of the (fairly common) panels from the edge of a sheet that has a gamma gradient all the way across it. Basically it's still new tech and there are issues like pixel half-life (like plasma these panels degrade over their lifespan, except right now it's much quicker than late-gen PDP).

That displaymate review was cooked, and by that I simply mean that the panel they received was an A+ picked off the QC line and not standard (even Anandtech's sample from Samsung wasn't as good). I'm sure Apple does this too, I'm just saying that one review gives you no idea about the variance in production units (usually newer tech = wider variance). The displays are excellent -- when the uniformity is good -- but not as good as that review makes them sound. (For a similar example see zero reviews mentioning rMBP screens with huge white point variances showing as blotchiness).

I agree that this tech is quite amazing from a pure display quality perspective, but I don't think we're actually in a situation where OLED is definitely better for most users yet. That day is coming though... Much like with plasma TVs once you see direct driven subpixel displays under controlled lighting you won't want to go back. Unlike plasma TVs OLED screens don't have to be heavier or significantly more power-hungry, the main points that led LCD to take plasma out of the market entirely.

I am very aware that the iPhones cost the same as the top tier android phones but you get cheaper hardware on the iPhone. They are pricing their products higher because they have a huge amount of people who will buy their products no matter what.

They have some of the best CPU's yes, but it's not the best anymore. Snapdragon 805 beats the A8 multi score by a thousand points. It's up there with the A8X in benchmarks. The GPU in apples processors are still one of a kind though.

On the contrary, Apple's SoCs are so far ahead of Qualcomm that even they'd likely admit it. In the real world only single core matters, and in that situation the 805 comes in halfway between A7 and A8. The vast majority of work the SoC does will not be well-threaded and you'll be waiting on a single large task to be completed by one core (in the general UI situation this will be pre-rendering compositing work).

The multi-core benchmarks you're quoting clearly didn't come from an actual production device, because the Note 4 gets 2800 on multi-core Geekbench, matching the iP6. This is purely an issue of thermal constraints. A theoretical 805 can go much higher, but not in a phone-sized chassis. Bringing the A8X into it (GB 4440 mult-core) highlights why Apple never went 3-core until now: The thermal overhead just now appeared due to a combination of thermal optimization and a large, flat, metal chassis. Adding an extra core before this point would have likely had little impact on the iPad (and I doubt it would help the 6/6+ at all since they're still thermally bound, incapable of getting a multi-core score of 2x(single-core) ).

I can promise you that efforts at Qualcomm right now are focused on matching Apple's single-core. They'll continue to market based on their higher number of cores, but only as a fallback.

This is actually why people hate Apple in the first place; They develop something impressive and then announce that you can only get access to it if you step into their walled garden. A world with Apple selling SoCs would be a world with much faster mobile devices in general (and I'd prefer it that way as a multi-platform user), but it will never happen.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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Direct or bright sunlight hasn't really been an issue for me on AMOLED screens. It's not perfect, I've went through the S3, S4, and now the Note 4 without any major screen complaints. When the sun occasionally does fade the display, turning on auto-brightness always fixes the issue.

AMOLED is deeper and richer in color. Also much less reflective.
 

sparky08

macrumors regular
Sep 11, 2013
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I welcome these devices. It will only push Apple to innovate faster.

Another article on this site's home page shows that Apple is losing U.S. share. Apple needs to wake up. Customers are checking out the competition. Not in droves, but enough to move the needle a few percentage points.
 

ucfgrad93

macrumors Core
Aug 17, 2007
19,579
10,875
Colorado
Rubbish. There is nothing wrong with the quality of the iPhones Retina display. If it doesn't appeal then don't buy it. It doesn't mean it is poor quality for those that do.

Agreed. While it may not be the best screen out there, it is still a great screen and I haven't read ANY complaints about it.
 

Savor

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Jun 18, 2010
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It makes me sick because it is only on Verizon. My first carrier back in 1999-2001 was Verizon but I want a GSM-version of this phone! This is what the Nexus 6 should have been!

That is the largest battery capacity ever found on an already efficient Snapdragon 805/non-phablet/tablet. And with Turbo charging like the Nexus 6, just wow. I can't wait to see the battery scores. Could very well CRUSH Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. The SOT could be 15-20 hrs for all we know.
 

Bahroo

macrumors 68000
Jul 21, 2012
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stop drinking the synthetic benchmark koolaid that anandtech pushes out there. It means nothing to me because they dont measure real life performance.


If I want a 16:9 tablet for home media, I go to android because it is unbeatable. I dont have to jump through hoops to get a movie playing on my tablet. Nor if I want to sync that movie to my TV from my tablet, I similarly dont have to jump through holes. Either I have chromecast, or I dont. Either I have the right HDMI cable, or I dont; it is truly plug and play.

Can your benchmarks measure that?

My samsung tablet lets me splitscreen youtube and a note taking app. Dialer and note taking app. music app and email app. email app and youtube. web browser and youtube.

Where in those benchmarks does it show me how much more efficient I am by not having to jump through windows to copy and paste something when I can literally do it all on 1 screen?

synthetic benchmarks LOL? why is there still finger input delay on a Snapdragon 805 device? it still isn't as smooth and follows your finger as instant as iOS yet, why does the i6 and 6 Plus win in real world benchmark videos and "real world examples" then? alot of videos on Youtube show this, the iPhone 6 plus and 6 cant be catch by current crop of devices right now, and that apps reload just as much on Android if not even more on Android.

Let me know how having all those windows on a touch screen glass tablet works out for you LOL that is terrible unproductive and clunky, first of all the windows start to lag and have frame rate lag when you have even two windows open, opening up even more windows on Android with running multi window apps starts to lag, what does Chromecast have to do with anything? I can use my iOS device on Chromecast lmfao and it gains and grows a longer support list by the day,

and sorry man but your 16:9 preference is just a preference and total opinion, in my eyes using a 4:3 tablet for web browsing and alot other things is dramatically better then 16:9, also I use MXplayer and I am able to essentially get full screen with extremely little crop on my iPad,

of course "benchmarks" now dont matter when a iOS device beats the Android competition lmao you Android fanboys are too much lmao.

the apple A8>> Snapdragon 805, you realize Qualcomm has been feeding you the same processor essentially for the past 2 years LOL , the 805 is not even like 10-15% faster on the CPU side then the 800 which came out over a year ago, the 801 is basically same **** as a 800, but a better bin of the 800, and a 805 is dead in the water, they took to long to realize it and there is barely any gains at all going from a 801 to a 805 besides GPU and brand new ISP(new GPU powering Quad HD displays now it puts it performance on par with Adreno 330, or actually even slightly worse then Adreno 330 at Quad HD resolutions, which the 5S gpu is even faster then the Adreno 330 and that was in last years iPhone)

it's beyond evident the smoother games that run better on iOS, the better app support, and the apps that perform better on iOS then it's Android counterpart

The Power VR GX6450 GPU found in the Plus and 6 are superior to the Adreno 420, and the Apple A8 CPU cores in the A8 (Enhanced Cyclone) is noticeably faster single core performance then the Snapdragon 805, even though it is clocked at 2.7 ghz per core and the A8 is only a dual core 1.4 ghz 64 bit ArmV8 chip, no smartphone has single core performance and single thread performance like a iPhone 6 and 6 plus right now and this is why they are the fastest smartphones on the planet, not even a spec sheet of a 805 and 3GB of RAM beats it, the 805 is slower, and also is not offering performance like the Apple A8 at this time.

Multi window on a 5 inch device = absolutely useless and counterproductive, I literally have never used that feature on multiple android devices I owned ever in my life, and all my friends and co workers who have Android's, have never used that feature in their life nor have they ever even showed me that feature because its honestly clunky and counter productive. It sucks that the frame rate drops noticeably once you even open up one window in multi window.

the 6 plus and 6 beat the Android smartphone competition in benchmarks and in real world performance, and this is even all without Apple Metal yet which barely has been incorporated into applications yet(not only does it work for games, it can work for other applications too, boosting GPU and CPU performance by alot, like in movie editing applications, or audio processing, etc, making the CPU and GPU work as tandem as one.)

smh at Android fanboys, they think they know so much about hardware and call iSheeps "dumb with technology and dont know nothing" and then they think that when they look at the spec sheet and see a quad core 2.7 ghz and all this specs it automatically means better performance and is better LOL, dead wrong. This is just like Intel vs AMD, a intel quad core is able to noticeably beat a AMD octo core 8 core CPU that is clocked even higher then the Intel quad core, why is this? Because Intel's single core performance blows away AMD's, in a world where a bunch of desktop applications dont even take good advantage or utilize alot of cores properly at all and that alot of desktop applications still only use 2 cores the most(even though the introduction of multi core CPU's came out about 10 years ago )what makes you think multi threading and multi core is so amazing on Mobile lmfao? the truth of the matter is that, quad cores and octo cores are useless for mobile right now, single core performance and single threading performance is king and the most important and crucial for mobile performance and mobile application performance, and Apple understands and sees this, they are going the Intel route, and this is why they are putting better performing SoC's on the market then the competition now, the A8X is faster then the Nvidia Tegra K1 Denver SoC found in the Nexus 9 that sports a K1 Kepler GPU.

Apple's iPad Air 2 has the fastest ARM SoC chip in the world right now, and the 6 and 6 Plus have the fastest smartphone SoC's right now.
 
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jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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stop drinking the synthetic benchmark koolaid that anandtech pushes out there. It means nothing to me because they dont measure real life performance.


If I want a 16:9 tablet for home media, I go to android because it is unbeatable. I dont have to jump through hoops to get a movie playing on my tablet. Nor if I want to sync that movie to my TV from my tablet, I similarly dont have to jump through holes. Either I have chromecast, or I dont. Either I have the right HDMI cable, or I dont; it is truly plug and play.

Can your benchmarks measure that?

My samsung tablet lets me splitscreen youtube and a note taking app. Dialer and note taking app. music app and email app. email app and youtube. web browser and youtube.

Where in those benchmarks does it show me how much more efficient I am by not having to jump through windows to copy and paste something when I can literally do it all on 1 screen?

As an Apple user, I'm not sure what hoops or holes you are referring to that I'm supposed to have to jump through to do the tasks you mentioned.

It's quite easy for me AirPlay any movie or video on any of my TV's all with AppleTVs. I can also AirPlay a movie or video and then use a different app while I watch. Why would I need to split screen the music app? It all plays in the background while I do other things and controls are a swipe away.

What windows are am I jumping through in copying and pasting something on iOS? I select, copy what I want, 4 finger swipe to the app I'm pasting in and paste.

How is that difficult?

Split screen may be nice for some things. I'm certainly not against Apple adding it. But I also am not terribly keen on splitting already somewhat small displays (9.7", 5.5", 4.7") into even smaller windows.
 

Hal~9000

macrumors 68020
Sep 13, 2014
2,184
2,183
It's one beastly phone but since it's Verizon exclusive...

Say goodbye to an international version.

False, global GSM version most likely debuting Nov 5th:
http://m.gsmarena.com/a_global_vers...turbo_to_be_unveiled_in_brazil-news-10075.php

gsmarena_002.jpg


The new Motorola Droid Turbo garnered great interest but as a Verizon-exclusive it felt out of reach. Now Motorola is sending out invites for a November 5 event to announce a global rollout. The invite doesn't call out the device by name but the corner of the back shows Droid Turbo's characteristic Ballistic Nylon back.
 

Bahroo

macrumors 68000
Jul 21, 2012
1,860
2
I completely agree with you and as soon as I can play Hearthstone on it I will be like the cat that caught the canary. It is an amazingly light and beautiful tablet, one of the best I have bought so far and that includes ipads.



I agree it's nice to see possible competition with Sammy etc, the only suck factor is the bloody exclusivity. I really hate that with phones, I think it's what stymied the first gen Moto X in Canada. One of the best rated phones around and only available on "robbers". I think exclusivity hurts the OEMS more than it helps them especially if its one of their flag ship releases.



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Really? Just really? There are millions of users that are just as happy with their Android or Windows phone experience. Apple does not have the market cornered on user experience. I have happily used both and I can tell you other than perhaps one thing (inability to completely back up my phone and apps the way Apple has it set up) is the ONLY thing I miss about iOS. I hate it when people on forums puke out trite statements that they have been fed by others.

"It just works" Tell that to all of the new iOS8 people who have trouble connecting with wifi. Time and time again with every update of the OS. Or people who have their devices rendered virtually useless when updates come up and they are trusting that since it is available to their devices, that it is safe and a good thing to do.

Maybe Android doesn't support some of the older devices, but at least you can revert back to the older version if it doesn't work or if you are tech savvy enough you can use custom ROMs to get the latest.

I would rather have the upgrade not available to my mom than to have to explain why she has to fork out 800.00 for a new phone because an update frigged hers up.

User experience indeed!!

/rant over

The adaptive color correction thing is only in a few certain Samsung applications, which makes it essentially almost useless.

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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/droid-turbo-battery-life,news-19846.html

So much for the massive battery for nothing, it doesnt even get as good battery life as the M8 or the Plus, what a fail, the device at its thickest point is over 10 mm thick, they put a massive 3900 mAh battery and it is still not enough ....smh...and this is what exactly Android OEM's and manufacturers do to so called Android fanboys who know all about specs and hardware(actually most of them don't have a clue at all though)
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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McKinney, TX
The adaptive color correction thing is only in a few certain Samsung applications, which makes it essentially almost useless.

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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/droid-turbo-battery-life,news-19846.html

So much for the massive battery for nothing, it doesnt even get as good battery life as the M8 or the Plus, what a fail, the device at its thickest point is over 10 mm thick, they put a massive 3900 mAh battery and it is still not enough ....smh...and this is what exactly Android OEM's and manufacturers do to so called Android fanboys who know all about specs and hardware(actually most of them don't have a clue at all though)

Fine print in that "48 hours of battery life" claim:

The company's estimate is "based on an average user profile that includes both usage and standby."

My 6+ can definitely last 2 days if I include standby time. My iPad lasts a week.
 

Bahroo

macrumors 68000
Jul 21, 2012
1,860
2
As an Apple user, I'm not sure what hoops or holes you are referring to that I'm supposed to have to jump through to do the tasks you mentioned.

It's quite easy for me AirPlay any movie or video on any of my TV's all with AppleTVs. I can also AirPlay a movie or video and then use a different app while I watch. Why would I need to split screen the music app? It all plays in the background while I do other things and controls are a swipe away.

What windows are am I jumping through in copying and pasting something on iOS? I select, copy what I want, 4 finger swipe to the app I'm pasting in and paste.

How is that difficult?

Split screen may be nice for some things. I'm certainly not against Apple adding it. But I also am not terribly keen on splitting already somewhat small displays (9.7", 5.5", 4.7") into even smaller windows.


He is grasping at straws , its beyond easy and simple and fast to use Airplay/Chromecast on iOS, The best thing about iOS? It has both Apple and googles whole ecosystem onboard, cant beat that
 

macfoxpro

macrumors 6502
May 17, 2011
499
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USA
What about the people like me who really couldn't quote what spec their phone is running though? lol I could look it up, but couldn't tell you off the top of my head. That just goes to show that its the OS and user experience is what I look at rather than what the phone has under the hood. New features are always welcome, but not everybody is geeky enough to know or care about what spec their mobile phone has. I bet my wife doesn't know either :p

Well, what makes you enjoy your iPhone so much is the specs under the hood. But, then again, I do get your point though.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
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He is grasping at straws , its beyond easy and simple and fast to use Airplay/Chromecast on iOS, The best thing about iOS? It has both Apple and googles whole ecosystem onboard, cant beat that

Well, ios can only mirror the screen via airplay

And android likewise is the only one who can mirror to chromecast

Can't wait for a device that can mirror on both os's

Fwiw the android app allcast can do airplay from an android device (not screen mirroring though)
 

diamond.g

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2007
11,445
2,674
OBX
The adaptive color correction thing is only in a few certain Samsung applications, which makes it essentially almost useless.

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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/droid-turbo-battery-life,news-19846.html

So much for the massive battery for nothing, it doesnt even get as good battery life as the M8 or the Plus, what a fail, the device at its thickest point is over 10 mm thick, they put a massive 3900 mAh battery and it is still not enough ....smh...and this is what exactly Android OEM's and manufacturers do to so called Android fanboys who know all about specs and hardware(actually most of them don't have a clue at all though)

Ironically that giant resolution comes at a price... Other devices have lower resolutions displays and thus require less power (they are effectively testing screen on time).
 
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