Tim Cook discussion thread [merged]

[akash.nu]

Found this nice article and thought the content seem to be well thought out and does have valid points. What do you guys think?

https://steveblank.com/2016/10/24/w...allmer-and-why-he-still-has-his-job-at-apple/

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I find it hard picturing Tim Cook as Steve Ballmer.

 

[BigDO]

Spot on.

 

[F1Mac]

Found this nice article and thought the content seem to be well throughout and does have valid points. What do you guys think?

https://steveblank.com/2016/10/24/w...allmer-and-why-he-still-has-his-job-at-apple/

Nice article - but I bet Apple's revenue/profits would have been the same if Steve Jobs was still alive. He knew the iPhone was going to revolutionize the smartphone (or dare I cell phone) market.

I agree about Cook's lack of "personal" vision. You could tell that Steve Jobs had Apple in his heart when he was talking. I don't see that watching or listening to Cook. When Jobs spoke about a product, he knew what he was talking about (or at least he did seem to ), he talked about technicalities and specific stuff, which made us think he was very much involved in every step of the process. When Cook talks, it's almost like he's reading a prompter. I don't doubt that he loves Apple, and I think it would be foolish for us to deny his qualities as a CEO. But compared to Jobs, there's definitely something missing - I'd say passion. Passion about Apple and Apple products. After all, Steve Jobs founded Apple, that must account for something when it comes to "passion" and dedication.

...Having said that, and regardless how nice this article might be, no, definitely no, Tim Cook != Steve Ballmer.

 

[Crazy Badger]

So Tim was doomed before he even got the job

 

[akash.nu]

Nice article - but I bet Apple's revenue/profits would have been the same if Steve Jobs was still alive. He knew the iPhone was going to revolutionize the smartphone (or dare I cell phone) market.

I agree about Cook's lack of "personal" vision. You could tell that Steve Jobs had Apple in his heart when he was talking. I don't see that watching or listening to Cook. When Jobs spoke about a product, he knew what he was talking about (or at least he did seem to ), he talked about technicalities and specific stuff, which made us think he was very much involved in every step of the process. When Cook talks, it's almost like he's reading a prompter. I don't doubt that he loves Apple, and I think it would be foolish for us to deny his qualities as a CEO. But compared to Jobs, there's definitely something missing - I'd say passion. Passion about Apple and Apple products. After all, Steve Jobs founded Apple, that must account for something when it comes to "passion" and dedication.

...Having said that, and regardless how nice this article might be, no, definitely no, Tim Cook != Steve Ballmer.

I see where you're coming from but Apple's approach now is very much what Microsoft was when Gates left. I guess every company has to go through this at some point.

 

[itsray]

I see where you're coming from but Apple's approach now is very much what Microsoft was when Gates left. I guess every company has to go through this at some point.

well Apple already did it once when they fired Steve and then he came back.

 

[akash.nu]

well Apple already did it once when they fired Steve and then he came back.

But no more Steve now. That's the thing.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Like many others, long time Apple afficionado getting more and more disheartened.But among all the recent threads and comments here or elsewhere and all the complaints about Tim Cook, one aspect has been rarely considered :
let's not forget that it was Jobs who decided on Cook as his successor.
It's not like Tim conspired to overthrow whoever was in place and took power.

Jobs knows Cook very well. He has been with the company almost as long as the first iMac iirc.
So why did he choose him ? I don't think because he saw him as his spiritual alias ( Ive would be more like that). Maybe because he thought he was a capable manager, not a visionary or creative one, but perhaps the least likely to really damage Apple, because all other choices would have been much much worse.

Maybe what we're getting with Tim Cook is actually the least worse scenario possible. Which isn't much, but then again what we witnessed under the Jobs era was unique , and it is foolish to expect to see anything like it again.

 

[Michael Goff]

It's the same uproar that happens after every time Apple does a major redesign.

Maybe a little more piss and vinegar since it's been awhile, but the "Apple had lost its focus" and "MacBook Pros aren't for Pros" and "they make them too thin" comments have followed every. single. keynote. for the last 13 years I've been reading MacRumors.

This time they don't have a lot of defenders, though. Look at what even most Apple sites are saying.

 

[maflynn]

It's the same uproar that happens after every time Apple does a major redesign.

Yup, but I think its different this time. The uproar seems to be more about not doing enough, especially at the higher price. Yes, folks are upset about losing legacy ports but overall that's a temporary situation.

 

[Naimfan]

The design of the 15" MBP seems . . . ok. Fine. However you want to put it - unobjectionable. Far from a work of art.

But:

Offering performance that is well behind the class leaders, yet charging more, not offering more than 16 GB RAM, and remaining at 256 GB storage, all while raising the price for the base 15" model by 20% is simply taking the p**s, as the British say. The prior base 15" was itself badly over-priced relative to its performance; the new one is atrocious.

And the fact that you can't plug the new iPhone 7 directly into the new MBP without an adapter is simply ludicrous.

The problem is that for all of his good qualities, Mr. Cook is not the kind of leader who can foster the creativity to create and nurture anything like the iPod, iPhone, iMac, etc. He is the ideal #2.

 

[BenTrovato]

Make Apple great again? That will never fly. They should hire Bernie Madoff.

 

[wingmanmac]

It would be cool to see Schiller try produce/mix a 100+ tracks song only using the new revolutionary touchbar, since they claim it would improve and fasten a music producers workflow, and after all they call it a PRO machine.

 

[pat500000]

I like Balmer...he's that Darth Vader that people fear...... Fear keeps the operation online.

 

[michaelsviews]

When you let the Mac line go as long as it has, and then release new systems that are overpriced + buying adapters, I'd say it's time to look for some new People all around

 

[Les Kern]

In a related question, is Taco Bell actually food?

 

[AL2TEACH]

I see where you're coming from but Apple's approach now is very much what Microsoft was when Gates left. I guess every company has to go through this at some point.

This would be the second time for Apple and both times involved Jobs leaving Apple.
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well Apple already did it once when they fired Steve and then he came back.

Damn, lol,. I replied too fast because your reply was next and it was my thought also, lol.

might sound a bit off the wall but if I was Apple, I'd give Wojo, meant Woz, a call and see where it might go.

 

[AL2TEACH]

I remember when Jobs was forced out/fired from Apple and the suits almost wrecked it. I agree with you, maybe this time, he made sure the suits wouldn't wreck it by picking Cook and in that regard, Cook has done/doing a fine job.

 

[Gav2k]

Agreed. All the Apple bashing is getting boring

 

[pat500000]

I think CEO and all svp are tired of working at Apple and want to retire. Time for fresh meats.

 

[johngordon]

I think he might be meaning the Mac Pro....

Was the original 'Hello world...' the Mac Pro then?

I didn't think it was.

 

[asleep]

They need to hire someone from a company that's still innovative... like Microsoft.

 

[BeefCake 15]

Has the petition been made?

 

[Brandon Hobart]

I think Tim Cook is the right person to become the CEO of Apple. He has the ability to come up with innovations but I don't know why is he not giving his best what is expected from him... Maybe it is the gradual decline of Apple that is depressing him or so. If he has lost hopes to make stand Apple at the place where it was before, then I must say that he should get retired and give a chance to someone else who can do that!