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So, come WWDC when it becomes clear Apple has been working on this for years without running to the media about it what will the MR community reaction be?

I’d love to circle back here to see what people were saying at the time…
Depends if it pays off. They can work on it all they like, the only thing that matters is if the thing they ship to the public is actually good.
 
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...Apple knows the lame reputation Siri has and they have to come out with something big in AI.

That's just it - as MacDailyNews (MDN) observed today, Tim Cook let Siri rot for 10+ years! Only now, that they hard up for *the next best thing* (according to an analyst, Apple's top revenue line hasn't increased in 6 financial quarters now), they decided to jump on the AI bandwagon by dropping that abbreviation at every opportunity - mostly to keep shareholders happy, I think.

I used to defend Tim Cook - and I do still think that for the size of company that Apple has become, he's a far better CEO choice than Steve Jobs would have been - but he's got no vision at all. Pun intended. If Steve Jobs were alive, the Vision Pro would have never seen the light of day. Sure, it's a technological marvel, but utterly ridiculous as a mass market product. I'm sure Steve Jobs rolled over in his grave when he saw that Tim Cook ok'ed these two pound ski goggles with that chorded battery pack they so carefully hide in every Vision Pro advertisement.

Who knows: maybe Tim Cook was flailing about with the car project too. It smells of a 'me too' kind of thing someone with no vision would go for. (But I actually believe Apple never planned on producing a car - rather, they meant to extend the CarPlay platform to include self driving capability. Maybe they came to the conclusion that was just too hard or that the more features they included into CarPlay, the more the car manufacturers (e.g. GM) would balk at CarPlay taking over and leave.
 
Anyone know what AI TOPS performance these Ax and Mx chips tend to have compared to intel?

I know a lot of intel/AMD stuff has been siting around 10 TOPS and the good stuff is moving towards around 30-50 TOPS soon.

I like most of my hardware right now (2021 16" M1 pro and iphone 13 mini), but figure rather than waiting for better cpu performance in the future it might be smartest to see when the biggest ai tops improvements come.
 
Apple has been buying and investing in AI start ups ever since the former Google Chief of AI left Google for Apple. His teams have many pots at Apple and have been developing a very large patent portfolio post purchases ever since.
Impressively, you managed to make me even more negative on the chance this will work out at all by saying that Google's Chief of AI was involved with it.


It's very easy to count all of Tim Cook's successes on one hand:

1. M-series Macs
2. Maybe Apple Watch? It's not as big a success as the iPad or the Mac... it could be better and more successful... but it's ok.
3. Maybe Apple TV+? There's a few good shows on it... but my understanding is the financials aren't working out well, and there's some sign of Apple buckling under pressure from China.

It should be noted that the first two were both started under Steve Jobs.

Everything else that has occurred under Tim Cook was a total failure. Apple used to have the benefit of the doubt that things would work out. They don't have that anymore. They're on their way to having a reputation as poor as Google's. See killedbygoogle.com if you have a remotely positive view of products that Google announces.
 
I hope there will be a way to disable it in any and all *OS'. I want no part of AI in anything I do.
No it is the future, so Apple will not let you disable it for your own good. Disabling it, sets a bad example. In other news, Apple just inked a deal with the newly formed CIA project called SkyNet.
 
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Ten years ago:
”he said that the company was spending a "tremendous amount of time and effort" on autonomous electric vehicle development “

Today:
“he said that the company was spending a "tremendous amount of time and effort" on AI,”
I don't believe he (or Apple) ever said anything about electric vehicles or autonomous driving. Some, including myself, doubt Apple ever even planned an actual EV. I think they were trying to expand on CarPlay by adding autonomous driving features that car manufacturers could buy/license and then enable for a particular car (i.e. if the customer buys that feature). Maybe Apple finally realized that none of the car manufacturers were interested in ceding Apple the level of access/control need to do actual driving :)
 
Please don't put lipstick on Siri and claim it is breakthrough AI...

One thing Apple could do with AI is to make shortcuts easy and intuitive to use.

Like if I'm going home from work, why can't the phone predict that I'm going home, and prompt me if I would like to run a "coming home at evening time" routine? And if I do want to run it, then run shortcuts or other backend actions for various disparate things like setting the right temp on the thermostat, disarming the alarm system when I am a couple min away, turning on the smart lights, running the water heater's recirculation so water is warm at the shower, etc? I have to do these things manually and some of the apps don't have any plugins for Apple's shortcuts infrastructure. So I can't set a routine to automatically everything I want to do anyways.

It would be nice for the phone and iOS apps to be like a brain and nervous system, where iOS itself can speak to Apps and get them to trigger certain functions. Right now each App is like its own little island, its own little ecosystem, but they don't really come together as a community.

Like for example, if the thermostat has been off all day and now it's evening time and I set it to come on, mightn't it also be true that maybe I'd like the water heater to heat and recirculate water too and for smart lights to come on? There's no central iOS intelligence autonomously making such inferences or decisions. The human body is made up of disparate systems like the nervous and cardivascular systems... but they all work together autonomously as a cohesive whole. We don't have to "think" to breathe or for the heart to pump blood or for the liver, lungs, etc to do what they are designed to do. They just do it, autonomously.

Why can't iOS be similar when it comes to automation? Each app has certain capabilities, but many times they require manual user intervention, and sometimes we just want things to be automated. Just a thought of mine.
 
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Do you even know how AI works?
Unclear where you are going with this but - yeah, I'd like to think that I'm pretty informed on the subject.

The "AI" is not one monolithic thing. Also - there are at this point bajillion different models and approaches (both in software and hardware) that enable either LLM or SLM implementations in various ways and for specific targeted purposes.

I do not believe that anyone really has a "moat" in AI that will stand long-term. There is a ton of open source work in the area. The question will be though, how do you integrate AI functionality into various user workflows, so it is a seamless thing that users just use and their experience is improved? Do they even need to know that they use AI?

So I really don't think it is difficult to imagine that Apple could create a great experience that leveraged on-device AI that leveraged on-phone hardware and software. Will they? I guess that is the question. But to say that they are "late" and do not have a chance is IMO very wrong.
 
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I completely understand sharing a frustrating experience or a bug with a product you're regularly using. But before we've even seen it or heard details about it? Call out Apple when they screw up, but if someone's going to be so negative about something they haven't even seen, it makes me wonder why they're still using an iPhone. Unless they just have an issue with AI in general, which I understand as well. But let's cool it with the Siri comparisons.
I was right with you right up until the last line. What is the problem with Siri comparisons when discussing apple’s next ventures into AI? Siri is AI, albeit a relatively limited one when compared to what’s available today…
 
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I hope they will make it so it can be disabled, I only have a Mac mini and have never used Siri, and got no need for AI.
Must have a pretty simple job then or are just being stubborn to use it. The new generation of workers will be masters of using AI and if we don’t adopt it we will be left behind.
 
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I completely understand sharing a frustrating experience or a bug with a product you're regularly using. But before we've even seen it or heard details about it? Call out Apple when they screw up, but if someone's going to be so negative about something they haven't even seen, it makes me wonder why they're still using an iPhone. Unless they just have an issue with AI in general, which I understand as well. But let's cool it with the Siri comparisons.
They are trolls or just pessimistic people in general. It’s hard coded into their brain. They can’t help themselves but complain because it’s all they know how to talk. They have never had productive conversations. Their lives are filled with resentment towards others because they just do not understand. They live in a negative self imaged world of fantasy and think everyone else thinks like them too.
 
Depends if it pays off. They can work on it all they like, the only thing that matters is if the thing they ship to the public is actually good.
Exactly as it should be.

Personally I’m not interested in most of what’s being touted as “AI” because it’s not useful to me.

I think Apple is going to be taking a different approach to the “why” of “AI” that will focus more on tasks regular people do. I’m interested in what they have spent this long cooking up, though it may be another piece of engineering I respect but have to personal interest in using 🤷‍♂️
 
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