Time to go to samsung.

[Feenician]

Why you acting like that really matters even if it were true? Note 8 is blazing fast and more than fast enough for everybody who uses it

So if the iPhone was slower than last year’s Note, sometimes slower than 2 years ago’s Note and obviously, massively slower than the one about to be released, that’s what you’d say? “iPhone 8 is blazing fast and more than fast enough for everybody that uses it”?

Having just spent quite some time (unsuccessfully) trying to prove it’s not slower, it seems it does matter. At least to you.

 

[The Game 161]

So if the iPhone was slower than last year’s Note, sometimes slower than 2 years ago’s Note and obviously, massively slower than the one about to be released, that’s what you’d say? “iPhone 8 is blazing fast and more than fast enough for everybody that uses it”?

Having just spent quite some time (unsuccessfully) trying to prove it’s not slower, it seems it does matter. At least to you.

If the iphone 8 was fast enough for me? Why should it matter?

We all know the iphone x will be blazing fast and we also know the apple latest chip will always be faster than latest chip from the comp. Don't think i have ever said otherwise.

My point is all these new devices are very fast so one phone loading an app half a second faster is hardly a deal breaker. I can't wait to try the iphone x if i ever get my hands on one.

 

[mib1800]

So if the iPhone was slower than last year’s Note, sometimes slower than 2 years ago’s Note and obviously, massively slower than the one about to be released, that’s what you’d say? “iPhone 8 is blazing fast and more than fast enough for everybody that uses it”?

Having just spent quite some time (unsuccessfully) trying to prove it’s not slower, it seems it does matter. At least to you.

Whatever the factors/reasonings we are talking about milliseconds difference in most non-game apps. Some apps you even need to do a photo finish to determine who is the winner. Debating this is just moot.

BUT...there are more pertinent factors that can can have a difference in seconds (or many seconds) in efficiency when using the device. In this aspect, iOS loses more.

e.g. double-tap home to call up task manager compared to single tap in Android
- going back to previous tasks need to use task manager (many taps) compared to single tap on back button in Android
- changing settings - need to mess around in settings compared to one long press in Android
- transferring file needs to use slow cloud transfer - android just plug in your drive and copy
and many more.

 

[Feenician]

Whatever the factors/reasonings we are talking about milliseconds difference in most non-game apps. Some apps you even need to do a photo finish to determine who is the winner. Debating this is just moot.

We're not talking about milliseconds. 16 apps, opened twice with a 1 minute, 45 second difference. A rather massive 52% difference in favor of a year old phone. In the the core workload of a phone, running apps.

Are we watching the same video here? Note got thrashed in the application speed test, 5:06 Note, 3:21, iPhone. IPhone particularly pulled ahead in CPU intensive tasks, plus kept me apps in RAM despite having 3Gb vs the Note's 6Gb RAM. IPhone smashed the note in single core and wasnt far behind in multi, despite geekbench being embarrassingly parallel and the Note having more cores.

But, whatever, can't convince someone who's drank the Samsung Koolaid with such trifling things as facts and figures. Speed tests "don't matter" when you lose. Benchmarks "don't matter" when you lose.

Tired of the conversation. The facts speak for themselves.

Edited for arithmetic fail. "Only" 52% faster, not 65% as I originally stated

 

[burgman]

True you cannot remap the Bixby button. Can you remap the Siri button in the X?

Yes

 

[Nisaja]

Why you acting like that really matters even if it were true? Note 8 is blazing fast and more than fast enough for everybody who uses it

Maybe, but not FASTER than the iPhone.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

We're not talking about milliseconds. 16 apps, opened twice with a 1 minute, 45 second difference. A rather massive 52% difference in favor of a year old phone. In the the core workload of a phone, running apps.


But, whatever, can't convince someone who's drank the Samsung Koolaid with such trifling things as facts and figures. Speed tests "don't matter" when you lose. Benchmarks "don't matter" when you lose.

Tired of the conversation. The facts speak for themselves.

Edited for arithmetic fail. "Only" 52% faster, not 65% as I originally stated

You want to know how normal people measure speed? ....

Quickly jot something down .... I just take out my S-pen on my Note 8 and start writing.

Check battery status, if you have any notifications, or time & date ..... Always On Display means I just glance at my phone.

Default apps. I can set a default apps or have Android ask me which app to use. I can't count how many times on the iPhone I click on a link and Apple Maps loads up which I have to copy n paste that address to Google maps or HERE Maps. The same with Safari and copy n paste the web address to Chrome. The same for music apps, email apps, and etc. Not having a default app option is a time waster.

Go to my most frequent apps. I can pin apps in my recents, no need to swipe homescreens or open an icon folder to tap an icon.

Check weather .... There is a four day widget on my homescreen. As soon as I unlock my phone, Bam, weather report.

I currently have four ways to unlock my phone .... Finger sensor, Iris Scanner, Password, and Bixby with voice password. Whatever situation I'm in, I can choose the easier way for the moment.

The ability to use two apps at once with multi-window. And I can also open two apps at once in multi-window with just one tap using App Pair.

I don't have to turn my display on to check if it's fully charged. I just glance at it and notice the solid green notification light. If it's on my wireless charging dock, that also has a light to tell me it's fully charged. If I'm close enough, the Always On Display shows exact battery percentage.

I have hundreds of contacts, T9 contact search is priceless(especially with one hand), and even faster than normal search.

I can set a color to each app folder. Makes it easier to locate apps when you end up associating the color with the folder type. Can also quickly switch launchers at whim. Anything goes.

Transferring Files. I can use OTG and plug anything in, Wireless FTP, Bluetooth, Wifi direct, Load SD card into another device/computer, connect direct to computer, and etc. No special apps or cable needed for a convoluted way of doing so.

Mirror and cast without device restrictions nor third party apps.

When I want to play a game, but the game needs an update to play, I don't have to wait until I get Wifi access to do so. That gets pretty annoying on iOS.

Email damn near any attachment type. Try sending wav, csv, or other type of files with the iPhone. There is always some work around you have to deal with or doesn't work at all. Same with receiving. Android I have no issues with that. Again, another time waster.

Able to set resolution on Youtube while on carrier data. Too many times on the iPhone I've ran accross videos I wanted to see but the quality was too horrible to watch, and I can't change the quality settings unless I'm on wifi.

I can pretty much keep this list going on forever.


Now I'm not bashing the iPhone or iOS, with the exception of specific things I don't like. I actually have iOS devices. But if you want to keep focusing on speed of CPU, knock yourself out. Android's productivity is much faster than iOS. Especially when manufacturers like Samsung add on to it. Deny it all you want, everything I listed is facts, not opinion.

 

[Tsepz]

Well I was sitting patiently with my 6S to see what Apple would announce last week.

The iPhone X is just ridiculous in terms of price (and the cutout) so I wouldn't even consider that.
The iPhone 8, I just don't see this as an upgrade from my 6S, aside from the camera and a couple of spec bumps.

I've been tempted with the Samsung S8 for a while and decided to take the plunge on Friday, replaced my 6S and Apple Watch Series 2 with S8 and Gear 3 Frontier.

The S8 is just a gorgeous piece of tech, the screen is outstanding and just a pleasure to use, I like the look of the Frontier, looks more like a real watch and it can be set to always on. I've only used them for a couple of days but so far I'm happy I made the right decision.

Don't get me wrong I'm not an Apple hater, they just didn't do enough to resist the temptation from Samsung.

Enjoy it! Got my Note8 yesterday and loving it.

Came to laugh at the apologists here for a bit, and read about how Apple will deal with the disaster that is the notch and floating bar didn't expect to see this here.

 

[yui4]

Who actually notices the speed differences in real life? Its only usually a small difference and is more for bragging rights than actual noticeable difference in the latest phones

I have both note 8 and iPhone 7+

They'r both smooth and fast. I could care less which is the fastest

 

[Radon87000]

We're not talking about milliseconds. 16 apps, opened twice with a 1 minute, 45 second difference. A rather massive 52% difference in favor of a year old phone. In the the core workload of a phone, running apps.



But, whatever, can't convince someone who's drank the Samsung Koolaid with such trifling things as facts and figures. Speed tests "don't matter" when you lose. Benchmarks "don't matter" when you lose.

Tired of the conversation. The facts speak for themselves.

Edited for arithmetic fail. "Only" 52% faster, not 65% as I originally stated

OnePlus 5 beat the 7 Plus in speed tests but I don't think my 7 Plus is slower than it. The difference is insignificant . 0.5 seconds per app for 16 apps adds up to a sizeable difference but I don't open apps one after the other that way.

Good for winning debates through but not practical.

 

[Feenician]

OnePlus 5 beat the 7 Plus in speed tests but I don't think my 7 Plus is slower than it. The difference is insignificant . 0.5 seconds per app for 16 apps adds up to a sizeable difference but I don't open apps one after the other that way.

Good for winning debates through but not practical.

It's not .5 second per for 16 apps. It's 105 seconds for 32 launches, or 3.2 seconds per app. Of course launching wasn't the only thing done. The place where the Note lost most ground was in the video rendering, a CPU bound activity. You don't need to launch the apps sequentially for the difference to add up. Launching apps, closing them and launching others is all we do all day every day on phones. Built in apps, 3rd party apps. That's what makes them useful. That's what they are for.

It's slower. Slower than a year old phone. Slower than a two year old phone in some areas. Absolutely slower than the new ones about to launch. End of story.

 

[Radon87000]

It's not .5 second per for 16 apps. It's 105 seconds for 32 launches, or 3.2 seconds per app. Of course launching wasn't the only thing done. The place where the Note lost most ground was in the video rendering, a CPU bound activity. You don't need to launch the apps sequentially for the difference to add up. Launching apps, closing them and launching others is all we do all day every day on phones. Built in apps, 3rd party apps. That's what makes them useful. That's what they are for.

It's slower. Slower than a year old phone. Slower than a two year old phone in some areas. Absolutely slower than the new ones about to launch. End of story.

So then I should buy a OnePlus 5 over a 7 Plus.

 

[Feenician]

So then I should buy a OnePlus 5 over a 7 Plus.

Edited to remove uncalled for insult. Sorry @Radon87000

In terms of what you buy, I don't care. I don't own shares in any of these companies.

 

[mib1800]

It's not .5 second per for 16 apps. It's 105 seconds for 32 launches, or 3.2 seconds per app. Of course launching wasn't the only thing done. The place where the Note lost most ground was in the video rendering, a CPU bound activity. You don't need to launch the apps sequentially for the difference to add up. Launching apps, closing them and launching others is all we do all day every day on phones. Built in apps, 3rd party apps. That's what makes them useful. That's what they are for.

It's slower. Slower than a year old phone. Slower than a two year old phone in some areas. Absolutely slower than the new ones about to launch. End of story.

Iphone maybe faster opening apps but it is SLOW in carrying out tasks. My S8+ can be doing 10 other tasks for me in the background concurrently while I am in an app. For iphone to do same you need to manually open each of 10 apps one after another sequentially.....ahhhh wait now I get it why you attached so much importance to those benchmark tests which open one app after another.

 

[Radon87000]

Edited to remove uncalled for insult. Sorry @Radon87000

In terms of what you buy, I don't care. I don't own shares in any of these companies.

I don’t think the difference in speed between a one Plus and a 7 is significant nor do I think it’s significant between the 7 and the Note. I don’t open apps one after the other and using an S6 at work at one point I found that phone perfectly fast for my usage.

I don’t do video rendering it heavy effects on my phone. Plain browsing,Facebook,twitter,Uber are all I use and speed is perfectly fine on all phones.

 

[Feenician]

My S8+ can be doing 10 other tasks for me in the background concurrently while I am in an app

Except that it can't because it will have ejected the first three from RAM. Makes a great wallpaper admiring machine though (if you ignore the obnoxious glare from the curved screen)

I don’t open apps one after the other

You do. Just over the course of a hours/days/months/years, hundreds and thousands of times but not all at once for the purposes of demonstration.

 

[Radon87000]

Except that it can't because it will have ejected the first three from RAM. Makes a great wallpaper admiring machine though (if you ignore the obnoxious glare from the curved screen)



You do. Just over the course of a hours/days/months/years, hundreds and thousands of times but not all at once for the purposes of demonstration.

If Android loads apps 1 second slower than iOS whilst being much more productive in other tasks that's a trade off some may be willing to make.

I used to use an S6 at work and I didn't find it any slower than the iPhone I was using at that time.

If you value those 1 seconds per app get the iPhone. I don't care which is why I still consider the Note 8 as an option alongside the X as do a lot of people. my use case is browsing the web, some Facebook and twitter and both do that perfectly.

 

[mib1800]

Except that it can't because it will have ejected the first three from RAM. Makes a great wallpaper admiring machine though (if you ignore the obnoxious glare from the curved screen)

Wrong. Active tasks are not unloaded until they finished. Even if they are unloaded, they will be automatically reloaded at the point they left off and continue processing.

You do. Just over the course of a hours/days/months/years, hundreds and thousands of times but not all at once for the purposes of demonstration.

Iphone gains half a second in opening an app but loses many tens of seconds due to its slow scrolling, lack of back and task buttons, inefficient UI esp settings, lack of shortcuts support etc etc etc. Iphone is just millisecond wise minutes foolish.

 

[Feenician]

Wrong. Active tasks are not unloaded until they finished.

Clearly not the case. Most of the apps in the video we were discussing were just terminated. They weren't inactive. Was the game "inactive?" No.

Even if they are unloaded, they will be automatically reloaded at the point they left off and continue processing.

Like iOS then.

Iphone gains half a second in opening an app

Here we go with the half a second number again, not at all borne out by reality.

It's not .5 second per for 16 apps. It's 105 seconds for 32 launches, or 3.2 seconds per app.

but loses many tens of seconds due to its slow scrolling, lack of back and task buttons, inefficient UI esp settings, lack of shortcuts support etc etc etc

I, too, can make up numbers. I don't but I can.


Look, the Note is slower. No shame in second best (well, 3rd if you count the 6s and 4th/5th if you count the iPhones just about to be released.) No need to defend it.

 

[erayser]

I never really get why those speed test videos matter to some. I think they are fun to watch no matter which one wins. The speed tests really don't apply in normal operation for most.

I build gaming rigs and have fun benchmarking with friends or people I know in PC forums. When people post their scores, they also post their specs, and include their monitor resolution. Easy way to bump scores is to use a low resolution monitor. I use 3 monitor surround on my rig, but if I want to bump my scores, I bench on one monitor. Other than seeing bench scores, I don't see the scores reflect my everyday usage. My current rig is starting to get old now. I can't game with current games in 3 monitor surround as much, but I could always play on 1 monitor and get the performance I need to enjoy current games.

The videos are comparing a new Note 8 with a 6.3" 2960 x 1440 532 ppi display against a year old 7 plus with a 5.5" 1920 x 1080 401 ppi. That's why I consider these video's only fun to watch. To would make the videos interesting and fun to watch is if there was a way to have both phones have the exact same displays or swap display panels.

 

[Radon87000]

I never really get why those speed test videos matter to some. I think they are fun to watch no matter which one wins. The speed tests really don't apply in normal operation for most.

I build gaming rigs and have fun benchmarking with friends or people I know in PC forums. When people post their scores, they also post their specs, and include their monitor resolution. Easy way to bump scores is to use a low resolution monitor. I use 3 monitor surround on my rig, but if I want to bump my scores, I bench on one monitor. Other than seeing bench scores, I don't see the scores reflect my everyday usage. My current rig is starting to get old now. I can't game with current games in 3 monitor surround as much, but I could always play on 1 monitor and get the performance I need to enjoy current games.

The videos are comparing a new Note 8 with a 6.3" 2960 x 1440 532 ppi display against a year old 7 plus with a 5.5" 1920 x 1080 401 ppi. That's why I consider these video's only fun to watch. To would make the videos interesting and fun to watch is if there was a way to have both phones have the exact same displays or swap display panels.

It's like Intel vs AMD Ryzen fanboy wars. Intel's got higher max fps while matching Ryzen in averages while gaming yet some try to justify the ridiculous premium Kabylake charges and not try to understand that The gaming experience is essentially the same.

I personally got a Ryzen to pair with my 1080ti despite knowing Intel had higher fps because I knew the difference was not visible unless you keep a fps meter in the background.

 

[erayser]

It's like Intel vs AMD Ryzen fanboy wars. Intel's got higher max fps while matching Ryzen in averages while gaming yet some try to justify the ridiculous premium Kabylake charges and not try to understand that The gaming experience is essentially the same.

I personally got a Ryzen to pair with my 1080ti despite knowing Intel had higher fps because I knew the difference was not visible unless you keep a fps meter in the background.

Very similar... and I agree... which is why I look at fps/speed and benchmark scores as fun. In gaming and normal operation, the experience is pretty much the same. I'm happy new tech having higher benchmarks and faster... that's the way it should be. However, this does not reflect my everyday experience with my current rig/phone or any future tech I buy... no matter what brand. BTW...your rig looks good... sounds fun. AMD is getting a lot more respect by gamers compared to 5+ years ago.

 

[Feenician]

To would make the videos interesting and fun to watch is if there was a way to have both phones have the exact same displays

That's what offscreen benchmarks are for. All devices render to the same resolution. Can you guess how these turn out with the Note 8 vs the iPhone 7+. Can you guess how those turn out?

iPhone 7 (On screen figures on the left, Offscreen to the right)

Note 8

That's right. The Note is slower there too.

 

[Oohara]

You want to know how normal people measure speed? ....

Quickly jot something down .... I just take out my S-pen on my Note 8 and start writing.

Check battery status, if you have any notifications, or time & date ..... Always On Display means I just glance at my phone.

Default apps. I can set a default apps or have Android ask me which app to use. I can't count how many times on the iPhone I click on a link and Apple Maps loads up which I have to copy n paste that address to Google maps or HERE Maps. The same with Safari and copy n paste the web address to Chrome. The same for music apps, email apps, and etc. Not having a default app option is a time waster.

Go to my most frequent apps. I can pin apps in my recents, no need to swipe homescreens or open an icon folder to tap an icon.

Check weather .... There is a four day widget on my homescreen. As soon as I unlock my phone, Bam, weather report.

I currently have four ways to unlock my phone .... Finger sensor, Iris Scanner, Password, and Bixby with voice password. Whatever situation I'm in, I can choose the easier way for the moment.

The ability to use two apps at once with multi-window. And I can also open two apps at once in multi-window with just one tap using App Pair.

I don't have to turn my display on to check if it's fully charged. I just glance at it and notice the solid green notification light. If it's on my wireless charging dock, that also has a light to tell me it's fully charged. If I'm close enough, the Always On Display shows exact battery percentage.

I have hundreds of contacts, T9 contact search is priceless(especially with one hand), and even faster than normal search.

I can set a color to each app folder. Makes it easier to locate apps when you end up associating the color with the folder type. Can also quickly switch launchers at whim. Anything goes.

Transferring Files. I can use OTG and plug anything in, Wireless FTP, Bluetooth, Wifi direct, Load SD card into another device/computer, connect direct to computer, and etc. No special apps or cable needed for a convoluted way of doing so.

Mirror and cast without device restrictions nor third party apps.

When I want to play a game, but the game needs an update to play, I don't have to wait until I get Wifi access to do so. That gets pretty annoying on iOS.

Email damn near any attachment type. Try sending wav, csv, or other type of files with the iPhone. There is always some work around you have to deal with or doesn't work at all. Same with receiving. Android I have no issues with that. Again, another time waster.

Able to set resolution on Youtube while on carrier data. Too many times on the iPhone I've ran accross videos I wanted to see but the quality was too horrible to watch, and I can't change the quality settings unless I'm on wifi.

I can pretty much keep this list going on forever.


Now I'm not bashing the iPhone or iOS, with the exception of specific things I don't like. I actually have iOS devices. But if you want to keep focusing on speed of CPU, knock yourself out. Android's productivity is much faster than iOS. Especially when manufacturers like Samsung add on to it. Deny it all you want, everything I listed is facts, not opinion.

Excellent post.

For the sake of stilling those with a sensitive love for one side, I'd add that some points in one's workflow may be faster on either system if one has an especially well established way of doing things on that particular system.

 

[deany]

You want to know how normal people measure speed? ....

Quickly jot something down .... I just take out my S-pen on my Note 8 and start writing.

Check battery status, if you have any notifications, or time & date ..... Always On Display means I just glance at my phone.

Default apps. I can set a default apps or have Android ask me which app to use. I can't count how many times on the iPhone I click on a link and Apple Maps loads up which I have to copy n paste that address to Google maps or HERE Maps. The same with Safari and copy n paste the web address to Chrome. The same for music apps, email apps, and etc. Not having a default app option is a time waster.

Go to my most frequent apps. I can pin apps in my recents, no need to swipe homescreens or open an icon folder to tap an icon.

Check weather .... There is a four day widget on my homescreen. As soon as I unlock my phone, Bam, weather report.

I currently have four ways to unlock my phone .... Finger sensor, Iris Scanner, Password, and Bixby with voice password. Whatever situation I'm in, I can choose the easier way for the moment.

The ability to use two apps at once with multi-window. And I can also open two apps at once in multi-window with just one tap using App Pair.

I don't have to turn my display on to check if it's fully charged. I just glance at it and notice the solid green notification light. If it's on my wireless charging dock, that also has a light to tell me it's fully charged. If I'm close enough, the Always On Display shows exact battery percentage.

I have hundreds of contacts, T9 contact search is priceless(especially with one hand), and even faster than normal search.

I can set a color to each app folder. Makes it easier to locate apps when you end up associating the color with the folder type. Can also quickly switch launchers at whim. Anything goes.

Transferring Files. I can use OTG and plug anything in, Wireless FTP, Bluetooth, Wifi direct, Load SD card into another device/computer, connect direct to computer, and etc. No special apps or cable needed for a convoluted way of doing so.

Mirror and cast without device restrictions nor third party apps.

When I want to play a game, but the game needs an update to play, I don't have to wait until I get Wifi access to do so. That gets pretty annoying on iOS.

Email damn near any attachment type. Try sending wav, csv, or other type of files with the iPhone. There is always some work around you have to deal with or doesn't work at all. Same with receiving. Android I have no issues with that. Again, another time waster.

Able to set resolution on Youtube while on carrier data. Too many times on the iPhone I've ran accross videos I wanted to see but the quality was too horrible to watch, and I can't change the quality settings unless I'm on wifi.

I can pretty much keep this list going on forever.


Now I'm not bashing the iPhone or iOS, with the exception of specific things I don't like. I actually have iOS devices. But if you want to keep focusing on speed of CPU, knock yourself out. Android's productivity is much faster than iOS. Especially when manufacturers like Samsung add on to it. Deny it all you want, everything I listed is facts, not opinion.

It is very impressive the way you put it.
The impression I get with unhappy switchers is

• getting used to android
• the apps
• the unlock
• lack of sync

1/ is just give it time ....but...

Would be interered in your view on the other 3
Also are you Note 8 or S8/S8+
thanks