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Thoughts on OS X Mountain Lion??

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holden57

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Riemann Zeta said:
I'm using Lion right now and apart from auto-save--which still sucks (and was just a dumb idea, as it has destroyed more files than it has saved...what ever happened to being able to NOT save changes)--it is usable because a lot of the annoying things can be turned off, leaving me with (almost) exactly what I wanted: the most up-to-date version of the sophisticated yet smooth Mac OS. If all the crap is mandatory on 10.8, and so is the Mac App Store (apparently there will be no more software updates, no more dmgs), then it seems that the once great flexibility provided by Mac OS will be gone completely. Mac OS, err, excuse me, Apple OS X, will be like Windows 8--a consumer-based OS that is focused on things like facebook and is designed for phones and tablets.

FreeBSD anyone? It's Mac OS's older, nerdier and more anti-social brother. I guess I could get used to KDE... :(
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Autosave and Mission Control are the main things that have kept me away from Lion as of now. In Lion's defense it actually does not look that bad compared to many of the alternatives, but if Mountain Lion is going to continue on the iOS path, I'd rather continue to use what works for me. And I totally considered a dual boot of FreeBSD on my Macbook haha, but figured it wasn't worth messing up something that works great as it is.
 
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dashiel

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OLDCODGER said:
No, not Tor.
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Something else?

OLDCODGER said:
As for the twenty-first century, if you mean the Cloud, it serves no purpose for me. I have no i-toys and don't want any ( I have a phone - it makes phone calls, when I deign to switch the darn thing on). Streaming is of no interest - I'm too busy.
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Clearly.

OLDCODGER said:
The twenty-first century will be no problem for me, I just want to be able to use well-made H/W, with a fully controllable OS and file system - in stand-alone condition.
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No credit cards then? No car built after, what 2001? No online purchases? Use Lynx for your web browser? No commercial flights? Seems like an awful lot of effort, and it’s not like society is heading towards a less connected state this is the bottom of the hockey stick … Hey you aren’t Richard Stallman are you?
 
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Brammy

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Sep 17, 2008
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OLDCODGER said:
No, not Tor. As for the twenty-first century, if you mean the Cloud, it serves no purpose for me. I have no i-toys and don't want any ( I have a phone - it makes phone calls, when I deign to switch the darn thing on). Streaming is of no interest - I'm too busy. The twenty-first century will be no problem for me, I just want to be able to use well-made H/W, with a fully controllable OS and file system - in stand-alone condition.
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I'm not entirely certain where Lion/ML piss in your wheaties. I will grant you the Duplicate/Versioning for PDFs is troublesome and aggravating, but I don't see anything in OS X 10.8 that neccesitates you having an iCloud account, an i-toy, or high-speed bandwith at all times, etc. You can choose to not store your Documents in the Cloud and use local storage. You can keep your computer private and never have Apple know who you are.

OS X 10.8 does not force you to buy apps from the Mac Store. You can choose to run unsigned software. I don't think Apple will ever force this since developers like Adobe and Microsoft aren't likely to sell their apps in the Mac store.
 
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sea stobble

macrumors newbie
May 11, 2008
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OLDCODGER said:
No, not Tor. As for the twenty-first century, if you mean the Cloud, it serves no purpose for me. I have no i-toys and don't want any ( I have a phone - it makes phone calls, when I deign to switch the darn thing on). Streaming is of no interest - I'm too busy. The twenty-first century will be no problem for me, I just want to be able to use well-made H/W, with a fully controllable OS and file system - in stand-alone condition.
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Download an old OS and don't complain when it can't do the things the newer ones can.
 
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ufdlim

macrumors newbie
May 14, 2011
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They put Software Update with the App Store now.

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AND ITS BROKEN. Can't get my HP printer drivers, no matter how many times I've tried.
 
DeckMan

DeckMan

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Mar 16, 2011
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ufdlim said:
They put Software Update with the App Store now.

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AND ITS BROKEN. Can't get my HP printer drivers, no matter how many times I've tried.
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I'm kind of assuming they will fix that. Of course, if it persists, it might help to report that - they have a bug report tool for developers, I reckon?

Also, does that mean the App Store will finally check for updates automatically without having to launch it?
 
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OLDCODGER

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Jul 27, 2011
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Brammy said:
I'm not entirely certain where Lion/ML piss in your wheaties. I will grant you the Duplicate/Versioning for PDFs is troublesome and aggravating, but I don't see anything in OS X 10.8 that neccesitates you having an iCloud account, an i-toy, or high-speed bandwith at all times, etc. You can choose to not store your Documents in the Cloud and use local storage. You can keep your computer private and never have Apple know who you are.

OS X 10.8 does not force you to buy apps from the Mac Store. You can choose to run unsigned software. I don't think Apple will ever force this since developers like Adobe and Microsoft aren't likely to sell their apps in the Mac store.
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It is the whole Apple ID and sheep herding regimen that has stopped me from considering Lion - regardless of how good/bad the OS is. However, someone further up the thread mentioned the possibility of losing Finder at some stage - that is a no-no as far as I am concerned.
 
KnightWRX

KnightWRX

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Jan 28, 2009
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OLDCODGER said:
It is the whole Apple ID and sheep herding regimen that has stopped me from considering Lion - regardless of how good/bad the OS is. However, someone further up the thread mentioned the possibility of losing Finder at some stage - that is a no-no as far as I am concerned.
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You don't need an Apple ID to get Lion, nor is there "sheep herding".
 
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klaxamazoo

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I could see Finder eventually replaced with something. But I would be surprised if the folder/file hierarchy is replaced anytime soon. I do see Apple moving toward Applications "owning" their documents, but that only works for simple paradigms and I personally don't like Apple's organization methods with regards to Application organized documents i.e. iTunes puts all episodes of the same TV show in the same folder and iPhoto can do horrible things to Photos if you let it.

The other negative of Applications owning their documents is that challenge of moving away from the application for "neutral" file formats if/when the Application stops filling your needs. i.e. iPhoto 11 is just way too slow and bloated for me to use.

In some respects iCloud documents is "spiffy" but single level folders is not something than works for anything other than simple structure like my mother's Documents folder which only has ~10 documents is fine in iCloud. In contrast, I have thousands of word documents that cannot be organized in a single folder system.

I know a lot of people like using tags to organize/categorize documents, but a folder system really is a just an very efficient tag system that automatically adds hierarchical data.
 
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Brammy

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OLDCODGER said:
It is the whole Apple ID and sheep herding regimen that has stopped me from considering Lion - regardless of how good/bad the OS is. However, someone further up the thread mentioned the possibility of losing Finder at some stage - that is a no-no as far as I am concerned.
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Isn't that worrying too far in the future? Why stop using a product now based on worrying about a feature they may not ever eliminate?

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dashiel said:
ML itself will be App Store only (http://www.appleinsider.com/article...media_os_distribution_with_mountain_lion.html)
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That, that right there is a damn good point.
 
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iMacian

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Feb 27, 2011
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I'm not impressed. The new reminders and notes don't sync with Google, so they are useless to me.

Also I can't figure out how to remove a widget from the dashboard. No little x appears and there is no trash bin to drag them to. What am I suppossed to do? Major UI fail!

Also you can't drag the Notifications from the top bar. It apparently has "Spotlight" privileges...
 
maflynn

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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iMacian said:
I'm not impressed. The new reminders and notes don't sync with Google, so they are useless to me.
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Why should you be surprised, this is about the Apple eco-system and its iCloud. The last thing they want to do is promote a product that is in competition. I'm not saying its a great move by them, but just pointing out that Apple's focus is with integrating with apple products not Google's
 
iKIKO

iKIKO

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Jul 30, 2011
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Brammy said:
I'm not entirely certain where Lion/ML piss in your wheaties. I will grant you the Duplicate/Versioning for PDFs is troublesome and aggravating, but I don't see anything in OS X 10.8 that neccesitates you having an iCloud account, an i-toy, or high-speed bandwith at all times, etc. You can choose to not store your Documents in the Cloud and use local storage. You can keep your computer private and never have Apple know who you are.

OS X 10.8 does not force you to buy apps from the Mac Store. You can choose to run unsigned software. I don't think Apple will ever force this since developers like Adobe and Microsoft aren't likely to sell their apps in the Mac store.
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if that happens now we will have to jailbreak our mac's :D
 
Ice Dragon

Ice Dragon

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Jun 16, 2009
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KnightWRX said:
Apple ? I wirelessly charge my HP touchpad every day ... Induction charging is already here and it's no thanks to Apple.
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I think people are reading me wrong. I am not against wireless technology though I don't think everything is perfect say for a display connection or such.
 
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