Things like wireless bugs sounds like software issues. I'd expect things like this to be ironed out with Leopard, since Tiger was created initially primarily for PPC.
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you do imply quite explicitly that chinese = bad quality, i'm just telling you that is most certainly not true.
the problematic intel macs are due to design errors rather than manufacture errors... mostly.
Let me refer you to some real information regarding quality:
http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/laptops.html - 41% of the rev A 15" Al PBs needed repair in their first year.
http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/macbooks.html - not directly comparable since they haven't been out for a year.
http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/laptops.html - 41% of the rev A 15" Al PBs needed repair in their first year.
http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/macbooks.html - not directly comparable since they haven't been out for a year.
It is worth noting that if you are basing your opinion on the QA of Intel Macs only on what MacRumors people post then you are looking at the negative side of the spectrum.
People come to MR to complain about big or small or minute issues with their computers. So you have to take it on faith that Apple is doing just fine and that the Intels will hold up just fine.
Look at PC's with Intel chips, they've lasted just fine haven't they? A Mac nowadays is no different except it runs a different primary OS.
Relax Everyone. It's gonna be OK!
People come to MR to complain about big or small or minute issues with their computers. So you have to take it on faith that Apple is doing just fine and that the Intels will hold up just fine.
Look at PC's with Intel chips, they've lasted just fine haven't they? A Mac nowadays is no different except it runs a different primary OS.
Relax Everyone. It's gonna be OK!
Yeah, I definitely agree it's a software issue with intel and Tiger. I hope 10.4.9 fixes it, and I'm sure Leopard will. As for the build quality of my imac, it's fine, if nobody told me it was made in China I'd have no idea. It's certainly ignorant to equate "Chinese" with "shoddy" from a racial standpoint, and I'm sure few people on this forum are that ignorant. You get what your chosen company pays its employees for more so than you get what you pay for, and I'm sure if they were making more than $2 a day for most products shipped from China, the build quality of Chinese imports would be better.
I think it is too early to speculate on reliability of intel Mac because it has been just about a year from the launch.
The manufacturing location is not relevant in this age. Production quality made in China has increased significantly over the course of years and there is no stigma of "cheap Chinese low quality" stereo-type now. Mass-production is fairly automated and very mundane process without too much of human input during the production (even though there is the quality checks along the production line to make sure products are assembled according to specs).
Blaming the country of the production for the product quality is so out-dated now in this global economy in which many companies are doing productions outside of their home country.
The manufacturing location is not relevant in this age. Production quality made in China has increased significantly over the course of years and there is no stigma of "cheap Chinese low quality" stereo-type now. Mass-production is fairly automated and very mundane process without too much of human input during the production (even though there is the quality checks along the production line to make sure products are assembled according to specs).
Blaming the country of the production for the product quality is so out-dated now in this global economy in which many companies are doing productions outside of their home country.
I think people are forgetting that there's more to the hardware change-over than purely getting a different processor. Apple's new relationship with Intel means that whether a product is any good or not actually has a lot to do with the Intel subsystems.
Example - wireless reception in my Mac Mini Intel is hopeless.
I think they're using Intel wireless for this, if I'm not mistaken. Older G3/G4 machines I've owned that used Lucent technology were consistently very good wirelessly.
Example - wireless reception in my Mac Mini Intel is hopeless.
I think they're using Intel wireless for this, if I'm not mistaken. Older G3/G4 machines I've owned that used Lucent technology were consistently very good wirelessly.
Maybe in the US but here it was $1000. The 60GB iPod photo was $949 when it came out.
The RevA 15'' Al PBs needed repairs mostly for the display problems (white blotches) and hinges, meaning that the problems were concentrated in a couple of areas. The MBPs' issues are all over the place, according to the survey, meaning that you do not know where the next problem will come from. Hopefully, future revisions will eliminate and reduce the severity of most issues, because as of now, I feel that it is not worth to ditch my PB for an intel machine.
i read somewhere that the instruction given to operators to apply thermal paste was incorrect, they had to give out another set of instruction
The apparent increase in issues can actually be a sign of a good thing.
If people only complain and rarely compliment the amount of complaints may be indicative of a larger market. And with a larger market comes issues if the the factory has to deliver more than planned and that too can contribute to issues. The increase in problems that we are seeing may just be part of a growing market and by percent be similar to what Apple has always experienced.
Just a thought.
If people only complain and rarely compliment the amount of complaints may be indicative of a larger market. And with a larger market comes issues if the the factory has to deliver more than planned and that too can contribute to issues. The increase in problems that we are seeing may just be part of a growing market and by percent be similar to what Apple has always experienced.
Just a thought.
Exactly.
IMO, some forum members seem to be only familiar with the later generation (and virtually perfect) iBooks and PowerBooks and unaware (or purposefully ignorant) of the fact that Apple appears to have had similar "teething issues" with prior PPC releases.
IIRC, weren't the major initial MBP issues (Buzzing, Whining, Mooing and Hissing) all logicboard related and either fixed by a later, updated logicboard reversion or an SMC update that changed some settings on the logicboard?
As pointed out earlier, Apple's had zero prior experience designing Intel-based machines, and IIRC, all of those issues were addressed on later batches of Rev. A products, so I guess that answers your question itself, no?
You say this like Apple has a choice.
Hasn't Apple doubled its notebook market share this year? Do you remember how long it took for them to get caught up with the demand for the new MacBook and MacBook Pro?Yes, but this is down to their obsession with profitability and having one-day inventory of products.
True, but in a way the chips to be found in the Wii/PS3/Xbox360 point to why we don't now have a G5 powerbook, unfortunately.
As pointed out earlier, Apple's had zero prior experience designing Intel-based machines, and IIRC, all of those issues were addressed on later batches of Rev. A products, so I guess that answers your question itself, no?
does apple even design their own hardware anymore? the mac pro even uses a standard btx motherboard.
if by "in a way" you mean that ibm doesn't want to spend the resources making a more power-efficient powerpc chip just for apple. ibm barely even uses the ppc970, and then only in blade servers.
definately not - they are now being built in China, which explains it all
Wait a minute, this is racist. White people are paying decent chinese workers a few cents an hour to desperately build a bunch of machines so someone with more money can indulge in them, and you are putting the Chinese down ?
What about them ? The chinese workers followed Apple instructions, which were the instructions posted on the web, and they were dead wrong.
I've been rocking the house with my 1.5 year old iBook G4 and the only issue I had were some logic board problems, but that was while it was under AppleCare and everything is fine. No problems since then. Kickass laptop. ^^
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