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Do you think it’s time for Tim Cook to move on? He’s a #’s guy not a Visionary


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Synchromesh

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Jul 15, 2009
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I actually agree 100%. Under Cook the company became a greedy evil empire. They cut customer service quite a bit in many areas. The quality of Mac laptops deteriorated into cheap PC level with tons of recalls. There's more but it's a long list. Let me just put it this way - usually I replaced my phones every 2 years with a new one. Last year I passed on the 12. Apple is a trillion dollar company and they couldn't come up with a better thing to do than to stretch their own 10 year old design to fit a larger screen? And where are the innovative features? Pretty much everything it has many Androids had for years now. And now they're giving up their security with this CSAM crap. Thanks but no thanks. Might have to squeeze out another year out of my XS Max and if they don't get their stuff together next year just move to Android or something. As much as that pains me to say.
 

harvard69

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May 19, 2016
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We need some fresh blood with new ideas. someone like Steve to go to the mountain top and come back with a new product. Not just new Colors, Sizes, Speeds
 
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Blakesubo

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Jul 1, 2020
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This is a REALLY dumb poll…. It’s a silly question and simply here as click-bate to get some just as silly comments posted, so that they energize and get more people worked up. maybe try harder next time, or ask a question that is relevant or useful rather than just to drive traffic. 🙄
 

TiggrToo

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Aug 24, 2017
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Thinking that he would of stuck to the basic lol Yes. Steve was also sick at the time and not in his right mind lol
I’ll take “Revisionist history” for $1,000 please.

Jobs personally poached Tim Cook from Compaq at a time when working for Apple was not the best thing to put on one’s resume - and the company itself was near bankruptcy when Tim joined.

″[Cook] had the same vision I did,” Jobs told biographer Walter Issacson. “We could interact at a high strategic level, and I could just forget about a lot of things unless he came and pinged me.”

Jobs started grooming Cook for the role of CEO long before he became sick with cancer. Jobs and Cook spent a huge amount of time with Jobs mentoring him, teaching him and creating the next CEO from the moment Jobs received his initial diagnosis.

It’s obvious from your post that you don’t actually care about facts - or other peoples opinions. You asked a question and, so far, the poll shows a huge majority of folk in disagreement with you.

You therefore have now created a fantasy about how Tim Cook came to be at Apple in a failed attempt to bolster your belief that Tim Cook should be fired.

The fact that he’s now recognized as one of the most successful CEOs in history is neither here, nor there.

Trust me, Apple doesn’t care one fig about your opinion. Apple cares about the shareholders, and the shareholders are utterly delighted with Cooks performance. So he’s not going anywhere, your annoyance of such aside.
 

NameRequired

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Oct 24, 2020
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The 3GS brought video recording to the iPhone for the first time. Which for me was a major upgrade
Your statement kinda proves a point tho… it took that long for iPhone to take a video? I mean cmon, remember when you couldn’t even set a picture you took to the background?! 😂
 

turbineseaplane

macrumors P6
Mar 19, 2008
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Tim is great at making money

I'm just not convinced Apple, under his leadership, will create the next really great and innovative thing (which bums me out).

I'd like him to retire so we can try some new directions and ideology, etc.
 
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ocyrus

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Jun 22, 2007
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Even doe your being judgmental signs of your lower self. Tim is not running anything half the time as was stated he doesn’t know what’s going on within the product & design teams. The teams be fighting from within. It’s a mess. Tim has no interest in step by step product design. He’s a #’s guy. Selling & product design is not his thing. Steve Jobs was excited & could sell you a charger cord . Tim just is not. Steve also said many years ago that once you put money hungry people in charge of a company that’s when everything goes down hill.
Wait so, Tim isn't running anything, or he's messing everything up? Which is it?
 

Freeangel1

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The reality is that the advancement in innovation of new phone tech is slowing down. Similar to what has happened with computers the past decade.
Why do we have to wait until the iPhone 13, for things Android has had since 2 years ago??

Always on display
USB C instead of crappy expensive lighting cable
48mp camera
Bigger battery
smaller notch or NO notch
in glass fingerprint.
foldable phone.

Tim Cook Needs to GO! HE SUCKS as a CEO.
 
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pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
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Why do we have to wait until the iPhone 13, for things Android has had since 2 years ago??

Always on display
USB C instead of crappy expensive lighting cable
48mp camera
Bigger battery
smaller notch or NO notch
in glass fingerprint.

Tim Cook Needs to GO! HE SUCKS as a CEO.

Apple is selling 100 million iPhones in the next three months.

How many of these great Android phones will be sold in the next three months?
 

ggibson913

macrumors 65816
Sep 11, 2006
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Apple needs a “Visionary” person in its leadership position one who has a passion for technology & also has a backbone like Steve Jobs and is not afraid of saying No and calling people out. Steve Jobs in my opinion would of never released the current iPhone 13 Pro. It would of been much much better. Tim Cook is a logistic & a numbers guy. Not a leader that should be charged and not one that others inspire to be & look up to.
How much do you want the dude to do? This is just off the top of my head.

Apple Watch
HomePod
Apple TV Plus
Current Mac Monitor
Apple Fitness Plus
CarPlay
Air Tags
AirPods
Full screen iPhone with face ID
M1 Processor

As far as the s-pen, that has been around since the PDA era, it was Apple who eliminated it with the first iPhone.
 
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FlyBry

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I have not had any QC problems with Apple Products. I have iPhones, iPads, iPods, Mac minis, MacBook Airs and currently seven MacBook Pros. I probably take much better care of my electronic devices than most people. I'm also careful to research products before buying them.

Why would you put an iPad into a situation where there is the possibility of it bending?

If you don't like Apple products, don't buy them.
No QC problems here either. We have MBP's, MB Airs, iMacs, Watches, iPhones, Apple TV's.
A customer since 1984.

Now our Honda CR-V... that's a different story. Several issues in the first three years. Our Hyundai has far fewer (none) issues since new.
 

ArtOfWarfare

macrumors G3
Nov 26, 2007
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One of the most successful companies in the world makes boring products with small, incremental improvements every year. They have a reputation for quality, service and the idea that it just works. There are many customers that want new and better but most people just want something that works, is easy to figure out, has great QC and doesn't break.
They had a reputation for that. It's been eroding away because Apple's development processes are 15 years old - whereas most tech companies have learned how to seamlessly push updates on a daily basis without breaking anything, Apple still has a model of only pushing updates every few months. And when they do push those updates out, they suffer regressions because they don't have a comprehensive automated test suite (a key component for pushing out constant updates, but always useful to just not embarrass yourself... see the fact that people generally ask whether Apple OS updates are safe or not, because Apple has a long track record of needing to release several bug fixes before the new OS is actually free of regressions.)

It's easy to see that Tim Cook needs to go. It's hard to see who should replace him. I don't think Apple has any promising new leaders within the company... they probably should hire outside. Elon Musk would be a good choice, but I have no idea what Apple could possibly offer him... maybe there's some talented engineers at Apple that could be added to Neuralink?
 
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Abazigal

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Jul 18, 2011
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I agree. So Question who you think ran the Company better Tim or Steve?

Different people are needed at different points in a company history. Jobs was right for his era, but he would have been a disaster for the Cook era. Cook is amazing, and has been responsible for most of the achievements of Apple, but not the initial innovation and concept that Jobs provided. Cook has refined the culture and expanded it, and has done as fine a job as any CEO in American history, if not world business history.
He's Eisenhower, not Churchill.
 

Abazigal

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Jul 18, 2011
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Why do we have to wait until the iPhone 13, for things Android has had since 2 years ago??

Always on display
USB C instead of crappy expensive lighting cable
48mp camera
Bigger battery
smaller notch or NO notch
in glass fingerprint.
foldable phone.

Tim Cook Needs to GO! HE SUCKS as a CEO.

And I am willing to bet that every single one of those features comes with an asterisk at the end.

That’s really the difference between the iPhone and android phones. With the competition, there is just too much focus on specs and not enough on the end user experience.
 

roar08

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Apr 25, 2008
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Apple needs a “Visionary” person in its leadership position one who has a passion for technology & also has a backbone like Steve Jobs and is not afraid of saying No and calling people out. Steve Jobs in my opinion would of never released the current iPhone 13 Pro. It would of been much much better. Tim Cook is a logistic & a numbers guy. Not a leader that should be charged and not one that others inspire to be & look up to.

Excellent and well thought-out. Post links to your accomplishments in the consumer electronics market and your personal experience with C-suite corporate vision and leadership.
 

roar08

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Apr 25, 2008
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Thinking that he would of stuck to the basic lol Yes. Steve was also sick at the time and not in his right mind lol

Genuinely curious here -- why would you punctuate a statement about a person's declining health with "lol"?
 

Kung gu

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Oct 20, 2018
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The iPhone 12 and Pro does not bend at ALL. It's extremely durable. Last time Apple had ****** iPhone was iPhone 6.
 

Kung gu

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ARM-based chipset been around since 1985, Apple use hardware tweak based on their own requirement, just clever marketing that make M1 chipset look revolutionary.
Apple makes custom ARM cores. They don't use off-the-shelf ARM cores. That is hard work.

The M1 is clever design, right now there is NO ARM chip with same or better performance as the M1.
It's just not marketing.

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zakarhino

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Sep 13, 2014
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If your defense of Cook is to immediately start talking about numbers then you've already missed the point. The vision of early computer pioneers such as Jobs are the ones to credit for Apple's success today. Cook has simply been riding that wave for over a decade now. Cook's magical idea to change up Apple's revenue structure is to bolster their services division by copying the tried and tested consumer platforms like Netflix or Spotify... big deal.

Apple has a history of making electronic computation a thing for normal people -- giving normal people the ability to become creators and better workers. In essence, they shifted the power structure of computing by making it something ordinary people could harness. They haven't fundamentally improved upon that mission since the introduction of the iPhone. They have plenty of opportunities to radically change the software world but they haven't done so, instead they play it safe by simply introducing new APIs for sandboxes apps every year rather than shaking up the sandboxed apps paradigm in any meaningful way. They haven't even bothered to innovate on their cloud services enough to make a unique privacy-first tech stack, instead their approach is practically the same as Google's: "privacy means we get all your data and you just have to put blind trust in us."

Apple haven't taken an innovative risk in years. That's a fact. They haven't created anything paradigm shifting in years. That's another fact. I think the closest product is the Apple Watch making relatively detailed health tracking accessible for a lot of people. Outside of that, stuff like M1 isn't innovation at all since it's merely changing the underlying hardware for an otherwise identical technological paradigm. People are not fundamentally using their computers differently with Intel vs. Apple Silicon. Maybe they will change this pattern with AR goggles but if we're being realistic their approach for that will likely just be "iOS and iOS apps but in AR" rather than inventing a new digital paradigm of work.

What would be Jobs' take on cloud computing with everything we know now? Would he be content with just iCloud Drive, iWork Cloud, and simple email services?

What would be Jobs' take on mobile photography with everything we know now?

What would be Jobs' approach to providing unique tools to the next generation of internet-first creators? Would he call it a day at Logic Pro X and Final Cut? I doubt it. What sort of tools would he create? Would he try to empower creators with rival platforms to things like YouTube rather than just copying the Netflix-like power structure Cook has done?

What would Jobs do to bridge the gap between powerful coding workflows and the no-code consumer market? Would he call it a day at the Shortcuts app? Would he be content with the same files + apps computing paradigm we've had since the introduction of consumer computers?
 
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