Thoughts on OS X Mountain Lion??

[Skika]

Trivial argument is trivial.

Woah buddy, you sure got me.

 

[bushido]

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Spotlight isnt working, anyone else? edit: suddenly works now, odd

oh and im probably still the only one who likes Mission Control ^^ probably because i never open more then one window of an app anyway

 

[Jagardn]

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Spotlight isnt working, anyone else? edit: suddenly works now, odd

oh and im probably still the only one who likes Mission Control ^^ probably because i never open more then one window of an app anyway

I am the other person that likes MC. I'm hoping it's destined for the iPad.

 

[cmChimera]

I would rather see iOS apps being renamed to iCal and Address book than reverse.

Contacts and Calendar seem to generic.

Address Book is not generic? Do people just enjoy finding some reason to complain?

 

[OLDCODGER]

Oh don't be so dramatic. So you'll switch to windows because of a few features u don't like? What do u hate so much? U don't think u can come to like it or at least tolerate it? What if u hate windows even more? Never buy a computer again? Just move forward and move on

First, Windows is out of the question - period!

Second, I am hoping, as I said, to hack SL to non-Macs as a last resort to stick with OS X, replete with Rosetta and Sheepshaver.

Third, if all else fails, I shall move completely to Linux (Ubuntu). I already have a Dell laptop running Ubuntu, and find it generally suitable for most tasks - including Sheepshaver.

Finally, it is not the OS per se, but the Apple ID and download regimen that stopped me even considering Lion.

 

[torana355]

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oh and im probably still the only one who likes Mission Control ^^ probably because i never open more then one window of an app anyway

Same, i hated expose but love MC, Go figure. That said i like to work neatly so i don't have a need for multiple windows in one app. Im also one of the few people that found Lion faster then Snow Leopard and just as stable too. The only thing im worried about is Apple moving in the "lock everything down to the app store" direction.... If Apple lock down OSX too much they will lose their long time professional customers.

 

[DeckMan]

That is not accurate. CMD-Delete only works when you are given the opportunity to set the name of the file, i.e. the first time you save.

It does not work for a document that has already been saved once. i.e. once you save a document, Versions takes over and there is no option to easily "Don't Save" changes.

The easiest way I have found is the Duplicate route - create a duplicate, close the original one, and don't save the duplicate. This has one advantage over the old system, in that you can't overwrite the original document by mistake (and if you do, e.g. by forgetting to create a duplicate, you can go back using Versions). Of course it's not as easy as before Autosave, but on the other hand, you don't have to manually save your stuff anymore, which is a big pro in my opinion.

 

[colourfastt]

The easiest way I have found is the Duplicate route - create a duplicate, close the original one, and don't save the duplicate. This has one advantage over the old system, in that you can't overwrite the original document by mistake (and if you do, e.g. by forgetting to create a duplicate, you can go back using Versions). Of course it's not as easy as before Autosave, but on the other hand, you don't have to manually save your stuff anymore, which is a big pro in my opinion.

The "duplicate" method is unnecessarily complex; as for manually saving items, anyone who has been using computers for more than 18 months is more than capable of saving on his own.

 

[dreamtenstudios]

I personally wasn't that excited about the new features. I don't really want my Mac to act like an iPad, though I see why they are moving in this direction. Messages and new iCloud functionality is cool, but I wish more attention would be devoted to making the OS more lean and fast performing, similar to what they did when SL was released.

I do love how quickly they are moving with their OS iterations though. They don't leave us in the dark for years wondering if anyone's actually doing anything at the company (i.e. microsoft w/windows vista).

 

[DeckMan]

The "duplicate" method is unnecessarily complex; as for manually saving items, anyone who has been using computers for more than 18 months is more than capable of saving on his own.

You never forgot to save things? Congratulations! I know a bunch of people who have been using computer for a couple of years, and still make that stupid beginner's mistake.[/irony]

Frankly, you can think about John Gruber what you want, but I reckon he's pretty capable of using his computer, and still..

While I'm all for an option to disable Autosave, I believe it's better than no autosave. Feel free to disagree.

 

[secretanchitman]

IMO, Expose from Snow Leopard (more so Leopard) was fantastic and near perfect for multitasking, but I don't think Apple will bring it back exactly as we remember it. I think they may tweak some aspects of Mission Control though, as it needs some serious work.

I like how MC displays the numerous desktops/spaces along the top of the screen, but it really should display each and every open window for that desktop too. Layering the same application windows over one another creates a very cluttered experience. We open MC to find a particular window right? What good does it do when MC is just as disorganised as our regular desktop?

OS 10.8 really needs to address this problem.

Also, Mountain Lion needs to take some cues from Snow Leopard from a performance perspective. SL was a huge leap from Leopard in terms of performance, ML needs to do the same to Lion.

i totally agree with you. i know they wont cut out most of the stuff, and honestly, i dont mind if they dont. all i want is just for apple to give us an option to ungroup windows and let us see everything. literally is the only reason i havent gone to lion (or mountain lion) yet. the minor quirks like the lack of color, address book/ical colors, and animations are fluff because that is all fixable, but mission control is not.

they have plenty of time to give us that option back in time for release - who knows if they will, but here's to hoping that they work on it!

 

[The Phazer]

While some of the new features are hopeless or badly designed, that doesn't really bother me - I can just not use them. And at least they have not broken any more of the core elements of the OS, even though the discrimination against notifications from non-app store apps is extremely unfortunate.

But the problem is that they haven't undone any of the disasters from Lion. Still can't disable Versions (Duplicate remains rubbish, security issues still abound). Still can't customise gestures. Still can't recolour icons. Still can't ungroup windows in Mission Control.

Phazer

 

[colourfastt]

You never forgot to save things? Congratulations! I know a bunch of people who have been using computer for a couple of years, and still make that stupid beginner's mistake.

Frankly, you can think about John Gruber what you want, but I reckon he's pretty capable of using his computer, and still..

While I'm all for an option to disable Autosave, I believe it's better than no autosave. Feel free to disagree.

Since I've been using computers for over 30 years (starting with punch cards on mainframe systems) I never had a problem with forgetting to save a file.

 

[holden57]

Third, if all else fails, I shall move completely to Linux (Ubuntu). I already have a Dell laptop running Ubuntu, and find it generally suitable for most tasks - including Sheepshaver.

These are my thoughts as well. The great thing about Linux is that you have the freedom to use your computer as you wish, and in the way that is most productive for you. I suppose I will use Snow Leopard as long as I can however.

 

[dashiel]

For me, Lion represented the end of OS updates. Snow Leopard is as far as I intend to go, so any HW upgrades will be other than Mac, once I can no longer hack SL to a Mac.

I have been an Apple exclusive user since 1983, but, sadly, all good things come to an end.

What is it about Lion you find so abhorrent? I have to admit I have a difficult time fathoming how someone who could endure the nightmare that was System 7.1-.7.X and 10.0-10.2 is finding Lion so unacceptable.

 

[Riemann Zeta]

I'm using Lion right now and apart from auto-save--which still sucks (and was just a dumb idea, as it has destroyed more files than it has saved...what ever happened to being able to NOT save changes)--it is usable because a lot of the annoying things can be turned off, leaving me with (almost) exactly what I wanted: the most up-to-date version of the sophisticated yet smooth Mac OS. If all the crap is mandatory on 10.8, and so is the Mac App Store (apparently there will be no more software updates, no more dmgs), then it seems that the once great flexibility provided by Mac OS will be gone completely. Mac OS, err, excuse me, Apple OS X, will be like Windows 8--a consumer-based OS that is focused on things like facebook and is designed for phones and tablets.

FreeBSD anyone? It's Mac OS's older, nerdier and more anti-social brother. I guess I could get used to KDE...

 

[haravikk]

I'm interested whether there are any improvements to Mission Control, since that seemed to be a pretty sought-after feature. All they really need to do is allow you to expand window groups, e.g - click on group windows to switch to application windows view.

The other thing I'm interested in seeing is Lion's fullscreen mode actually support multiple screens. Especially with AirPlay being one of the hyped features.

 

[OLDCODGER]

What is it about Lion you find so abhorrent? I have to admit I have a difficult time fathoming how someone who could endure the nightmare that was System 7.1-.7.X and 10.0-10.2 is finding Lion so unacceptable.

The closed system is the killer. Apple ID - with all of its info requirements. Download and install - without DMG for b/up. The need for high speed net at all times, etc. I don't want Apple running my system for me, determining what I can and can't do with my own m/c. In all of my Mac years, Apple has never known whom I am, since I have never registered anything and insurance has been handled outside the Apple system.

As for the OS itself, I've not bothered to look closely at it, but Versions, as is, is also a killer. My research work includes accessing several thousand documents via several copies of a text search app, working on some of them, and saving back to a designated folder. With Versions active, it would send my search apps (and me) crazy.

 

[matankai]

Can someone please answer this?

Do the existing version of Pages work with the new Docs in the Cloud, or will we be seeing a summer update for iWork as well?

Hi guys, I was wondering if someone who knows the answer to this can please clarify, because I was wondering the same thing.
Thank you!

 

[Ice Dragon]

The death of HDMI out. It's minor and I can deal with it though I am not too keen on everything being wireless. Is Thunderbolt the future?

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

The death of HDMI out. It's minor and I can deal with it though I am not too keen on everything being wireless. Is Thunderbolt the future?

wait, you DON'T want things to be wireless?? Geeze I can't wait for wireless charging

 

[dashiel]

The closed system is the killer. Apple ID - with all of its info requirements. Download and install - without DMG for b/up. The need for high speed net at all times, etc. I don't want Apple running my system for me, determining what I can and can't do with my own m/c. In all of my Mac years, Apple has never known whom I am, since I have never registered anything and insurance has been handled outside the Apple system.

As for the OS itself, I've not bothered to look closely at it, but Versions, as is, is also a killer. My research work includes accessing several thousand documents via several copies of a text search app, working on some of them, and saving back to a designated folder. With Versions active, it would send my search apps (and me) crazy.

Ah you’re one of those. I assume you are running Tor? The 21st Century is going to be a real challenge.

 

[DeckMan]

...apart from auto-save--which still sucks (and was just a dumb idea, as it has destroyed more files than it has saved...

Again, Autosave doesn't destroy files, thanks to Versions.

The death of HDMI out. It's minor and I can deal with it though I am not too keen on everything being wireless. Is Thunderbolt the future?

Thunderbolt might well be the future of video and data transfer. I'm not sure if there's a need for USB or Ethernet anymore (if everything was compatible to Thunderbolt, of course).

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wait, you DON'T want things to be wireless?? Geeze I can't wait for wireless charging

No more batteries!

 

[OLDCODGER]

Ah you’re one of those. I assume you are running Tor? The 21st Century is going to be a real challenge.

No, not Tor. As for the twenty-first century, if you mean the Cloud, it serves no purpose for me. I have no i-toys and don't want any ( I have a phone - it makes phone calls, when I deign to switch the darn thing on). Streaming is of no interest - I'm too busy. The twenty-first century will be no problem for me, I just want to be able to use well-made H/W, with a fully controllable OS and file system - in stand-alone condition.

 

[ADMProducer]

No, not Tor. As for the twenty-first century, if you mean the Cloud, it serves no purpose for me. I have no i-toys and don't want any ( I have a phone - it makes phone calls, when I deign to switch the darn thing on). Streaming is of no interest - I'm too busy. The twenty-first century will be no problem for me, I just want to be able to use well-made H/W, with a fully controllable OS and file system - in stand-alone condition.

Your username suits well, I see.