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Anti-choice once again to further profit. I was watching an interesting concept of replacing storage memory on the pricey Mac Studios, as there's a second connection slot, and noticing the extra slot is just a fabrication, unless you buy the storage right from Apple directly.

Funny to talk about profit when sharing a video with a click bait title about an issue already explained over and over again for the weeks since the studio was available (from a guy who has some decent reviews, but a lot of his Apple related videos are for clicks to get "Amens" from telling partial-truths to "Apple hater" fans).
 
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I mean can everyone just take a major reality check?

I mean I think its funny people think that Apple will allow sideloading and not keep making exactly what they are making now. Look at the increasing costs of everything Apple. Sideloading will just mean increased prices across the board for everything Apple. People trying to save a buck on an app are going to be in for sticker shock and end up being priced out of the Apple ecosystem altogether.

The funnier part is people thinking they will save money by sideloading in general. That's a 100% no. Money developers are paying Apple will start coming out of your pocket. Net loss to consumes but I am sure you guys are all completely willing to pay more to support the devs right? That's what its about. You want to pay more.

These are just facts. Developers want more money directly or not it's going to come from you. This magical scenario in people's heads that Apple will just say yeah do what you want we will take pay cuts and our shareholders will understand is a truly clueless mentality.

Best part is this is the perfect time for this shift to happen. Apple won't publicly say oh so now that we don't get our cut we are adding 100 bucks to every product they will simply talk about the world and all the hardships and shortages and everyone will be like yeah I am doing the right thing supporting Apple!
You seem to be treating this as if the people who want sideloading want it just so they can pirate apps or “save a buck”. There are already services which allow mass piracy that Apple seemingly doesn’t care about.

You also seem to think that developers are really desperate to take back Apple’s 15% (or 30%) cut — desperate enough to ask their user bases to change the way they’ve been getting apps for over a decade. What major Android apps are distributed outside of the Play Store for this purpose?

It isn’t about Dev profits or getting free apps.
 
"By checking this box, I confirm that I understand that sideloading apps will reduce the privacy and security of my data, and Apple will not be responsible for any privacy leakage"

Sorted

They're just digging their heels in, instead of facing the fact that the monopoly they've had over app distribution is coming to an end.

It's all about the benjamins, nothing else.

Apple is still free to operate the App Store, charge the fees they charge for the developers that are happy with the agreement. And people are free to still only use the App store if they want to maintain the highest level of security and privacy.

The rest just want a simple choice. Apple can still be a part of making that choice safer.

A warning system helps, but it’s not foolproof for oblivious or non-attentive users.

And a warning system does not address the other issue, which is that opening up the App Store ecosystem will decrease the availability of apps for users who want to stay only in the App Store. Some apps will migrate out of the App Store, and if it’s an app that a user depends on, they will be forced to follow.

All this is to say that if the App Store opens up, some users may benefit, but there are also users who will be hampered. The only entire group that will benefit is companies/developers.

The obvious question then is, what do the majority of users want?
But that question is actually irrelevant until another question is answered, which is, what law is Apple breaking? No company should be forced to do something if they aren’t breaking the law.
 
Funny to talk about profit when sharing a video with a click bait title about an issue already explained over and over again for the weeks since the studio was available (from a guy who has some decent reviews, but a lot of his Apple related videos are for clicks to get "Amens" from telling partial-truths to "Apple hater" fans).

Click bait titles and silly thumbnails aside, I always found LTT to be one of the better general review sites out there, in terms of their review of Mac products.

If Apple wanted to, they could have made the Mac Studio with user upgradable NAND storage that could be swapped out without even opening the case. Something like the RAM on the iMac or the sim card in the iPhone. Just pop it out and swap.
 
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I so hate the term side loading.... they are acting like its a new thing to install your own software without the manufacturer's permission....

The iPhone is one of the highest volume general purpose computers in the world.....that users can spend up to $2000 to own.... not lease, not borrow, but own.... we should have the right to use it how we see fit, whether within the Apple controlled garden or however else we would want to use a general purpose computer.

As long as the software you install doesn't have direct access to cause trouble with the cellular network, I see no issue...
You do have the right to use it how you see fit, and you are able. You can use it as it was intended by Apple or you can hack it. Apple isn’t obligated to make hacking it easier though.
 
I am not a fan of sideloading, mostly because it's not something many less-experienced phone users want to deal with. Now, multiple app stores that operate under a common security framework, that's a different story.

(I should emphasize "less-experienced users." We posting here on MacRumors forums aren't that crowd (in general).)

Ask the question, why should?
 
I'll give you an example. On the early days of Cydia AT&T had a restriction on Tethering. An app develop (or several actually) developed an app that tricked the OS into allowing Tethering on AT&T data plans.

Another example, Apple's in-app purchase system. There was an app (or script/apk) in Cydia that spoofed a successful payment to the App Store and as such, you could actually gain in-app "premium" content without paying for it.

Hence, it is conceivable that an app can be written with a baked-in option to bypass "Do not Track". These two events are not theoretical, they actually happened and there is evidence.

Before you make claims like this perhaps it would be better to see just what "sideloading" on an iPhone really is. I seriously doubt it allows root level access.
 
It's interesting that while there was a small push for side loading by Epic and a few other companies, it didn't become a big deal until Apple added the "Ask app not to track". Then the governments started getting involved.
"Ask app not to track" can still work with side-loading enabled.
 
So local scanning for CSAM would make Apple profit how exactly?

I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the - thankfully failed - local scanning for CSAM was. It was an attempt to make the scanning of personal documents - uploaded to Apple servers - more secure. Now if you don’t believe that items you store in the cloud should be scanned, you should probably start getting politically vocal, since that is the direction US and EU legislation is heading.

Nice spin.
Your #117 post was closer to factual as to functionality.
 
Does Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo allow Steam, Epic, GOG, etc. stores on their consoles? Apple is extremely hands on with their phone and their App Store, Google handles this the complete opposite way, being very hands off and providing a fraction of the support. Either way works, but being in between would be a nightmare.

What do consoles have to do with this? Nada. Some just use that as a flag to throw and attempt to place relevance.
My comment was on possible solutions for Apple. Other points of install instead of the "full Android" solution.
 
Do you really want to live in a world where private companies exist above the law and can choose what legislation they want to follow?

You can make the argument that no company can morally operate in China (Apple is no longer in Russia), but I don’t think you can make the argument that it is moral for companies to operate above the law.
Except they are. They are refusing to follow international laws or rulings that tell them to open things up. That is picking and choosing legislation they want to follow, because they make enough money to pay the fine.

I saw throw some execs in jail and see what happens. Maybe they will start being pro-jailbreak.....
 
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IF apple is forced to allow side loading, I hope Apple will also offer an option so I never see them, so there is no chance that I can download them accidentally or through fraudulent methods. I paid a lot of money for the extras security Apple’s walled garden Offers.

It is a lot more work for Apple to enhance the security of their OS with side loading enabled so of course Apple need to charge more for the option.
 
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Yeah Tim, “privacy” is just biggest concern with side loading, not $$$$$. So kind of him.
They are interconnected, if you destroy their security, you destroy their bottom line.
 
IF apple is forced to allow side loading, I hope Apple will also offer an option so I never see them, so there is no chance that I can download them accidentally or through fraudulent methods. I paid a lot of money for the extras security Apple’s walled garden Offers.

It is a lot more work for Apple to enhance the security of their OS with side loading enabled so of course Apple need to charge more for the option.

You mean you paid extra for the illusion of extra security. Its been quite well established by this point that Apple ignores security researchers who find zero day exploits. Just like they don't look that deep into apps they approve and people are duped into paying subscription fees to fake apps all the time.
 
And Walmart has a monopoly on their shelves. But you don't have to shop at Walmart.

Actually, Walmart doesn't force you to go back to Walmart if you buy a video game for a console later, or if you order a subscription to a magazine you bought there. If they did, Apple would be screaming bloody murder about them taking a share of every App Store purchase for phones you bought in their store.

So that is a terrible analogy, yet people like to use it.
 
I moved to Apple 20+ years agro because Dell went cheap and moved customer support to India, leaving me with malware that could not eb taken care of after two weeks of struggles with India, That motivated me to take a brief trip to CompUSA to chat with the Apple Rep and leave with a 15" PowerBook, plus software to run one critical PC app. There was a LOT of transferring data (especially accounting data) and it left me with no return to casual protection of my data. The same is for today, but my medical records and data are at the top of my list for protection and I don't want Apple to get casual on security,
 
Before you make claims like this perhaps it would be better to see just what "sideloading" on an iPhone really is. I seriously doubt it allows root level access.
You doubt? There is no doubt here. Sideloading allows installing of apps into the filesystem without the App Store. Just like Cydia and Installer did before the times of the App Store. The only difference is Cydia/Installer used a GUI much like the App Store does.

Hence, anything can be installed that can be programmed to gain root level access. How do you think Cydia and Installer were made to work? The whole point in the jailbreak was to gain access to _root in order to gain the necessary permissions for springboard to work with "unintended" apps.
 
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Actually, Walmart doesn't force you to go back to Walmart if you buy a video game for a console later, or if you order a subscription to a magazine you bought there. If they did, Apple would be screaming bloody murder about them taking a share of every App Store purchase for phones you bought in their store.

So that is a terrible analogy, yet people like to use it.
It's buying a product from a company. You're referring to subscriptions(or other things) that come from the products you buy. Two separate issues. The analogy works as far as proving that Apple doesn't have a monopoly on apps, or product.
Sony doesn't have a Monopoly of games, even though you have to buy them through their store, even after you buy a game, and purchase is-game stuff, Sony still gets its share.
 
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Jailbreak is another way of saying sideloading; it's just a fancy word for forcing in an alternate App Store.

Sorry, but what?

I’ve been sideloading apps for over a year using AltServer. I never once for a second considered my device remotely close to being jailbroken. God, I wish, though.

Perhaps I’m missing something because you’ve demonstrated you know what you’re talking about technically, but I’m not seeing the parallel here.

There are a lot of moving parts here. I think “alternate app stores” is a goal for companies like Epic who want to make their own rules. I don’t support that. I literally just want to not worry “would Apple allow this app, or do I need to use a different platform to do this very basic thing?”
 
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