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erayser

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That's what offscreen benchmarks are for. All devices render to the same resolution. Can you guess how these turn out with the Note 8 vs the iPhone 7+. Can you guess how those turn out?

iPhone 7 (On screen figures on the left, Offscreen to the right)

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Note 8

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That's right. The Note is slower there too.
In my posts, I'm not siding either phone. I use both brands and happy with both. I meant it would be interesting and fun to watch the same tests on the videos... and it doesn't matter to me which one comes on top... but what you posted is still interesting to me. I guess what I'm saying is speed tests and benchmarks are not important to me... just fun... just like on my gaming rigs. It doesn't matter if I have lower benchmarks on my rig than others... I still have fun. if I'm satisfied with performance in my gaming, productivity, and overall experience... that's all that matters to me.
 
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Feenician

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In my posts, I'm not siding either phone. I use both brands and happy with both. I meant it would be interesting and fun to watch the same tests on the videos... and it doesn't matter to me which one comes on top... but what you posted is still interesting to me. I guess what I'm saying is speed tests and benchmarks are not important to me... just fun... just like on my gaming rigs. It doesn't matter if I have lower benchmarks on my rig than others... I still have fun. if I'm satisfied with performance in my gaming, productivity, and overall experience... that's all that matters to me.

Fair enough. A good attitude to have.
 
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Radon87000

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That's what offscreen benchmarks are for. All devices render to the same resolution. Can you guess how these turn out with the Note 8 vs the iPhone 7+. Can you guess how those turn out?

iPhone 7 (On screen figures on the left, Offscreen to the right)

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Note 8

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That's right. The Note is slower there too.
And at the end of the day a Note still does more than an iPhone after all those benchmarks you posted. You can't even attach a basic attachment without uploading it on iCloud on an iPhone. What's the use of all that power?
 
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powerslave65

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The Apple ecosystem, the status and look of the hardware and also the brand mythology are big reasons why it continues to be the most valuable company in the world. At the same time no one can refute Samsung's chip and component manufacturing prowess. Two different strengths that seem to get harder to consider an advantage as these companies grow. In the end they both have to shore up there weaknesses to gain market share. As far as time to go to Samsung, even if you stay with Apple you already are with Samsung in many ways you just can't see. Instead of a boxing match it's more of a partnership than most folks are willing to admit. I just prefer Apple right now.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Excellent post.

For the sake of stilling those with a sensitive love for one side, I'd add that some points in one's workflow may be faster on either system if one has an especially well established way of doing things on that particular system.


Yea, there are things about iOS that I really like. Force Touch on previewing photos and web links without opening them is very nice. It's even more convenient that using S-Pen's air view, cause Force Touch works system wide(mostly).

And Encryption backup on iTunes is the absolute best. Sure Helium, Titanium, and etc on Android are options, but it's not close to being as reliable, especially when restoring to a differ model device.


It is very impressive the way you put it.
The impression I get with unhappy switchers is

• getting used to android
• the apps
• the unlock
• lack of sync

1/ is just give it time ....but...

Would be interered in your view on the other 3
Also are you Note 8 or S8/S8+
thanks

I just switched from the S8+ to the Note 8 as my main device.

Getting used to Android ..... I can understand when people say that, up to a certain point. But some people just refuse to adjust. And IMO, it's really not a big adjustment.

The apps ..... I see almost no differences in 99% of the cross platform apps I used. Apple does have more exclusive apps though, especially education and medical apps. But I personally never came across an app that I had to have on me at all times that wasn't cross platform.

But I will admit, those that invested a lot of $$$$ over the years on apps, it's a hard pill to swallow paying again on a differ platform. But that goes both ways.

The unlock .... You mean the finger sensor?

Lack of Sync ... Restoring App data along with log-in info from using iTunes encrypted backup, that's the only thing syncing on iOS has over Android.

I can be on my desktop, then on my laptop, and go to my tablet, then go on my phone. All my Chrome tabs, history, and saved log-in info are synced. Cloud accounts like Google Drive, One Drive, DropBox, synced, contacts, calendar, photos, and etc. I use Enpass for my password manager on every device. Quickbooks also. Video and Music services, synced. My text messages and messenger services(like Whatsapp) synced. What else do I need to sync? My whole life is synced. LOL

There's so much syncing going on, that I have to manually adjust one of my Google accounts and Samsung account not to restore everything. :eek:

Anyone that complains about syncing options is just too lazy to transition beyond iCloud.

There was a time on Android when restoring app folders, icon/folder placement, and widget placement was non existent, and was a huge annoyance. But that's been resolved for years now.

Having your iPhone Calls and iMessages connected to your Mac, and all your other iOS devices. That's more of integration, not syncing. Apple wins at that. Sure they are alternative apps on Android like Samsung SideSync and AirDroid which work well. But it's just not as fluid as the integration with iCloud.

Now that I think about syncing ... I pretty much understand why Apple refuses to allow users to choose default apps. iCloud syncing would not seem so seamless and simple if users default app usage varied at a large spectrum. You can only have a one size fits all ecosystem if you force users to do things your way.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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In my posts, I'm not siding either phone. I use both brands and happy with both. I meant it would be interesting and fun to watch the same tests on the videos... and it doesn't matter to me which one comes on top... but what you posted is still interesting to me. I guess what I'm saying is speed tests and benchmarks are not important to me... just fun... just like on my gaming rigs. It doesn't matter if I have lower benchmarks on my rig than others... I still have fun. if I'm satisfied with performance in my gaming, productivity, and overall experience... that's all that matters to me.


I agree, it's like the PC master race vs console gamers argument. Both has it's pros and cons, but once it's game on, it's the experience that really counts.
 
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Radon87000

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I thought you had an iPhone? How come you don't know how to use it? What you said isn't true.
When you tap on attach it takes you to the icloud menu. You cant attach documents or files on your phone directly from local storage without first uploading them into iCloud.
 

erayser

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I agree, it's like the PC master race vs console gamers argument. Both has it's pros and cons, but once it's game on, it's the experience that really counts.
BTW... We also have a PS4 and a Xbox One in our house (mainly for exclusives). Fan of tech... doesn't matter what brand.;)
 
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Feenician

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When you tap on attach it takes you to the icloud menu. You cant attach documents or files on your phone directly from local storage without first uploading them into iCloud.

lol Mr I'm an Android Power User can't work out how to download one of the hundreds (quite literally hundreds) of file management apps on the store :rolleyes: No, it's literally impossible to attach arbitrary files, except for all the time the App Store existed when it wasn't and was actually trivial grandma level stuff.
 

Radon87000

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lol Mr I'm an Android Power User can't work out how to download one of the hundreds (quite literally hundreds) of file management apps on the store :rolleyes: No, it's literally impossible to attach arbitrary files, except for all the time the App Store existed when it wasn't and was actually trivial grandma level stuff.
What file management? What are you talking about? I wrote a mail in outlook,tapped on attach and it comes up with options to retrieve files from Box,Google Drive,iCloud etc. You cannot attach multiple documents to an email from your phone's local storage without uploading it first.



https://www.imore.com/how-add-email-attachments-mail-iphone-and-ipad
Show me a screenshot of you attaching any file from local storage apart from photos
 

deany

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Yea, there are things about iOS that I really like. Force Touch on previewing photos and web links without opening them is very nice. It's even more convenient that using S-Pen's air view, cause Force Touch works system wide(mostly).

And Encryption backup on iTunes is the absolute best. Sure Helium, Titanium, and etc on Android are options, but it's not close to being as reliable, especially when restoring to a differ model device.




I just switched from the S8+ to the Note 8 as my main device.

Getting used to Android ..... I can understand when people say that, up to a certain point. But some people just refuse to adjust. And IMO, it's really not a big adjustment.

The apps ..... I see almost no differences in 99% of the cross platform apps I used. Apple does have more exclusive apps though, especially education and medical apps. But I personally never came across an app that I had to have on me at all times that wasn't cross platform.

But I will admit, those that invested a lot of $$$$ over the years on apps, it's a hard pill to swallow paying again on a differ platform. But that goes both ways.

The unlock .... You mean the finger sensor?

Lack of Sync ... Restoring App data along with log-in info from using iTunes encrypted backup, that's the only thing syncing on iOS has over Android.

I can be on my desktop, then on my laptop, and go to my tablet, then go on my phone. All my Chrome tabs, history, and saved log-in info are synced. Cloud accounts like Google Drive, One Drive, DropBox, synced, contacts, calendar, photos, and etc. I use Enpass for my password manager on every device. Quickbooks also. Video and Music services, synced. My text messages and messenger services(like Whatsapp) synced. What else do I need to sync? My whole life is synced. LOL

There's so much syncing going on, that I have to manually adjust one of my Google accounts and Samsung account not to restore everything. :eek:

Anyone that complains about syncing options is just too lazy to transition beyond iCloud.

There was a time on Android when restoring app folders, icon/folder placement, and widget placement was non existent, and was a huge annoyance. But that's been resolved for years now.

Having your iPhone Calls and iMessages connected to your Mac, and all your other iOS devices. That's more of integration, not syncing. Apple wins at that. Sure they are alternative apps on Android like Samsung SideSync and AirDroid which work well. But it's just not as fluid as the integration with iCloud.

Now that I think about syncing ... I pretty much understand why Apple refuses to allow users to choose default apps. iCloud syncing would not seem so seamless and simple if users default app usage varied at a large spectrum. You can only have a one size fits all ecosystem if you force users to do things your way.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write your helpful post.
Appreciate it.

The unlock, I think these are the unlock options-
Face
Iris
Fingerprint
Bixby voice

I think there maybe one more!....

Is it a case of finding the most reliable, and as you said in previous post using this when appropriate.
I've read some folk not entirely happy with the unlock reliability.
Do you find unlock sleemless, the majority of the time? which do you use the most?
thanks
 

Zaft

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What file management? What are you talking about? I wrote a mail in outlook,tapped on attach and it comes up with options to retrieve files from Box,Google Drive,iCloud etc. You cannot attach multiple documents to an email from your phone's local storage without uploading it first.



https://www.imore.com/how-add-email-attachments-mail-iphone-and-ipad
Show me a screenshot of you attaching any file from local storage apart from photos
Wth IOS 11 files app thats now possible I believe.
 

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OP - I’ve just made the switch too. It will take a bit of getting used to but I recommend the following apps.
1. MySMS - receive and send SMS on you Mac/iPad.
2. Samsung SideSync. Recieve all your phone notifications on your Mac/PC

I've used both of these apps and they're great!
 
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Feenician

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What file management? What are you talking about? I wrote a mail in outlook,tapped on attach and it comes up with options to retrieve files from Box,Google Drive,iCloud etc. You cannot attach multiple documents to an email from your phone's local storage without uploading it first.


Show me a screenshot of you attaching any file from local storage apart from photos

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Feenician

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Thanks. Looks like they added it to the stock Mail app with iOS 11. However still doesn't work with Microsoft Outlook which is what I use.

That one’s on Microsoft. I presume they will integrate OneDrive with Files and do away with their special flower file manager. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.

Actually, thinking about it, even just implementing drag and drop in outlook fixes it to some extent, on the ipad at least.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write your helpful post.
Appreciate it.

The unlock, I think these are the unlock options-
Face
Iris
Fingerprint
Bixby voice

I think there maybe one more!....

Is it a case of finding the most reliable, and as you said in previous post using this when appropriate.
I've read some folk not entirely happy with the unlock reliability.
Do you find unlock sleemless, the majority of the time? which do you use the most?
thanks

Fingerprint is 98% success rate for me, even with one handed use. Of course that varies with differ people.

Iris scanner is pretty much 100% success rate, with the exception of direct bright sunlight or wearing dark shades.

Face recognition is a struggle for me. It's just too slow for my liking or doesn't seem to work. So I never use it.

Bixby Voice with password unlock is obviously the slowest, but it works very well as long as you make your voice password an easy to understand phrase. IMO, it's really meant for a hand free experience, like having your phone on a car dock. But it's more secure than the easy to fool voice recognition.

Some users have the opposite experience than I do. The Face recognition works great for them, but Iris scanner doesn't.
 
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Fingerprint is 98% success rate for me, even with one handed use. Of course that varies with differ people.

Iris scanner is pretty much 100% success rate, with the exception of direct bright sunlight or wearing dark shades.

Face recognition is a struggle for me. It's just too slow for my liking or doesn't seem to work. So I never use it.

Bixby Voice with password unlock is obviously the slowest, but it works very well as long as you make your voice password an easy to understand phrase. IMO, it's really meant for a hand free experience, like having your phone on a car dock. But it's more secure than the easy to fool voice recognition.

Some users have the opposite experience than I do. The Face recognition works great for them, but Iris scanner doesn't.

Okay thanks!, very helpful, appreciate it.
 
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Feenician

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I have no clue what you're saying

Every year. “This is the year that Android/Samsung doesn’t lag! It’s just as smooth as iPhone” but, come the next year, “last year was horrible but it’s totally fixed now”. Every year since Project Butter and even before. Protip: it’s not.
 

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Every year. “This is the year that Android/Samsung doesn’t lag! It’s just as smooth as iPhone” but, come the next year, “last year was horrible but it’s totally fixed now”. Every year since Project Butter and even before. Protip: it’s not.

I've not had lag on any Android device in about three years. I can't say that about my iPhones though.
 
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