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Tim Cook Shoots Down Idea of iOS Adopting RCS Messages: 'Buy Your Mom an iPhone'
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It trickles down to it's consumer base too. Just read some of the comments in this thread and you'll see a very concerning amount of cheerleading for a COMPANY."Buy your mom an iPhone"
Wow, maybe his mom has an opinion of her own about which phone she wants. Apple is so arrogant sometimes, and it clearly starts at the top
In that case, for smartphone users, including ALL smartphone users all over the world, don’t have this as a want. It makes sense that carriers around the world aren’t putting effort into something that would only benefit users in one country.
That isn't down to product quality though that's due to large parts of the world being priced out of Apples ecosystem. People don't necessarily choose Android it is what they can afford.
With that said Apple know that if they give up the lock in they would have to truly compete in a way that they often don't now.
RCS as Google has implemented it in Google RCS is not the same RCS as proposed by the GSMA. Google can’t even refer to their solution as just “RCS” it ALWAYS has to have Google before it likely due to legal reasons… the GSMA doesn’t want what Google is doing to be confused with the RCS they grave up on years ago.
If anyone questions you about Google’s RCS, just point them to the GSMA’s RCS pages where you won’t see any new RCS stories posted for YEARS.
WhatsApp is huge because they were in early, a good two years before even iMessage. It was central to folks around the world saving money on SMS fees.
It wasn’t created to provide iMessage features to chats between Android and iOS because iMessage didn’t even exist at the time!
non-sequitur:
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
The reporter:
The reporter mentioned that he and his mother find it difficult to send photos and videos to each other. Providing solutions for “sending photos and videos to each other” is not a non-sequitur, it follows directly from the reporter’s query.
Reporter: Why doesn’t Apple support RCS?
Cook: I don’t hear a large number of our users wanting this.
Reporter: But, I find it difficult to send photos and videos to my mother, and she to me!
Cook: Buy her an iPhone.
Me: Try googling “how to send photos and videos from iPhone to Android”.
The internet is quite literally a video and image sharing POWERHOUSE. Consciously limiting oneself to a texting app… when asking a question in an open tech based forum… when the core of the question becomes “sharing images and videos”… in an effort to provide a rationale for RCS?🤔 Literally everything is better at sharing images and videos than RCS.
I’m supposing the reporter felt that follow up was a better “go to” than “But I find it difficult to know if my mother is typing a response” or “I find it difficult to know when my mother has read the message I sent her” or “In the group chat… with just me and my mother… ahhhh, so, no, not that one”
Apple will bend over backwards to stay in the EU, nice FUD. It‘s just a matter of the EU getting their sh*t together for once, crafting proper requirements instead of being tech-illiterate haven and blundering any potential shake-up.
He’d probably be hopping mad and go storming out of his office to… wait, ole Tim Cook already sees most of the world using WhatsApp and other messaging tools such that iMessage is not even in the top 5 in the world. That’s a LOT of iPhone users with non-iMessage group chats on those other messaging apps in order to be more inclusive towards Android friends (and save on texting fees).
So, current knowledge indicates that Apple wouldn’t care. However, would Google do it? I mean, once they take time out of their busy schedule to enable RCS in their Google Messages app for iOS, why would Apple need to do anything? The Google RCS (not to be confused with actual RCS) solution will be available on iOS! But Google would never do it
Maybe other platforms should use the "green bubble" thing themselves. See how much Apple likes it. Maybe poop brown?
Also, if Apple is so focused on its own proprietary things, why does it support Thread in HomeKit?
Also, if Apple is so focused on its own proprietary things, why does it support Thread in HomeKit?
In a way, this “problem” in the US will fix itself in about (looks at watch) say, 50-60 years? 😏
Which is what the entire non-US part of the world finds to be a fairly simple task to perform.
Google tried this back before Apple Maps… and effectively created competition on Apple devices where there was none. Before, every iOS user that wanted to know where they were, was pinging a Google server. Now, billions every day are pinging an Apple server and Google’s out of the loop.
That was a cosmically bad bet on Google’s part (for their people tracking ambitions) and likely not one they’ll make again.
I’m sure you meant most Android-iPhone convos {in the US} just use SMS. Because, including the ENTIRE world, most of those convos right now, at this moment are via WhatsApp.
Because hardly anybody cares about HomeKit and most of their home device lineup (HomePod/Apple TV) if they went completely proprietary nobody would develop devices to support HomeKit and they would completely lose this market to Google and Amazon.
I’m imagining, like most of us here, the response that FIRST popped to his mind was:
“You have difficulty sharing images and videos with your mother? Your mother who, VERY LIKELY is on Facebook? Has she blocked your account? Is she forcing you to text her because she really doesn’t care to see 432nd video of a thing you’ve done 431 times before?”
Images in my experience are fine. They’re lo-res, I wouldn’t use them for printing out a billboard, but I can clearly tell the person is happy they’ve graduated, or can see how big the cast is, or enjoy the moment just after they’ve blown out the last candle on the cake quite clearly.
Yes, you have described the problem perfectly. If carriers supported it (which they have no interest in doing so and would rather Google handle the larger data sizes of RCS on THEIR network), just like SMS/MMS, then the messages would get to an iPhone and Apple would have to deal with it. Before the iPhone supported MMS, those messages would get to the phone, the phone just couldn’t display them. But, because the carrier supported MMS, that meant that Apple phones would be disadvantaged without support for that carrier feature, so it was added.
No carrier support, no feature.
They didn’t “team up” for RCS. T-mobile, Verizon, and AT&T “teamed up” for the CCMI (Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative) in order to implement actual RCS. That failed about two years ago. What Google is doing is called “Google RCS” which is not even something that the GSMA considers RCS.
To what? Lobby carriers around the world to support something that is of zero benefit to them AND to anyone outside the US? The role is, and always will be, with the carriers. And, if they don’t ever see a need to do it, they won’t.
I find it interesting that they pushed out the implementation date of their original proposal to a year out from passage. Just like other EU rules have pushed companies out of business in the EU, this may be another. We should have a clearer picture 6 months out from the expected delivery date as companies start to communicate that they will not be able to fulfill the requirements.
Carriers don't support Slack either. But it doesn't matter because it's just a protocol (or an app if you like) like RCS. You have no idea what you're talking about. How much "support" of iMessage or FaceTime do you think carriers have?
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To be clear, RCS didn’t find a way as, at this point, it’s effectively nothing (though the rosy predictions on the GSMA website thought it would replace SMS/MMS including in dumb phones). Apple didn’t put a layer on SMS/MMS, they check to see if the other user is an iPhone user and have iMessage enabled and then ignore SMS/MMS. iMessage does indeed replace the carrier network connection between devices when enabled.
That’s why any cross-platform solution which must include dumb phones, will have to be done at the carrier and that’s the only way SMS/MMS gets supplanted. For “smartphone only” solutions, there are apps for that.
This trope that older women are technologically impaired and must rely on their tech literate kids for all tech needs (especially their sons) is absolutely sexist.
I hardly ever see dads treated this way. So easy your mom can use it is a thing vs so easy your parents can use it.
Yeah, ALL of it, cheerleading for one company or another. There hasn’t been a single post that’s touting their own cross platform messaging solution… wait, that would still be that person just cheerleading their own company. Hm.