I kind of get the console argument. However it’s worth noting that Xbox does allow sideloading. It’s just.. annoying.
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Tim Cook Delivers Speech Emphasizing Apple's Opposition to Sideloading
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Yeah. Agreed. Not even remotely the same concepts..
People that conflate those are showcasing how little they understand the technical differences here.
Side loaded apps still have to ask you permission to access your photo roll or address book. Side loaded apps don't just skip the os security.
Sideloading doesn't need jailbreak. But jailbreak is sideloading taken to another level. The only difference is that jailbreak gives you all the access you need. Sideloading is a stepping stone from jailbreak and theoretically allows your app to live in a. sandbox; theoretically.
Let me put it this way. Back in 1.1.2 days there was a nice little TIFF bug in Safari through which you could gain _root access. That TIFF bug allowed a simple cord free and painless jailbreak of the target device.
It is not farfetched to think a side loaded app could exploit a bug like that and hen grant you the same type of access.
As per "alternate app stores", that just opens so many variables when it comes to user experience and customer service. Can you imagine the amount of people who will go and make an appointment with the Apple store because they had issues with the Epic store? Not to mention, each store will have its own set of rules. No, let's keep it to one store curated by Apple. It's not perfect, but it has worked quite fine so far.
That’s actually the exact story of sideloading.
Side loading doesn’t get you around the OS security framework and limitations
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I’m just about out of energy with this thread, but, dude… No…
And now it’s Apple partly moving stuff from China to India ?
Rule #1, when you get a new hardware, rewrite the disk with zeros and reinstall the OS image manually. I do this with Windows and Apple stuff, a preinstalled software could be compromised in many ways, in case you got the malware with a new Dell.
That's the theoretical aspect. The real one is different. Trying to dilute that truth is dangerous.
Even if it was, what’s so bad becoming root on demand? Installing Software and becoming the Admin of your own hardware is nothing reprehensible.
Hey look, he can manage his own hardware, let’s stone him, he shall not have free will…
I don't know where at any point I said it was about Piracy. That's a whole other issue that developers will lose out on. If you want to touch on that subject yes there are ways to pirate. Sideloading and making it easier will make it worse I don't know how you can disagree to that. Look at any gaming console that went from needing a modchip to just exploiting something and see how much piracy destroyed things like the PSP as it got easier.
Epic and others have flat out said they charge more because they have to. The idea that they will charge less is a lie plain and simple. There have been posts that things are expensive on the appstore because that 30% is factored into app store prices. Once again no developer is going to rejoice and pass the savings onto you.
Also what I am emphasizing is if this means companies are not giving Apple their cut Apple will make up for it against users.
Maybe the issue is this is more than sideloading and more of the bypassing Apple's payment systems.
Where are you getting its not about profits? That's literally the argument of all the lawsuits. I know you're not trying to make the argument that its about the fringe cases of wanting to install apps that violate government rules or to have the convenience of having an adult app.
So please enlighten me what it's all about?
Really? The marketplace is the only source of content for these devices. You want a switch game it come from the nintendo store. You want an app for iphone appstore. You want DLC it comes from the consoles marketplace. The fees are identical to Apples. It's the same thing.
Even if a physical copy is available it was blessed by the company and has a fingerprint for it to function.
Locked ecosystem is a locked ecosystem. Sideloading and bypassing marketplaces should be a global decision. No targeting Apple. If Apple is forced to allow it consoles should have to as well. Developer wants to provide a iso/rom to play on a console fair game no store or fees required.
As far as I know right now, Apple doesn't even verify the data collection claims of all apps. Just that they have claims.
Not sure how effective Apple's claims even are.
(bold emphasis mine).
It is amazing, your statement, and why do some keep going on as if allowing alternate install methods is the same as root access.
Regarding the piracy, that’s finest crap of business clowns.
Look at Adobe, Alias Wavefront, Softimage, Autodesk, piracy is what made em become successful. E.g. teenagers used pirated versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, 3DSMax, who wasn’t able to effort a $3k-$30k Software in anyway. EDU versions didn’t exist. What do you think they became master at, and used officially later in their jobs, leading to stable software purchases?
Piracy goes hand in hand with marketing, back in the days companies even used to provide their unreleased software to the couriers of the scene, solely for marketing(cracking) purposes, trying to let their software become the status quo by hyping it up.
Same goes for GOG Games now a days. Cyberpunk, the Witcher, etc. sells very well, despite not having any DRM protections.
The pirates who can’t effort, won’t buy. The hardcore piracy guys won’t buy it too, they would just skip the software or game if they couldn’t pirate it. But both serves the mouth to mouth propaganda a.k.a. free marketing.
It’s mainly just fictive money loss excuses, with minimal exceptions, by saying IF they would buy it, but they simply wouldn’t.
Sideloading might lead to a bit more piracy, who knows, but won’t lead to real money loss. Good stuff will always sell well, but we might see a few moaning devs with e.g. the 10000th version of a meteor attack spaceship shooting game built to fail, finger pointing at piracy.
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When it comes to tracking or collecting personal data, Apple tracks and keeps. They refuse to tell you what they do with that data. I use very minimal icloud and nothing to do with icloud and photos or video. No backup. No storage. All turned off in Settings. Yet somehow Apple / iCloud is one of the most often hit links on my 13PM and IPP11 and tied to photos.
Apple talks about privacy but does not include themselves. People seem to forget or miss that.
Sounds like you are assuming the "solution" will not include sandboxing and allow root level. Why?
Cydia was more of a GUI style gatekeeper that allowed linking to specific "stores".
My biggest complaint at this time is not if, but the assumption by some here that they know the Apple solution and are playing the extreme negative what if game. Even IF the solution was the current Android design, that would be the worst case scenario and is far more moderate than what is being "OMG the world is ending" pushed by some here.
It honestly sometimes makes me wonder if there is astroturfing going on
Here is one for Tim Cook Privacy ...
Can one privately install an app on his iOS device without Apple knowing? Do people even have that option? No. That info needs to be totally open to $Apple$.
Now, can one privately plan a criminal act on the iPhone ... will Apple protect such data even against the Feds ...? Oh yes as long as the above is not private. It happened before ...
Tim Cook does not give a dime for peoples privacy, rights over their properties or safety if not by regulation or popular opinion. It's all about how much he can make from fully controlling peoples devices and the digital services that people want to use ($$$).
It just happens that privacy is on the public agenda considering the blunders of Facebook and others. So it is good for Marketing.
The duplicity is obvious. Privacy is a good thing as long it does not conflict with Tim Cook agenda ... just like any other zealot.
That is why people need independent regulators and regulation in cases where companies amass huge power over consumers decision processes.
Case closed. Move on.
Can one privately install an app on his iOS device without Apple knowing? Do people even have that option? No. That info needs to be totally open to $Apple$.
Now, can one privately plan a criminal act on the iPhone ... will Apple protect such data even against the Feds ...? Oh yes as long as the above is not private. It happened before ...
Tim Cook does not give a dime for peoples privacy, rights over their properties or safety if not by regulation or popular opinion. It's all about how much he can make from fully controlling peoples devices and the digital services that people want to use ($$$).
It just happens that privacy is on the public agenda considering the blunders of Facebook and others. So it is good for Marketing.
The duplicity is obvious. Privacy is a good thing as long it does not conflict with Tim Cook agenda ... just like any other zealot.
That is why people need independent regulators and regulation in cases where companies amass huge power over consumers decision processes.
Case closed. Move on.
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Flip that.
Apple has determined that you can only buy what they allow and from where totally shutting out the marketplace. No global decision. If Apple determines a specific app can no longer be sold (for whatever reason) it is done. Done. Gone.
I can sideload apps on Android, Windows, Linux, MacOS, XBox, PSP, PS4. Don't own a PS5 so can't say. And I can buy the apps from a number of venues, not just the OEM. The console argument doesn't cut it from a use case either.
So why wouldn't that dev claim apples bug bounty. Why would he want to do what ever bad thing you want to imagine.
While Apple does keep data on its users, it’s not tracking data, and it’s all anonymized, and they don’t sell the data. I know this to be true, because they say it it. I choose to believe that they are telling the truth because, Apple loves money, and if they were to be caught in a lie, their value would plummet. No organization is able to keep that kind of secret. Even governments cant keep all their secrets, and they have the ability and legal means to eliminate people that leak data.