Thoughts on Android Lollipop?

[spinedoc77]

You look silly when you make statements such as this "There is so much that is buggy and not fully functional in android" as they are not true.

Fandroid? Are you ten?

You are saying Android has no bugs? Really? Is there no reason for new updates to the OS other than just cosmetic enhancements? I have to assume naivety here as I can't fathom that level of stupidness existing. I desire Google to put more energy into squashing bugs and increasing functionality, and less into useless (MY opinion) cosmetic enhancements. That's my opinion that I'm entitled to. Go back to your fandroid empire where bugs don't exist and improved functionality is useless. Silly indeed.

 

[fredaroony]

You are saying Android has no bugs? Really? Is there no reason for new updates to the OS other than just cosmetic enhancements? I have to assume naivety here as I can't fathom that level of stupidness existing. I desire Google to put more energy into squashing bugs and increasing functionality, and less into useless (MY opinion) cosmetic enhancements. That's my opinion that I'm entitled to. Go back to your fandroid empire where bugs don't exist and improved functionality is useless. Silly indeed.

Never said it didn't have any bugs, like any OS it does have some. However, your statements are so over the top you lose credibility.

Do you act like this in real life?

 

[spinedoc77]

Never said it didn't have any bugs, like any OS it does have some. However, your statements are so over the top you lose credibility.

Do you act like this in real life?

They are far from over the top. I fail to see how a desire for bug squashing and increased functionality over cosmetic enhancements are over the top. Stop exaggerating and grandstanding it's juvenile.

Yes I act exactly like this in real life, if you want to spout stupidity I'll call you out on it. Otherwise if you don't like my opinion don't comment on it.

 

[fredaroony]

They are far from over the top. I fail to see how a desire for bug squashing and increased functionality over cosmetic enhancements are over the top. Stop exaggerating and grandstanding it's juvenile.

Yes I act exactly like this in real life, if you want to spout stupidity I'll call you out on it. Otherwise if you don't like my opinion don't comment on it.

To quote you again, "There is so much that is buggy and not fully functional in android".

Are you sure you aren't talking about yourself and not me? You have very clearly described your posting manner here.

 

[spinedoc77]

To quote you again, "There is so much that is buggy and not fully functional in android".

Are you sure you aren't talking about yourself and not me? You have very clearly described your posting manner here.

You're going to debate the things that in my opinion are buggy and not fully functional? It's an opinion man, get a hold of yourself and realize you are on a forum full of opinions. Once again if you don't like my opinion don't comment on it, and especially don't comment in such a juvenile, inflammatory manner as you initially addressed me calling my opinion "garbage", "nonsense" and automatically labeling me as being "engulfed in Apple". Don't forget that your "posting manner" was the one which started this discussion.

 

[fredaroony]

You're going to debate the things that in my opinion are buggy and not fully functional? It's an opinion man, get a hold of yourself and realize you are on a forum full of opinions. Once again if you don't like my opinion don't comment on it, and especially don't comment in such a juvenile, inflammatory manner as you initially addressed me calling my opinion "garbage", "nonsense" and automatically labeling me as being "engulfed in Apple". Don't forget that your "posting manner" was the one which started this discussion.

If you had an opinion that was believable you might come off as credible but you do not.

 

[spinedoc77]

If you had an opinion that was believable you might come off as credible but you do not.

I'm not trying to come off as credible at all, simply stating my opinion in an opinion driven forum. It's not like you have shown in any way, shape or form my opinion not being credible in any event. If you want to waste your time bickering over my personal opinion then I suppose I feel flattered, that's all the credibility I needed.

 

[Oletros]

I'm not trying to come off as credible at all, simply stating my opinion in an opinion driven forum. It's not like you have shown in any way, shape or form my opinion not being credible in any event. If you want to waste your time bickering over my personal opinion then I suppose I feel flattered, that's all the credibility I needed.

Still waiting something to support that Android is full of non functional things.

Calling others juvenile and making such claims is very ironic

 

[spinedoc77]

Still waiting something to support that Android is full of non functional things.

Calling others juvenile and making such claims is very ironic

Sure, it's a lot of little things. A couple of examples: Hangouts you cannot send multiple pictures in a MMS, you have to send them one at a time. Another example: Google now is not a great personal assistant, if I "call Mario" half the time it does an internet search for Super Mario bros. Another example: Bluetooth function, google now chime is extremely loud, louder than system volume. Another example: Google can polish Google Voice, or fully integrate it into Hangouts, either way make a decision and finish the product. Another example: If Google now isn't meant as a personal assistant, Google should invent their own personal assistant to compete with Cortana and Siri. Another example: How about working on a dark theme? Another example: How about working on Android backups? What about having multi screen mode? One handed mode? Etc. These are all more valuable to me than cosmetic changes that IMO were not needed and a waste of resources.

I can list out many more, but my point was that these are bugs and functionalities that bother in my day to day use. Whether they are show stopping is up to the user though, for some they may not be a big deal at all. Additionally I find the cosmetic changes in Lollipop not only useless, but actually detrimental to using my phone in the dark, once again my personal opinion. Which all ties into my original statement that in my opinion Google should use their energy not for cosmetic changes, but to fix bugs and increase functionality.

As for juvenile, it's not ironic in the least. When someone comes in and rudely proclaims my opinion is "garbage", "nonsense" and that as an Android user myself I'm "engulfed in Apple" I can't find a word other than juvenile to describe that. Sure I'm up for a nice discussion about differing viewpoints, but not when someone comes in with that fandroid attitude. You should not take offense at any criticism of Google and immediately call criticizers Apple fan boys because of that criticism. THAT is irony.

 

[Oletros]

Sure, it's a lot of little things. A couple of examples: Hangouts you cannot send multiple pictures in a MMS, you have to send them one at a time. Another example: Google now is not a great personal assistant, if I "call Mario" half the time it does an internet search for Super Mario bros. Another example: Bluetooth function, google now chime is extremely loud, louder than system volume. Another example: Google can polish Google Voice, or fully integrate it into Hangouts, either way make a decision and finish the product. Another example: If Google now isn't meant as a personal assistant, Google should invent their own personal assistant to compete with Cortana and Siri. Another example: How about working on a dark theme? Another example: How about working on Android backups? What about having multi screen mode? One handed mode? Etc. These are all more valuable to me than cosmetic changes that IMO were not needed and a waste of resources.

I can list out many more, but my point was that these are bugs and functionalities that bother in my day to day use. Whether they are show stopping is up to the user though, for some they may not be a big deal at all. Additionally I find the cosmetic changes in Lollipop not only useless, but actually detrimental to using my phone in the dark, once again my personal opinion. Which all ties into my original statement that in my opinion Google should use their energy not for cosmetic changes, but to fix bugs and increase functionality.

As for juvenile, it's not ironic in the least. When someone comes in and rudely proclaims my opinion is "garbage", "nonsense" and that as an Android user myself I'm "engulfed in Apple" I can't find a word other than juvenile to describe that. Sure I'm up for a nice discussion about differing viewpoints, but not when someone comes in with that fandroid attitude. You should not take offense at any criticism of Google and immediately call criticizers Apple fan boys because of that criticism. THAT is irony.

And you say that those things are " the full of thing that make Android not functional" ?

You must be ****ing kidding

 

[spinedoc77]

And you say that those things are " the full of thing that make Android not functional" ?

You must be ****ing kidding

That's not what I said. My exact words were "buggy and not fully functional" and that's exactly what I described, I even put examples up. Not fully functional is NOT the same as not functional. I also didn't say the entirety of the Android OS was not functional, but only that SOME features of Android were not fully functional, a crucial distinction and what I assume you guys are misinterpreting and completely blowing out of proportion. Once again my intention was not to point out show stopping flaws, rather it was to opine that their energy was better spent on fixing that functionality versus cosmetic changes.

In any event its my personal opinion. I still love android and choose to use it every day. God forbid someone criticizes something around here. I'm an Android fan just like you guys, but I'm not afraid to point out flaws.

 

[tbayrgs]

That's not what I said. My exact words were "buggy and not fully functional" and that's exactly what I described, I even put examples up. Not fully functional is NOT the same as not functional. I also didn't say the entirety of the Android OS was not functional, but only that SOME features of Android were not fully functional, a crucial distinction and what I assume you guys are misinterpreting and completely blowing out of proportion. Once again my intention was not to point out show stopping flaws, rather it was to opine that their energy was better spent on fixing that functionality versus cosmetic changes.

In any event its my personal opinion. I still love android and choose to use it every day. God forbid someone criticizes something around here. I'm an Android fan just like you guys, but I'm not afraid to point out flaws.

Wow spinedoc77, how quickly the Android proponents turn on one of their own. Looks like the irrational support for one's OS of choice isn't limited to the iOS fanatics.

Sounds like I may enjoy Lollipop a bit more at this point than you but I don't disagree with most of your assessment and think you're pretty spot on. Lollipop seems to be Android's equivalent to iOS 7--more focus on visual elements, though this isn't a bad thing, IMO. There certainly are some areas I agree that Google should focus on improving from a functionality standpoint. Overall though, I like the general direction Lollipop is moving.

 

[animalx]

They are far from over the top. I fail to see how a desire for bug squashing and increased functionality over cosmetic enhancements are over the top. Stop exaggerating and grandstanding it's juvenile.

Yes I act exactly like this in real life, if you want to spout stupidity I'll call you out on it. Otherwise if you don't like my opinion don't comment on it.

What bugs are you wanting Google to fix? I'm curious to know what these bugs that you are seeing, are. Also, what increased functionality would you like to see?

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Google now is not a great personal assistant

It isn't a personal assistant.

If Google now isn't meant as a personal assistant, Google should invent their own personal assistant to compete with Cortana and Siri.

Why?

What about having multi screen mode? One handed mode? Etc. These are all more valuable to me than cosmetic changes that IMO were not needed and a waste of resources.

They are working on multi-window now. As for the one-handed mode, I suppose they could work on that, but I don't think that's something that should be a priority. That's small potatoes in my opinion, as I chose not to use it on phones that actually had that feature.

 

[Oletros]

That's not what I said. My exact words were "buggy and not fully functional" and that's exactly what I described, I even put examples up. Not fully functional is NOT the same as not functional. I also didn't say the entirety of the Android OS was not functional, but only that SOME features of Android were not fully functional, a crucial distinction and what I assume you guys are misinterpreting and completely blowing out of proportion.

When you say "there is so much ..." it doesn't means"some" it means majority
and more than half op what you have said as examples are not partially functional, it is only things you like to work differently so no, there is nothing out of proportion.

 

[spinedoc77]

What bugs are you wanting Google to fix? I'm curious to know what these bugs that you are seeing, are. Also, what increased functionality would you like to see?

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It isn't a personal assistant.


Why?


They are working on multi-window now. As for the one-handed mode, I suppose they could work on that, but I don't think that's something that should be a priority. That's small potatoes in my opinion, as I chose not to use it on phones that actually had that feature.

"in my opinion" is the key phrase in your response. My opinion differs and I feel that a personal assistant is sorely needed on Android, similar to Siri and Cortana. I'm not trying to speak for the majority of Android users, simply myself. Why is it so difficult to accept that this is simply my personal opinion based on my preferences how I use my devices?

 

[spinedoc77]

When you say "there is so much ..." it doesn't means"some" it means majority
and more than half op what you have said as examples are not partially functional, it is only things you like to work differently so no, there is nothing out of proportion.

That's how YOU interpret it, but I don't see a dictionary entry for "so much" meaning "majority", that's your interpretation.

Again, my examples are of things that have limited functionality for my own personal uses. Whether they apply to you or other Android users I don't know.

I honestly don't get this, I really really don't. I stated my opinion and I have people who are just stating their opinion, but for some reason think it should overrule mine.

 

[diamond.g]

Sure, it's a lot of little things. A couple of examples: Hangouts you cannot send multiple pictures in a MMS, you have to send them one at a time. Another example: Google now is not a great personal assistant, if I "call Mario" half the time it does an internet search for Super Mario bros. Another example: Bluetooth function, google now chime is extremely loud, louder than system volume. Another example: Google can polish Google Voice, or fully integrate it into Hangouts, either way make a decision and finish the product. Another example: If Google now isn't meant as a personal assistant, Google should invent their own personal assistant to compete with Cortana and Siri. Another example: How about working on a dark theme? Another example: How about working on Android backups? What about having multi screen mode? One handed mode? Etc. These are all more valuable to me than cosmetic changes that IMO were not needed and a waste of resources.

I can list out many more, but my point was that these are bugs and functionalities that bother in my day to day use. Whether they are show stopping is up to the user though, for some they may not be a big deal at all. Additionally I find the cosmetic changes in Lollipop not only useless, but actually detrimental to using my phone in the dark, once again my personal opinion. Which all ties into my original statement that in my opinion Google should use their energy not for cosmetic changes, but to fix bugs and increase functionality.

As for juvenile, it's not ironic in the least. When someone comes in and rudely proclaims my opinion is "garbage", "nonsense" and that as an Android user myself I'm "engulfed in Apple" I can't find a word other than juvenile to describe that. Sure I'm up for a nice discussion about differing viewpoints, but not when someone comes in with that fandroid attitude. You should not take offense at any criticism of Google and immediately call criticizers Apple fan boys because of that criticism. THAT is irony.

I would be glad for Google to add those things into ASOP. Sadly most folks won't complain because they are using a skinned device and most likely have a skin that fixes those issues (aka TouchWiz). Motorola is the only device maker at this point that is really close to ASOP/GAPPS, but other than that no one really runs ASOP (Nexus devices technically run ASOP+GAPPS).

 

[Tig Bitties]

What happened to the quick reply text option ? I think that was introduced on 4.1 Jelly Bean ? Was great, if you had missed a text, you could use the quick reply feature and type a response without actually going into the text app itself.

I don't see that at all on any of the CM12 builds I have been running. Is that feature gone ?

 

[flameproof]

Image quality on Nexus 5 is totally bad now. Really fuzzy. With 4.4.4 it was way better.

 

[Oletros]

Image quality on Nexus 5 is totally bad now. Really fuzzy. With 4.4.4 it was way better.

What?

 

[MRU]

Please can anyone tell me has google FINALLY got around to allowing users to change lockscreen and homescreen wallpapers independently of each other in Lollipop ? Its ridiculous that you can't so far on stock.

Likewise I assume app drawer still lacks any user customisation such as moving apps into your own 'sort order' and folder support) ???

 

[flameproof]

What?

Yes.

 

[Oletros]

Yes.

Yes what? Where there is downgraded quality?

 

[diamond.g]

Please can anyone tell me has google FINALLY got around to allowing users to change lockscreen and homescreen wallpapers independently of each other in Lollipop ? Its ridiculous that you can't so far on stock.

Likewise I assume app drawer still lacks any user customisation such as moving apps into your own 'sort order' and folder support) ???

Nope same wallpaper for lock and home screen still.

I see what you are saying for the app drawer, but I think Google wants your home screen to be the place where you put apps however you want them. As soon as you long press an app in the drawer Android assumes you want to put that app on your home screen.

 

[MRU]

Nope same wallpaper for lock and home screen still.

I see what you are saying for the app drawer, but I think Google wants your home screen to be the place where you put apps however you want them. As soon as you long press an app in the drawer Android assumes you want to put that app on your home screen.

I know, but it's our device - we should be able to at least organise apps how the user wants. I prefer to keep home screens to a minimum and have my app drawer organised - especially when it can be littered with system apps that you just don't want the app icon for inside eg.. google search app icon - when I can access search from a myriad other places directly - its needless - so I'd like to clean that up and stick it in a folder along with other apps.

It just irks me that a feature of almost every other android skin - and every other mobile OS is still unavailable on stock android.

And the wallpaper situation is ridiculous in 2014.