^^^ I want a 2 disk 2.5" 2x TB RAID0 aluminum case under or around $100.00. 1TB @ 1Gb/s. C'mon it's almost 2014 ffs!
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Thunderbolt Technology Stagnating?
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Well, I think it's point 3
- 4 and 5 bay cases for TB are all by companies I never heard of before (except blackmagic)
Well, I think it's point 3
- 4 and 5 bay cases for TB are all by companies I never heard of before (except blackmagic)
Oh counting, pffff. Sorry dude.
How about $239?
http://www.amazon.com/Akitio-Neutrino-Thunder-Duo-Enclosure/dp/B00D4EBIV4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_2
Not that this is super quality (it's Taiwanese) but you can't even get a quality USB 3 enclosure for $100.
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Did you read the only review --- not inspiring is it?
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Yes, Lacie, and Promise have products - but they are stuffed with 7200 rpm drives.
I love silence and I am all SSD. I like choosing my own performance level for drives! Totally prepared to get 2 EVO 1TB for storage and two 840 Pro 512's for working drives. But what can I put them in besides - J4 (can't boot from it) and Oyen Digital (a name I can trust?)....
another log on the fire
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Yeah, that's why I earlier said... "be careful what you wish for". Cheap and high quality rarely go together. I find it bizarre that folks in a professional workstation forum (and Apple no-less) are pining for cheap Taiwanese enclosures for their data.
Did you read the only review --- not inspiring is it?
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Yes, Lacie, and Promise have products - but they are stuffed with 7200 rpm drives.
I love silence and I am all SSD. I like choosing my own performance level for drives! Totally prepared to get 2 EVO 1TB for storage and two 840 Pro 512's for working drives. But what can I put them in besides - J4 (can't boot from it) and Oyen Digital (a name I can trust?)....
another log on the fire
Check out the blackmagic dock.
Yep. Seems a little crap. Ugly to boot. They should be much smaller as well. I'd go $200 on something better. Maybe 100.00 was a pipe dream. $200 to me is easily overpriced for a little pcb, licensing, and hopefully aluminum. I still need $600-1000 worth of SSD to fill it. Maybe less when a suitable enclose crops up.
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Yep that's the one I have been eyeing for a while. I don't like the $600 price or the fact that it is a single TB port!!! (no daisy chaining!). Last thing is I have yet to see a single review on this box in use. Can you boot from it? etc... I also just noticed that this dock uses SATA II (3Gbps) on all fur bays -- what a shame!
Regardless it is about as close as I have seen so far (for me)...
--- And as we already see from talking about storage - Very few options really - especially if you want to choose what drives go in the box (and who doesn't want to choose???)
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I'm curious why you would want or need to boot from an external... The SSD in the nMP is perfect for a boot volume, and you can't buy a nMP without it... So why not boot from it?
For me I am always a generation behind in OS that I use. I also keep one older and one newer bootable versions as well as a clean install version for debugging. Pro audio rarely keeps pace with the cutting edge. So today I have 10.8.4 as current (on internal SSD) with archives of clean installs of 10.8.4 and 10.8.5 for debugging if needed. I am ready to start prototyping a Maverick version but I don't have any more places to put one
...I always have a clone of my working system I can go back to if an upgrade goes bad (happened many times)
For me I am always a generation behind in OS that I use. I also keep one older and one newer bootable versions as well as a clean install version for debugging. Pro audio rarely keeps pace with the cutting edge. So today I have 10.8.4 as current (on internal SSD) with archives of clean installs of 10.8.4 and 10.8.5 for debugging if needed. I am ready to start prototyping a Maverick version but I don't have any more places to put one
I always have a clone of my working system I can go back to if an upgrade goes bad (happened many times)
I would go with VMware fusion to simplify your life
This is the sort of thing Thunderbolt is good at and USB3 is bad at.
The Thunderbolt version just has to stick a Thunderbolt controller next to the SATA RAID controller. The USB version needs to do all sorts of abstraction and work to make it one disk.
You probably don't see much of these sorts of drive arrays, at least not at cheaper price points, because of demand and scarcity of Thunderbolt controllers, but in theory the silicon is a lot easier with Thunderbolt to make.
In my opinion the problem with Thunderbolt lies in the fact that it requires a video signal to be fed into the thunderbolt controller. In theory, having data and video (which is just data in a special format) on one cable sounds like a good idea. But in practice this means that it's nearly impossible to add Thunderbolt to an existing machine or to increase the number of thunderbolt ports in a machine which already has thunderbolt.
With firewire, when you had the option between a less stable USB audio module or the better firewire based module, you could simply buy the better firewire module and add an firewire controller card for another 100 $. This was a no brainer.
My guess is Thunderbolt will see much more adoption if the display signal requirement is dropped.
PCs are starting to get around this by having paired motherboard/card combos, where the card plugs into a header on the board, and then a cable runs from the card to a GPU.
It saves costs because they don't have to include the Thunderbolt controller, it's an after purchase add on. So for enthusiasts, its there if they want it.
I have a sneaking suspicion though that Intel is going to start pushing for deeper integration with Thunderbolt with their chips though.
If your going to plagiarize another article word for word, and pass it off as your own, at least provide a link to said article. So we can determine the validity of the article for ourselves.
While it was said USB 3.0 was not dependent on the CPU, I'm not sure that is quite true. I've found information in the past saying its still dependent on the CPU.
USB 3.0 supports DMA, which means it can transfer data without going through the CPU.
But you need a device that supports DMA.
I would go with VMware fusion to simplify your life
VMware Fusion does not support accelerated graphics under an OS X guest. This makes everything painfully slow to operate. Likewise, there is no PCI pass through, nor is there pass through for anything other then USB devices. And the emulated sound card in Fusion has severe issues playing back even the system alerts, let alone a multitrack DAW project.
Fusion is interesting tech, but virtually useless for running older (or even current) versions of OS X. For someone like an audio engineer or musician, you basically have to boot the OS on the bare metal.
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Do you mean the UASP support? For UASP the machine, hub, usb stick/disk needs to support it in order to work.
Did you read the only review --- not inspiring is it?
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Yes, Lacie, and Promise have products - but they are stuffed with 7200 rpm drives.
I love silence and I am all SSD. I like choosing my own performance level for drives! Totally prepared to get 2 EVO 1TB for storage and two 840 Pro 512's for working drives. But what can I put them in besides - J4 (can't boot from it) and Oyen Digital (a name I can trust?)....
another log on the fire
Not gonna fit your bill money wise, but have a look at the Drobo mini. That should fit the bill perfectly as a 2.5" array. That will take 4 SSD's if required.
Lastly if your standard is FW - surely USB3 is a perfect option and 3.1 is out next year at TB1 speeds if req'd.
The TB drives available are excellent but expensive.. I have a Seagate as a 1gb back up or an SSD scratch drive as work/software dictates.
This is reminding me of the Firewire debate I loved it when the iPods came with support for FW, heaps faster sustained transfer rate.
TB is expensive but the market is there for some and Apple have always pioneered with such technology.
I loved it when the iPods came with support for FW, heaps faster sustained transfer rate.TB is expensive but the market is there for some and Apple have always pioneered with such technology.
Since the nMP hasn't been released yet, and Thunderbolt 2 has just been released, I think it is a bit early to predict the demise of Thunderbolt.
I come from the pro audio world. The only pro audio gear (as far as I know) that offers TB as an option is the UA Apollo. And I think the reason is, it's a small form-factor interface that's suitable for the MBP (which has a TB port).
Since the cMP never offered TB, why would any company besides the UA example build pro audio TB gear? Without a nMP running TB2, how could the gear companies do real-world testing?
That said, unlike other fields where TB2 could be rapidly embraced, there's a ton of pro audio money invested in FW gear that works just fine. The proof? It's on your iPad or iPhone. 99.999% etc. of those songs were recorded and mixed on FW gear (or analog gear).
Since Avid just released Pro Tools 11, which supports 64-bit architecture, as well as AAX, the new 64-bit plug-in format, I think there's little doubt that TB2 gear will be arriving. However, even if the new nMP using TB2, PT11 and AXX works great, it's going to be a gradual process.
For those in pro fields where most of the work is in-the-box, the adaption rate will undoubtedly be the usual "as needed," with pro TB gear coming to the market as that market develops.
I also agree with some others that the nMP will also be bought by people with the discretionary funds for high-end home entertainment systems. As well as Mac fans who just have to have the latest fastest Mac, even if they don't need all that power. And that's going to drive lower end TB2 gear as well, in parallel with the pro TB2 gear.
My suggestion. Wait until the nMP is released, and let the bleeders bleed, before making speculations about the future status of TB.
I come from the pro audio world. The only pro audio gear (as far as I know) that offers TB as an option is the UA Apollo. And I think the reason is, it's a small form-factor interface that's suitable for the MBP (which has a TB port).
Since the cMP never offered TB, why would any company besides the UA example build pro audio TB gear? Without a nMP running TB2, how could the gear companies do real-world testing?
That said, unlike other fields where TB2 could be rapidly embraced, there's a ton of pro audio money invested in FW gear that works just fine. The proof? It's on your iPad or iPhone. 99.999% etc. of those songs were recorded and mixed on FW gear (or analog gear).
Since Avid just released Pro Tools 11, which supports 64-bit architecture, as well as AAX, the new 64-bit plug-in format, I think there's little doubt that TB2 gear will be arriving. However, even if the new nMP using TB2, PT11 and AXX works great, it's going to be a gradual process.
For those in pro fields where most of the work is in-the-box, the adaption rate will undoubtedly be the usual "as needed," with pro TB gear coming to the market as that market develops.
I also agree with some others that the nMP will also be bought by people with the discretionary funds for high-end home entertainment systems. As well as Mac fans who just have to have the latest fastest Mac, even if they don't need all that power. And that's going to drive lower end TB2 gear as well, in parallel with the pro TB2 gear.
My suggestion. Wait until the nMP is released, and let the bleeders bleed, before making speculations about the future status of TB.
LongSticks: "if your standard is FW - surely USB3 is a perfect option and 3.1 is out next year at TB1 speeds if req'd."
FW streams data, whereas USB streams packets data. And FW is usually uses a single controller that's dedicated for audio/video purposes. Since pro audio requires steady clocking and uninterruptible stability, USB is not an option.
Other usages are probably not that finicky.
FW streams data, whereas USB streams packets data. And FW is usually uses a single controller that's dedicated for audio/video purposes. Since pro audio requires steady clocking and uninterruptible stability, USB is not an option.
Other usages are probably not that finicky.
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