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But it's a Samsung. With Touchwiz. :confused:

I'm not saying the phone can't take good photos (even if I don't like Samsung's post-processing), I'm saying that based on past research with no information since to counter it, the base Android operating system (since it was designed to run on everything from a potato to a flagship) compresses images before uploading to social media.

https://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-into-instagrams-compression-quality/

As for the battery life, I can't comment because I've never owned (nor ever will) a Note. You'd think it would be stellar with 3500mah capacity, but even my Nexus 6P would fall short of a single day of usage, with a comparable battery and stock Android.

While it is getting better, Android as a whole is still a very disjointed experience. Right now, I can download a multitude of applications that fill a need of mine, yet their GUI is still using the Holo design language. That's what I'm referring to. iOS does have "old" looking apps still, but the problem is nowhere near as bad as on Android.

You are referring to an article from 3 years ago. That is quite a long time in mobile OS space. My experience with both photos on the device, ones I've uploaded to social media, and moved to my computer to further work with... is they are fine. I have about $25K of Canon gear in the bag if I want something better, and about the only time I grab the bag is for action sports or for low light stuff. Indoor video quality is about the only place I am frequently disappointed.

I am not trying to convince you of anything though... if you like iOS better then nothing wrong with that. I may go back to iOS at some point, but for now I like the Android offerings better.

And I don't have to deal with a notch :rolleyes: .
 

The_Interloper

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I've recently completed the long transition away from Apple products. My needs are probably very different to yours, but my primary focus is desktop/mobile computing with my phone circling around that. As of late, I had struggled to see any realistic future in the Mac platform and, as a result, decided it was best to change my daily devices completely.

It hasn't been altogether easy, but there is an alternative for anything. I've had iPhones since the very first model (the 3G might be the only one I skipped, come to think of it) with various Android devices used for work purposes along the way. Android is a little bit like Windows – it's come an incredibly long way in the last few years and there is such a wealth of great devices out there now at all price points that justifying an iPhone is starting to become pretty difficult.

One of the straws that broke the camel's back for me was the iPhone X – in order to get the best on offer (with that questionable notch), Apple decided you were going to have to pay over £1000 for it. I just found that unpalatable, especially when the devices I needed it to interact with on a daily basis – Mac computers – had become so dated and substandard. We are talking desktops that haven't been updated in 4 to 5 years, laptops with no keyboard travel and questionable durability. The total cost of ownership of being in the Apple ecosystem had simply become too high in my opinion, especially for what you are getting.

I foolishly decided to stay with Apple, skip the X and get an 8+, a decision I immediately regretted. That thing is just a rehashed design with a glass back. The front bezels look ancient and the 1080p LCD display, while good, doesn't justify the pricetag compared to some of the OLED stuff out there. I took it back within 14 days, played with a few different devices and settled on a Pixel 2 XL. I have absolutely no regrets – this is Android as it should be, an absolute joy to use. It's the best phone I've ever owned.

The danger for Apple is that once you start to switch, their entire ecosystem breaks down. You can't use iMessage on other devices, Notes and Reminders, iWork etc. Yes, there are web versions of some of this stuff, but not for Android. This protectionism is what could hurt them in the long run – you start to use Google Docs and Photos, Microsoft Office etc which works on anything. Then you start to question why you still need a Mac… and the slippery slope has begun.

I still need to have a Mac and iPad Pro as part of my day-to-day work but they are barely used any more. Now it's the Pixel, Surface Pro and a powerful desktop PC. For Messages/FaceTime there's SMS (which can be easily duplicated on your other devices using Pushbullet) and/or Hangouts/Skype. Notes is replaced by Simplenote or OneNote, Reminders by Microsoft To Do or Google Keep. For payments there's Android Pay/Samsung Pay. Again, so much choice.

This extends to the hardware side of things, too. When you see the choice of devices out there, it's fantastic what you can get for your money – flagship phones for 60 to 70% or less of an iPhone X. The mid-range stuff is just terrific; here in the UK you can buy a Huawei/Honor/Nokia device with a 5in+ HD display, aluminium chassis and fingerprint scanner for half the price of an iPhone SE.

One area where Apple is tough to beat is in the integration with iPhone and Apple Watch. They nailed that, IMO, and although there are lots of choices on the Android side of things never quite match up. My Airpods, on the other hand, works great with my Pixel and there's even an app that allows you to double tap for the excellent Google Assistant, making them more useful on Android than iOS!
 

Dodgeman

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The Note 8 / Surface Pro combo, along with a Gear S3 is what I have and it is "the kit" as far as I'm concerned. I have no need for "another" tablet. I've done a couple of long haul flights in the last couple of weeks and love the combo. I use the pen for OneNote on both devices.



I have zero of those problems on the Note 8. The battery life is quite good, and its very good at conserving when you need to. On a group business trip this week, I accidentally left my Note 8 in the restaurant when I left, and one of my colleagues picked it up for me. I didn't get it back until breakfast the next morning, as we were about to spend a whole day on a site seeing trip in Paris. It has about 30% left after going 24 hours since a charge, and I was able to make it through the day taking a ton of pictures and when I put it on the charger at around 5pm, it still had about 9% left. I simply turned down the display brightness a bit, and frequently used the battery tuning sidebar app to close background apps. Photo quality is great, as reported in many reviews. I don't see any issues with the UI that cause me concern. The positives far out way anything there.



Ditto.



If you are without a job, I'd go with the cheapest option... which in your list is the SE. My wife has one and loves it.



I had a 6s+, Apple Watch, and Apple Music. When I got my Note 8, I also got a Gear S3 (LTE) and quickly switched to Spotify. I like this watch/music combo better than Apples. If you continue to try to use the Apple Watch, I'd guess you will be frustrated. The UI and rotating dial on the Gear S3 are such a better way to interact with the watch, and Spotify lets you download or stream from the watch to BT earbuds.

Yeah only problem I have is that the Note is a big phone. Sure I can deal with that but I do miss the ease of use that Apple had. The watch the only thing I use it for are notifications really. Not to mention I want a pair of airpods.
I have not been to happy with the video on my Note 8, but everything else has been fine and there are a lot of customization options.
Although the AW isn't the best looking watch around it is trendy and serves it purpose well.
That Gear s3 is ageing.

Plus I kmow I can get Apple Music on this android but has anyone else used Spotify? The sound quality is HORRIBLE.
 

H3LL5P4WN

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You are referring to an article from 3 years ago. That is quite a long time in mobile OS space. My experience with both photos on the device, ones I've uploaded to social media, and moved to my computer to further work with... is they are fine. I have about $25K of Canon gear in the bag if I want something better, and about the only time I grab the bag is for action sports or for low light stuff. Indoor video quality is about the only place I am frequently disappointed.

I am not trying to convince you of anything though... if you like iOS better then nothing wrong with that. I may go back to iOS at some point, but for now I like the Android offerings better.

And I don't have to deal with a notch :rolleyes: .

As I said, I have yet to see any article to indicate that the situation has changed. Looking at the pics my gf has uploaded, they're compressed.

And The Notch is Glory. The Notch is Life. (Besides, all the Android OEMs are copying it now, despite not having the need to have it to stuff Face ID into it.)

I guess I am trying to convince you but at the same time, it's your setup, not mine. I have this... peeve I guess... where I hate seeing people make mistakes that I could have prevented them from making by simply arming them with knowledge.
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Plus I kmow I can get Apple Music on this android but has anyone else used Spotify? The sound quality is HORRIBLE.

On Spotify? I wouldn't be surprised. However my experiences with Apple Music on Android were as fine as the hardware allowed.
 

The_Interloper

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DiamonDecoden

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I've recently completed the long transition away from Apple products. My needs are probably very different to yours, but my primary focus is desktop/mobile computing with my phone circling around that. As of late, I had struggled to see any realistic future in the Mac platform and, as a result, decided it was best to change my daily devices completely.

It hasn't been altogether easy, but there is an alternative for anything. I've had iPhones since the very first model (the 3G might be the only one I skipped, come to think of it) with various Android devices used for work purposes along the way. Android is a little bit like Windows – it's come an incredibly long way in the last few years and there is such a wealth of great devices out there now at all price points that justifying an iPhone is starting to become pretty difficult.

One of the straws that broke the camel's back for me was the iPhone X – in order to get the best on offer (with that questionable notch), Apple decided you were going to have to pay over £1000 for it. I just found that unpalatable, especially when the devices I needed it to interact with on a daily basis – Mac computers – had become so dated and substandard. We are talking desktops that haven't been updated in 4 to 5 years, laptops with no keyboard travel and questionable durability. The total cost of ownership of being in the Apple ecosystem had simply become too high in my opinion, especially for what you are getting.

I foolishly decided to stay with Apple, skip the X and get an 8+, a decision I immediately regretted. That thing is just a rehashed design with a glass back. The front bezels look ancient and the 1080p LCD display, while good, doesn't justify the pricetag compared to some of the OLED stuff out there. I took it back within 14 days, played with a few different devices and settled on a Pixel 2 XL. I have absolutely no regrets – this is Android as it should be, an absolute joy to use. It's the best phone I've ever owned.

The danger for Apple is that once you start to switch, their entire ecosystem breaks down. You can't use iMessage on other devices, Notes and Reminders, iWork etc. Yes, there are web versions of some of this stuff, but not for Android. This protectionism is what could hurt them in the long run – you start to use Google Docs and Photos, Microsoft Office etc which works on anything. Then you start to question why you still need a Mac… and the slippery slope has begun.

I still need to have a Mac and iPad Pro as part of my day-to-day work but they are barely used any more. Now it's the Pixel, Surface Pro and a powerful desktop PC. For Messages/FaceTime there's SMS (which can be easily duplicated on your other devices using Pushbullet) and/or Hangouts/Skype. Notes is replaced by Simplenote or OneNote, Reminders by Microsoft To Do or Google Keep. For payments there's Android Pay/Samsung Pay. Again, so much choice.

This extends to the hardware side of things, too. When you see the choice of devices out there, it's fantastic what you can get for your money – flagship phones for 60 to 70% or less of an iPhone X. The mid-range stuff is just terrific; here in the UK you can buy a Huawei/Honor/Nokia device with a 5in+ HD display, aluminium chassis and fingerprint scanner for half the price of an iPhone SE.

One area where Apple is tough to beat is in the integration with iPhone and Apple Watch. They nailed that, IMO, and although there are lots of choices on the Android side of things never quite match up. My Airpods, on the other hand, works great with my Pixel and there's even an app that allows you to double tap for the excellent Google Assistant, making them more useful on Android than iOS!
So much this! The whole ecosystem will break IF you stop using the *iPhone*. I still wish to use my apple watch but I cannot without an iPhone. That makes me sad as I liked my watch.(more apps available) I still have my MacBook which is not depended on the iPhone.(yay) I still like it a lot and I don't mind mac OS as much as I mind iOS. I know Apple will keep this way for many different reasons.
 

oldhifi

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I just purchased the S9 and luv it, I have been a Iphone user for years, but just came back to Android. So Far it works well for me..what really pissed me off about the Iphone is when they got rid of the headphone jack. I have two sets of headphones and I don't want to use a adapter to use them..
 
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Dodgeman

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I just purchased the S9 and luv it, I have been a Iphone user for years, but just came back to Android. So Far it works well for me..what really pissed me off about the Iphone is when they got rid of the headphone jack. I have two sets of headphones and I don't want to use a adapter to use them..

Were there other reasons that made you switch?
 

xxray

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So, I got the Galaxy S9+ about a week and a half ago, and I think I’m done with iPhones, iOS, and even Apple in general for a while. As someone else said, once you break the ecosystem, it starts collapsing. A year ago, my breaking started with the Dell XPS 15 instead of paying double that price for a MacBook Pro. Now, after using this phone for nearly two weeks, and going back and trying out my old 7+, I can’t believe how much more I enjoy the S9+. The iPhone feels years behind, and in its design, it is. I’m really enjoying the features and freedom of Android so much. Not only that, but Samsung’s software and added features are actually good now. They’re not the clunky and ugly things they were 5 years ago. My S9+ came with very little bloat and I find myself using Samsung’s added features quite a bit. I’m really happy with the switch and can’t see much reason to go back to iPhones at all.
 

invisibleshoes

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I was obsessed with everything Apple related, namely iPhones since the 3G model. Made the switch to the Samsung S8 on a whim (last summer) because it was a steal on a BOGO offer. Tried out out the iPhone X recently and just couldn't do it. Can't do crap on iOS. Mediocre "file management", no jack, no sd card, messy notification center, etc.,. FaceID also bugged the heck of out of me. Went right back to my galaxy asap and about to pick up the S9+.
 

dk001

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So, I got the Galaxy S9+ about a week and a half ago, and I think I’m done with iPhones, iOS, and even Apple in general for a while. As someone else said, once you break the ecosystem, it starts collapsing. A year ago, my breaking started with the Dell XPS 15 instead of paying double that price for a MacBook Pro. Now, after using this phone for nearly two weeks, and going back and trying out my old 7+, I can’t believe how much more I enjoy the S9+. The iPhone feels years behind, and in its design, it is. I’m really enjoying the features and freedom of Android so much. Not only that, but Samsung’s software and added features are actually good now. They’re not the clunky and ugly things they were 5 years ago. My S9+ came with very little bloat and I find myself using Samsung’s added features quite a bit. I’m really happy with the switch and can’t see much reason to go back to iPhones at all.

After two months, go back and try your 7+. I did that recently from my Razer to my 7+. I was surprised at how good my Razer is in comparison.
 

Dodgeman

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For some reason, and maybe it is just currently I am thinking of getting my Note 8 to move back to apple (maybe the 8 plus)...
Not sure yet as the Note is a great solid device but I miss some Apple features.
 

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The Note 8 / Surface Pro combo, along with a Gear S3 is what I have and it is "the kit" as far as I'm concerned. I have no need for "another" tablet. I've done a couple of long haul flights in the last couple of weeks and love the combo. I use the pen for OneNote on both devices.



I have zero of those problems on the Note 8. The battery life is quite good, and its very good at conserving when you need to. On a group business trip this week, I accidentally left my Note 8 in the restaurant when I left, and one of my colleagues picked it up for me. I didn't get it back until breakfast the next morning, as we were about to spend a whole day on a site seeing trip in Paris. It has about 30% left after going 24 hours since a charge, and I was able to make it through the day taking a ton of pictures and when I put it on the charger at around 5pm, it still had about 9% left. I simply turned down the display brightness a bit, and frequently used the battery tuning sidebar app to close background apps. Photo quality is great, as reported in many reviews. I don't see any issues with the UI that cause me concern. The positives far out way anything there.



Ditto.



If you are without a job, I'd go with the cheapest option... which in your list is the SE. My wife has one and loves it.



I had a 6s+, Apple Watch, and Apple Music. When I got my Note 8, I also got a Gear S3 (LTE) and quickly switched to Spotify. I like this watch/music combo better than Apples. If you continue to try to use the Apple Watch, I'd guess you will be frustrated. The UI and rotating dial on the Gear S3 are such a better way to interact with the watch, and Spotify lets you download or stream from the watch to BT earbuds.

Does Amazon Music let you stream on the watch too? I have the watch but don't have any BT headphones as I sold my Apple Airpods ones and can't decide what to replace them with.
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Yeah only problem I have is that the Note is a big phone. Sure I can deal with that but I do miss the ease of use that Apple had. The watch the only thing I use it for are notifications really. Not to mention I want a pair of airpods.
I have not been to happy with the video on my Note 8, but everything else has been fine and there are a lot of customization options.
Although the AW isn't the best looking watch around it is trendy and serves it purpose well.
That Gear s3 is ageing.

Plus I kmow I can get Apple Music on this android but has anyone else used Spotify? The sound quality is HORRIBLE.

Aging? It is far from aging. Still the best looking Smart Watch out there and the has the most features/ability.
 

Dodgeman

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Does Amazon Music let you stream on the watch too? I have the watch but don't have any BT headphones as I sold my Apple Airpods ones and can't decide what to replace them with.
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Aging? It is far from aging. Still the best looking Smart Watch out there and the has the most features/ability.

A new version of the watch will be out possibly this year or next.
 

lah

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Has anyone noticed any difference in the quality of apps in android compared to iOS? I know you can pretty much find the same apps on both platforms, but was wondering how they compare. Last time I attempted a switch a few years ago, I came running back to iOS due to the poor quality of android apps.
 

Dodgeman

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Has anyone noticed any difference in the quality of apps in android compared to iOS? I know you can pretty much find the same apps on both platforms, but was wondering how they compare. Last time I attempted a switch a few years ago, I came running back to iOS due to the poor quality of android apps.

I find more free apps on android. ☺
 

4RunnerHeaven

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A new version of the watch will be out possibly this year or next.

That doesn't make it dated. Now on the other hand, the Apple watch is dated. The design hasn't changed since it's release.
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Has anyone noticed any difference in the quality of apps in android compared to iOS? I know you can pretty much find the same apps on both platforms, but was wondering how they compare. Last time I attempted a switch a few years ago, I came running back to iOS due to the poor quality of android apps.

After switching back to Android again, honestly the APPs are pretty equal these days to me. I find that I can adjust the settings in the apps better on Android than the iPhone.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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After switching back to Android again, honestly the APPs are pretty equal these days to me. I find that I can adjust the settings in the apps better on Android than the iPhone.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for when people say cross-platform apps on iOS are more quality and polished than Android.
 
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SkyLinx

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In June 2016 I had the "brilliant" idea to sell almost all the Apple devices I had (iMac, iPhone and iPad - I kept only two oldish MBPs) because I didn't want to be stuck in the Apple ecosystem anymore and because I was kinda tired of paying more, often for less.... So I switched to a Linux PC and to an Android phone (Google Nexus 6P). I recently realised though that I had missed Apple stuff so much, especially macOS... and that I had anyway changed from the Apple ecosystem to the Google one, so I was still with almost all of my eggs in the same bucket. So I temporarily converted my PC into a Hackintosh just to use again macOS but am planning to buy soon a new Mac and a new iPhone - not sure which ones. So yeah, I am basically regretting of switching away from Apple...

As for Android, IMO iOS and Android aren't so different in the normal usage, especially because most apps look and behave the same on either OS. So I like both although iOS somehow feels "more polished". One thing I don't like of Android is that at least on my phone with the latest update I still have to use a third party app to get the counter-badges on the app icons - e.g. the number of unread emails in for the mail app, the number of unread messages on Facebook etc.
 

tbayrgs

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Has anyone noticed any difference in the quality of apps in android compared to iOS? I know you can pretty much find the same apps on both platforms, but was wondering how they compare. Last time I attempted a switch a few years ago, I came running back to iOS due to the poor quality of android apps.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for when people say cross-platform apps on iOS are more quality and polished than Android.

I don’t see big differences in quality of apps that exist on both platforms but rather many of my favorite apps on iOS don’t exist on Android. A few examples—Spark email, Carrot weather, AnyList, Fantastical. I’ve tried to find counterparts on Android that match these and I haven’t had luck I also find Outlook to be better on iOS as well as 1Password. Lastly, the fact that I can’t edit which of my calendars I put an appointment in on Google Calendar, yet I can do it iOS’ calendar app blows my mind. This is a big deal for me since my family uses a half dozen different calendars.

Of course, there are certainly apps that exist on Android only but from my personal experience, these tend to more often than not focus on functionality not available on iOS (ie. Tasker, Launchers, widgets), which there is admittedly a quite a bit. :p
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Lastly, the fact that I can’t edit which of my calendars I put an appointment in on Google Calendar, yet I can do it iOS’ calendar app blows my mind.

I've been able to select which of my accounts to sync an appointment to for the longest.
 

tbayrgs

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I've been able to select which of my accounts to sync an appointment to for the longest.

Sorry, I didn’t clarify. It’s not which account, it’s being able to edit which specific calendar an appointment is on.

I use my gmail account to manage me and my family’s calendars. We have 5 or 6 different calendars on my Google account (home, work, school, etc) that we use to manage our schedules rather than just dump everything in one. The issue is that once a new event is added to a specific calendar, on Google’s own calendar app and most others in Android, that calendar field cannot be edited and the only recourse is to delete the event entirely and recreate it. Yet, in the iOS calendar app or many other apps on iOS, I can quite easily move that event to another of my calendars with a quick edit. That is bewildering to me. Google’s own tool to manage their accounts cannot do it, but iOS can. :confused:
 
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Sorry, I didn’t clarify. It’s not which account, it’s being able to edit which specific calendar an appointment is on.

I use my gmail account to manage my and my family’s calendars. We have 5 or 6 different calendars on my Google account (home, work, school, etc) that we use to manage our schedules rather than just dump everything in one. The issue is that once a new event is added to a specific calendar, on Google’s own calendar app and most others in Android, that calendar field cannot be edited and the only recourse is to delete the event entirely and recreate it. Yet, in the iOS calendar app or many other apps on iOS, I can quite easily move that event to another of my calendars with a quick edit. That is bewildering to me. Google’s own tool to manage their accounts cannot do it, but iOS can. :confused:

You can use the "copy to.." to copy the event to another calendar then delete the current one. Similar isn't it?
 

Dodgeman

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That doesn't make it dated. Now on the other hand, the Apple watch is dated. The design hasn't changed since it's release.
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That is a valid point. Guess I am just not use to change. Had an otterbox on my iPhone prior and was always snapping it out of the clip to text/photos but clipped it inside my pocket. When I got my Note 8 the box was way too big for the clip so I did a smaller case and just keep it in my pocket. Seems the ports have picked up a lot of lint though. Either way the Samsung Watch looks great and is rugged, but after having a Gear sport and Note 8 I actually can see myself coming back to Apple. Sounds strange but I had an iPhone for so long an I admire the ease of use. Hate I gave up black stainless Watch, and the Apple TV I never used. I really do not use many of apples features just I like their OS.

After switching back to Android again, honestly the APPs are pretty equal these days to me. I find that I can adjust the settings in the apps better on Android than the iPhone.
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