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What he means to say is that when a billionare talks down to you, you're supposed to look down at your feet and say "Yes sir! I will buy my mother an iPhone!"
Standing up for yourself? Who do you think you are? A billionare? No.
How is throwing a tantrum and smashing a phone standing up for oneself?
 
How is throwing a tantrum and smashing a phone standing up for oneself?
Women are human beigns; what if his mother LIKES her Android phone? I've known women that like Android and refuse to buy Apple products. It's disrespectful to treat women, especially another person's mother, like they can't think for themselves and men should decide for them what devices they should use. If he said "Ask her if there's a third party app, like Signal or something, that she could use.", that would be fine.
 
lol, no because I wouldn't want to keep dealing with a company that has so little respect for its customers. And yes, I'm not above showing my displeasure directly. When getting disrespected so visibly, I can't imagine any other way without looking like a total wimp.
What? Refuting his position with a counterargument based on facts and persuasive reasoning not a manly enough option for you? Honestly, if anything Tim Cook says about a phone makes you feel you have been disrespected so vehemently maybe your skin is too thin to be taken out in public.
 
Women are human beigns; what if his mother LIKES her Android phone? I've known women that like Android and refuse to buy Apple products. It's disrespectful to treat women, especially another person's mother, like they can't think for themselves and men should decide for them what devices they should use. If he said "Ask her if there's a third party app, like Signal or something, that she could use.", that would be fine.
Spoken like someone that would force their mother to use an outdated android phone out of spite.
 
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What? Refuting his position with a counterargument based on facts and persuasive reasoning not a manly enough option for you? Honestly, if anything Tim Cook says about a phone makes you feel you have been disrespected so vehemently maybe your skin is too thin to be taken out in public.
The man purchased a product from Tim's company, and later realized Tim made it intentionally hard for him to communicate with his mother, and Tim's response is to treat his mother like a child and tell her to use a different device, just to enrich Tim? If a customer comes to you with a legit problem, you should actually address it. Of course, Tim doesn't want to address it because he made the experience bad on purpose.
 
The man purchased a product from Tim's company, and later realized Tim made it intentionally hard for him to communicate with his mother, and Tim's response is to treat his mother like a child and tell her to use a different device, just to enrich Tim? If a customer comes to you with a legit problem, you should actually address it. Of course, Tim doesn't want to address it because the made the experience bad on purpose.

So?
 
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It's not illegal to burn bridges and treat your customers badly. Sure.
Look, I understand. If you don't love your mothers enough to buy them an iPhone, just come out and say it. No reason to feign outrage over Tim's comments because they trigger unrelenting waves of guilt so strong that you can only overcome them by acting out in a display of uncontrolled violence towards a phone.

FYI: Smashing a phone you already paid for is not burning bridges.
 
Look, I understand. If you don't love your mothers enough to buy them an iPhone, just come out and say it. No reason to feign outrage over Tim's comments because they trigger unrelenting waves of guilt so strong that you can only overcome them by acting out in a display of uncontrolled violence towards a phone.

FYI: Smashing a phone you already paid for is not burning bridges.
Women aren't objects, you can talk to them and ask them what they want, and if they say they want one thing or another, you should respect them as fellow human beigns who can think and decide for themselves.
 
So which is it? Are you just too cheap or don't love you mother enough to buy her an iPhone?
Serious answer to a non-serious question, but the phones I've gotten her are usually ~$650-400, so within iPhone territory. She hates Apple & Google, so I just get her the phone/os Edward Snowden recommends, which is whatever can run GrapheneOS, which at the moment is just de-googled Pixels.
 
Serious answer to a non-serious question, but the phones I've gotten her are usually ~$650-400, so within iPhone territory. She hates Apple & Google, so I just get her the phone/os Edward Snowden recommends, which is whatever can run GrapheneOS, which at the moment is just de-googled Pixels.
Nobody believes any of that. Seriously, if you just took a break. Went upstairs. Hugged her. Told her that you loved her and you ordered her the new iPhone 14, she may even raise your allowance enough so you can pay for it.
 
What? Refuting his position with a counterargument based on facts and persuasive reasoning not a manly enough option for you? Honestly, if anything Tim Cook says about a phone makes you feel you have been disrespected so vehemently maybe your skin is too thin to be taken out in public.
if it were one on one where I could actually have a discussion with him, yes, I'd do that, but that's not the situation, not even close. As for my skin, I'd probably never be near him anyway, I really don't like anything about him, and that probably colors my reaction.
 
FYI: Smashing a phone you already paid for is not burning bridges.
I actually didn't say I'd smash it. :). Just that I would stomp on it -- I doubt that would smash it unless it's weaker than I think! I do have a good case on it. That's why I said I'd brick it later, just to make sure nobody got my info. And yes, my mother has an android phone, and no, I'm not going to tell her to get an iPhone. If she asked, I'd tell her the plusses and minuses but I wouldn't tell her what to get.

As for the money, that means even less.
 
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lol, no because I wouldn't want to keep dealing with a company that has so little respect for its customers. And yes, I'm not above showing my displeasure directly. When getting disrespected so visibly, I can't imagine any other way without looking like a total wimp.
Great that there is competition then, if you don’t want to deal with apple.
 
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Serious answer to a non-serious question, but the phones I've gotten her are usually ~$650-400, so within iPhone territory. She hates Apple & Google, so I just get her the phone/os Edward Snowden recommends, which is whatever can run GrapheneOS, which at the moment is just de-googled Pixels.

Wow your mother sounds hard core. Is she a CIA field agent? How cool is she.
 
non-sequitur:

It is absolutely a non-sequitur to argue that just because few/many telcos have adopted RCS, or to use different apps, that it is not good to go to. It's not the argument. The argument is one of using it because it is there and it solves the problem of better communication between iMessage and SMS vendors.

It'd be like no one should adopt USB 4.0 just because few motherboards have it. No one should use HTTPS because only half the websites of the world use it. No ... SMS is old, RCS is new, use it where it's available.
 
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Apple controls what is supported in their own apps. That is the entire point of this debate. Carrier support is irrelevant.
Carrier says phone has to support SMS/MMS, phone supports SMS/MMS. I don’t know what to tell ya, that’s just reality.

Carrier says phone has to support RCS, phone would support RCS. Carrier will NEVER say that though ;)
 
I already use basically every messaging app on the market because I don’t want to be a salesman for anything. I want Apple to stop ****ing around and improve their interplatform messaging standard so that I can ditch some of these apps.
Imagine that, today, there was a way to send messages from an iPhone to Android through the carrier such that it effectively looks like iMessage. Folks using WhatsApp are going to continue using WhatsApp because going through the carrier STILL costs “per messsage” charges depending on where it’s going. So, even if what you wanted existed, you’d still not be ditching those apps if you still wanted to communicate with those people.
 
Tim's "let them eat cake" moment, not his finest. He comes across as a completely disconnected near billionaire. This is what the elites are like, they know best, they will decide FOR you.
They don’t choose for me. I choose to use nothing from Google (except YouTube). I choose to have nothing to do with RCS. I choose Apple and support Dark Tim Apple when he says eff off and buy an iPhone. :)
 
I don’t think cross platform should include dumb phones… their solution is SMS/MMS. I’m only speaking in terms of blue vs green bubbles controversy that’s mostly a USA problem. Although RCS is ineffective in your point of view, I think it’s the best solution going forward.
Sure, if the lowest common denominator is SMS/MMS, then we’re in agreement. Anyone that wants different just downloads a free app and uses it. (Like those on Android that downloads and uses Google Messages, Google, like Line, could release their RCS app for iOS)

RCS had its time, it failed and is now just another pet project of Google’s that they’ll likely get bored with in a few years and abandons for their next messaging software attempt. What succeeds and will grab worldwide attention will be whatever the GSMA decides will be the next step for carriers.
 
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