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matrix07

macrumors G3
Jun 24, 2010
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Sounds like you really don't have a clue how I manage my music library or my listening habits. Let's hope someone can actually answer the question I asked rather than pushing their own point of view about what I should or should not be doing.

Not sure anybody answered this yet but have you tried long pressed on a song name?
 

heyyoudvd

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May 13, 2011
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I just wanted to say that I also use the star system to rate my music, so you are not alone in this.

The star system is great; sometimes I like a song A LOT!! and rate it 5 stars. Sometimes I like a song more than average, so it gets 3-4 stars. Sometimes I don't really care for a song but still want it in my library to play on certain occasions for other people, so it gets 1-2 stars.

It's a system that works really well and I'll be upset if it goes away. Simply hitting the heart for a track isn't enough; there are different degrees of liking something.

EDIT: I should add that if this does go away we may be able to replicate it with playlists. Just make playlists "5 stars", "4 stars", etc... and populate them as appropriate. You can even use temporary smart playlists to initially populate them. It's clunky, but may be a solution if they take this feature away from us.

I agree with this 100%.

I have been using the star rating system since I first downloaded iTunes in 2004 because it's a great system. It's perfect for evaluating how much you like a song, and then using that evaluation to return to the music you love (i.e. via Smart Playlists).

I like the simpler design of the new iOS 10 Music app, but it's still missing a fundamental piece of the puzzle. My biggest criticism of the app still remains - it's too focused around discovery. With all the curation and Beats Playlists and 'For You' suggestions, Apple Music is built around the desire to always suggest something new to you and it doesn't seem to be built with real music lovers in mind.

As a fellow star rating user, I think you'll really agree with this article on the matter.

Essentially, the problem with the iOS 9 Music app wasn't simply the complex interface. Rather, it's the fact that it focused far too heavily on discovery, at the expense of playback of your own music library. The whole thing was designed to always recommend new music to you, but there was very little in the way of design or features that centered around allowing you to play the music you want to hear.

I firmly believe that the #1 feature that Apple Music is lacking is some sort of filter system or a modern equivalent of Smart Playlists, to allow you to specify characteristics from your own music library that you want to hear. If I want to specify the artist, genre, star ratings, and so on, I should be able to input parameters and have it auto-generate a playlist - from the music I already know and love. Apple Music didn't do that in iOS 9 and it still doesn't do that in iOS 10. It's all about suggesting things that you don't know, and it places very little emphasis on organizing and playing back things you already know and love.
 

StonewallBrown

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Mar 25, 2013
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I firmly believe that the #1 feature that Apple Music is lacking is some sort of filter system or a modern equivalent of Smart Playlists, to allow you to specify characteristics from your own music library that you want to hear. If I want to specify the artist, genre, star ratings, and so on, I should be able to input parameters and have it auto-generate a playlist - from the music I already know and love. Apple Music didn't do that in iOS 9 and it still doesn't do that in iOS 10. It's all about suggesting things that you don't know, and it places very little emphasis on organizing and playing back things you already know and love.

Apple Music kinda has a smart playlist feature. Genius Playlists. Not a perfect solution, especially for the star ratings users, but it is a way to get playlists based off of your own library.
 

PsykX

macrumors 68030
Sep 16, 2006
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Takes some getting used to.......
- It takes a lot more click for me to switch between Artists and Playlists because it's no more a tab at the bottom.
- It took me a Google search to find the shuffle / repeat buttons.
- Lyrics : Been waiting for that since a couple of years, but I'm not sure of the UI implementation
- Ugly huge fonts

Basically it's not so bad for an update (I'm only using locally-stored music), but I prefer iOS 9 and iOS 6.
 
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kmj2318

macrumors 68000
Aug 22, 2007
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So after a few days I think the new app is a huge improvement. It's better at showing me what I want. I really like that there's now a recently played section, and that For You has more organization. I like how there's no more drop down in library, now instead customizable lists. The previous way of having the My Music and Playlists tabs at the top with also having a drop down in each was really bad.

The previous app was designed around hierarchical organization of the data. This app is designed around common use cases.

And I love the two column view. I've wanting the Music app to do that for years.
 

dallardice

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Jan 29, 2008
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Not sure anybody answered this yet but have you tried long pressed on a song name?

Thanks, I've tried this, but no luck. Tried tapping, long touching and force touching everywhere... Guess it's not built into this beta, let's hope it comes back before release.
 

BD1

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Jun 27, 2007
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I don't have iOS 10, can someone explain how you interact with your purchased/itunes synced music vs downloaded music from Apple Music that I am just 'renting'? I am just a little confused how this all works (I assume this is all in the Library tab).
 

Omega Mac

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Aug 16, 2013
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Wow, the Music design for iPad is stunning


It's clear the new UI is better on the larger iPad screen, maybe there was a bias in designing for the iPad? They'll have to polish and augment the iPhone version as the large fonts are not going to work.
 

redboxcar

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Oct 20, 2009
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How do I view lyrics?

ETA: Nevermind, found it. I guess it's only on some songs. I thought it would be all of them.
 
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Iceage

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Apr 17, 2010
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What I like:

- not as complicated

What I don't like:

The size of the font, especially in the "now playing" screen. Hard to believe this actually made it to Beta 1. It blows my mind...

What I want, besides fixing up the mess with fonts in Beta 1:

1- when playing videos, full screen on landscape mode.

2- fade option

3- tell me when I add a song to a playlist that's its already in the playlist (duplicate)

4- a dark option

5- just keep the "now playing" screen from the current version. Nothing wrong with it.
 
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RTG4869

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Jul 20, 2015
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I am not able to find the 'Show complete album' button. As far as I can recall it was placed under the list of songs in your library from that album. There seems to be no way to view the rest of the album except to go to the search tab and search for it in All Apple Music. Also, if you want to go to the artist's page in Apple Music you can't do it from within your library. Once again, you have to search for the artist.
 

lagwagon

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Oct 12, 2014
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I am not able to find the 'Show complete album' button. As far as I can recall it was placed under the list of songs in your library from that album. There seems to be no way to view the rest of the album except to go to the search tab and search for it in All Apple Music. Also, if you want to go to the artist's page in Apple Music you can't do it from within your library. Once again, you have to search for the artist.

Please read the link that is in this post that I link to.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-improvements.1977132/page-54#post-23055711

In short. It's early beta and things are missing because it's going through a total redesign. Things are coming as we progress through more beta builds.
 
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Kurzadilla

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Jul 1, 2016
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The biggest issue with me is that Apple Music in iOS 10 doesn't have all the albums by artists listed when you go to them. Prime example is Gucci Mane. This dude has tons of albums/mixtapes in iOS 9. It literally lags my iPad Air 2 while scrolling through them. iOS 10 has just a sprinkling of these. I cannot even search for the specific albums in iOS 10, it says not found. However, if I add them to my library in iTunes or in iOS 9 they show up in Apple Music in iOS 10. Hopefully a beta issue? But I thought everything would draw from the same library? Also, what's up with the tiny videos??
 

Vundu

macrumors 68000
Jun 10, 2009
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Manchester, UK
Why does it have to always show "Showing only music on this iPhone" along the top of the screen all the time :mad:

Yes Apple I don't use Apple music. No Apple I don't want to use Apple music!
 
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lagwagon

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Why does it have to always show "Showing only music on this iPhone" along the top of the screen all the time :mad:

Yes Apple I don't use Apple music. No Apple I don't want to use Apple music!

Read the link inside the link I'm giving you. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-improvements.1977132/page-54#post-23055711

"Turning off Show Apple Music in Music Settings does not yet hide Apple Music."

Simply put, It's beta and early beta at that. The Music app is being redesigned and is not yet finished. The link I gave you links to the Music app known issues/things not yet implemented. (Or at least a good chunk of them)
 
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Shirasaki

macrumors P6
May 16, 2015
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Read the link inside the link I'm giving you. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-improvements.1977132/page-54#post-23055711

"Turning off Show Apple Music in Music Settings does not yet hide Apple Music."

Simply put, It's beta and early beta at that. The Music app is being redesigned and is not yet finished. The link I gave you links to the Music app known issues/things not yet implemented. (Or at least a good chunk of them)
This is an issue existed in iOS 9 all the time. User cannot just show local music without seeing that "only shows local music blah blah" banner.

This is different from "cannot hide tabs only relevant to Apple Music, such as For You, Browse", I think.
 

lagwagon

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This is an issue existed in iOS 9 all the time. User cannot just show local music without seeing that "only shows local music blah blah" banner.

This is different from "cannot hide tabs only relevant to Apple Music, such as For You, Browse", I think.

Yes, the same thing has been in iOS 9. But keep in mind. iOS 9 doesn't really hide much or anything really if you turn off Apple Music. iOS 10 is getting redesigned and it's mentioned that Apple Music will be hidden once turned off (it says "Apple Music" in the release notes, not "Tabs" like you said.) Showing offline music I would imagine would be one of those things since there would be no online/offline. Only offline. So no need to differentiate the two.

I guess only time will tell :)
 

Vundu

macrumors 68000
Jun 10, 2009
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Manchester, UK
Read the link inside the link I'm giving you. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-improvements.1977132/page-54#post-23055711

"Turning off Show Apple Music in Music Settings does not yet hide Apple Music."

Simply put, It's beta and early beta at that. The Music app is being redesigned and is not yet finished. The link I gave you links to the Music app known issues/things not yet implemented. (Or at least a good chunk of them)

My gripe is not a bug and how do you know what is yet to be implemented?

I know its a beta, my gripe is a design choice made by Apple. A design choice trying to get us to use Apple music imo.
 
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Shirasaki

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May 16, 2015
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Yes, the same thing has been in iOS 9. But keep in mind. iOS 9 doesn't really hide much or anything really if you turn off Apple Music. iOS 10 is getting redesigned and it's mentioned that Apple Music will be hidden once turned off (it says "Apple Music" in the release notes, not "Tabs" like you said.) Showing offline music I would imagine would be one of those things since there would be no online/offline. Only offline. So no need to differentiate the two.

I guess only time will tell :)
However, except those "tabs" only useful for Apple Music, "downloaded music " is still useful for users buying songs from iTunes Store but not yet download them on device.

Hmm. Anyway. Only time can tell.
 

Hermes Monster

macrumors 65816
May 4, 2010
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UK
Just to bring this up again (it's mentioned briefly earlier in the thread) but what's the deal with 'Play next' and 'Play later'? 'Play next' seems to work as described, but I'm not sure what 'Play later' is doing? It adds the songs to the up next list (scroll up on player screen) but then doesn't actually play them. How later is later? Will it play them next week?

Also, does anyone else have the thing where the volume starts quiet and gets louder? again, sorry if I missed that, it's quite a long thread
 

M. Gustave

macrumors 68000
Jun 6, 2015
1,856
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Grand Budapest Hotel
Just to bring this up again (it's mentioned briefly earlier in the thread) but what's the deal with 'Play next' and 'Play later'? 'Play next' seems to work as described, but I'm not sure what 'Play later' is doing? It adds the songs to the up next list (scroll up on player screen) but then doesn't actually play them. How later is later? Will it play them next week?

I really don't understand the confusion over these. Play Next literally plays that song next. Play Later adds it to the end of any queue you already have going. If you have no playlist currently, you won't see a difference between the two.
 

Hermes Monster

macrumors 65816
May 4, 2010
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UK
I really don't understand the confusion over these. Play Next literally plays that song next. Play Later adds it to the end of any queue you already have going. If you have no playlist currently, you won't see a difference between the two.

The problem is that it doesn't play the 'Play later' songs, it just stops playing until I go and select them again from the list. It may well be a bug, but I can't know that for certain, so I'm asking what others are experiencing.
 

Loge

macrumors 68030
Jun 24, 2004
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Showing offline music I would imagine would be one of those things since there would be no online/offline. Only offline. So no need to differentiate the two.

Even if you turn off Apple Music, there still needs to be the switch to differentiate between online music (that is purchased from iTunes, but not currently stored on the device) and offline music (which is stored on the device).
 
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Iceage

macrumors 6502
Apr 17, 2010
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I've been using the new music app for two weeks now. Tonight, I went back to Spotify just for fun. OMG the Apple Music App looks bad compare to Spotify. I don't know who's in charge of the design, but are you out of your mind? A couple of suggestion:

1- you don't need large font titles for each section ( Library, For You, Browse, Radio and Search). Actually, you need none. The tab from the section I'm in turns red, good enough for me.

2- the "now playing" screen is awful. Just bring back the iOS 9 version. There was nothing wrong with it.

3- please offer a dark mode. All that white and red lettering is a bit too much.

4- offer crossfade

5- Notifications if I'm adding a song to a playlist that already has it.

If this would be another streaming service, I would absolutely not subscribe to it. The only reason I use Apple Music is because of being able to sync a playlist to the watch for workouts and videos.

Steve Jobs would be embarrassed by this product.
 
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