Torn b/w Apple Studio Display vs Studio Display Pro (WWDC)

[BeatCrazy]

So, a guy with nearly 100% accurate track record lying about the panel being in production and coming in June?

Confusion and lying are two different things. Alternatively, these folks get paid by clicks. And rarely suffer when they're wildly wrong.

From a product marketing standpoint, it makes no sense for Apple to release a tweaked version of a display that is literally weeks old, at a developer-focused conference.

You still haven't answered the most obvious question: what computer that Apple currently sells would/could drive a 5K 120Hz ProMotion display? Even when they introduced the Pro Display XDR, existing MacBook Pros were compatible with the Pro Display XDR, at the full 6K resolution. In other words, they're not going to introduce a "non-flagship" display that can only be utilized by a yet-to-be-announced computer.

 

[patrick.a]

Confusion and lying are two different things. Alternatively, these folks get paid by clicks. And rarely suffer when they're wildly wrong.

From a product marketing standpoint, it makes no sense for Apple to release a tweaked version of a display that is literally weeks old, at a developer-focused conference.

You still haven't answered the most obvious question: what computer that Apple currently sells would/could drive a 5K 120Hz ProMotion display? Even when they introduced the Pro Display XDR, existing MacBook Pros were compatible with the Pro Display XDR, at the full 6K resolution. In other words, they're not going to introduce a "non-flagship" display that can only be utilized by a yet-to-be-announced computer.

Yes but back then that was the only display made by Apple. Now they have the consumerish-Studio-Display that you can connect to all those Macs so they‘ve got this covered.
In theory they could introduce a Pro display that for now can only be paired with the new Mac Pro. When the 30inch Cinema Display was introduced back then it needed special hardware (dual-dvi) as well.

 

[Lammers]

Yes but back then that was the only display made by Apple. Now they have the consumerish-Studio-Display that you can connect to all those Macs so they‘ve got this covered.
In theory they could introduce a Pro display that for now can only be paired with the new Mac Pro. When the 30inch Cinema Display was introduced back then it needed special hardware (dual-dvi) as well.

But from a product development perspective it wouldn’t make any sense to invest in designing, engineering, and manufacturing a display that can be used by ZERO shipping computers and could only be used by a very niche new Mac Pro. It’s just illogical.

 

[patrick.a]

But from a product development perspective it wouldn’t make any sense to invest in designing, engineering, and manufacturing a display that can be used by ZERO shipping computers and could only be used by a very niche new Mac Pro. It’s just illogical.

Well, and still they invest in making this „very niche“ new Mac Pro, right? I guess it takes more time to design this whole computer than putting a better display panel in the existing Pro XDR or ASD housing.
Apple loves to upsell so I wouldn‘t be surprised.

 

[somanyscreens]

Not true if you count Chinese manufacturers in. They literally sell 4K 144Hz MiniLED HDR1000 monitors for less than $800, and they're of pretty good quality (but no match for Pro Display XDR of course).

I actually bought one of those. It performs really well in SDR mode, but its local dimming algorithms have bugs so HDR mode is not that good, but adequate for average consumers (and for the price tag).

Link?

 

[maxsquared]

Link?

I can find this one, can't find them on eBay or whatever deliver to the UK.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/rk28dj

 

[palmor]

I can find this one, can't find them on eBay or whatever deliver to the UK.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/rk28dj

Here a list of mini-led monitors in all different sizes (not sure how complete it is). When I go through and look at the 27" 4k ones most are not available or not sold in the US.

Mini LED Monitor List 2024 [Always Updated] - Display Ninja

We maintain a list of all mini LED monitors in the world. These mini LED monitors are great for creative use among other usage scenarios.

www.displayninja.com

 

[singularity0993]

I can find this one, can't find them on eBay or whatever deliver to the UK.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/rk28dj

Yes this is the one I currently have. It has really impressive specs at $785, but beware that this monitor has some small problems which might affect your use, e.g. the power adapter it ships with sometimes makes noises, and the current firmware has bugs affecting its ability to wake from sleep and HDR local dimming is, as I have said before, not very ideal. Just don't expect anything at this price tag to work like Pro Display XDR. I recommend buying it only if you can return it in case it fails to meet your expectation.

 

[throAU]

Hello people, should I buy the Apple Studio Display (ASD) now or wait for June to get the updated Studio Display Pro w/ Mini-led and Promotion according to this article.

The most conflicting thing is, if Apple does release a Mini led version of Studio Display at around $2000 $2300 then me buying an ASD right now would really makes me sad because it's just a difference of $700 and I plan to use this monitor for at least 7 years, but if it would be priced at $2500 then it wouldn't bother me at all.

I know, Apple is the most secretive company in the world, but some of you might have studied Apple for many years and what would you think about the pricing of new ASD w/ Mini-Led and Promotion and how much would it cost (ballpark, maybe)?
On the other hand Ming-Chi Kuo says no new mini-LED product this year - article.
So, according to you people what should I do?
Thanks.

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[loby]

This rumor makes no sense.
Apple is going to offer another display with just 2 additional features at the same size??
And it will replace the BIGGER and DENSER 32" XDR???


Maybe they got it double backwards and there will actually be a 27" iMac Pro?

I will actually be mad as Apple has seemingly said on the record that there is not a 27" iMac of any kind imminent . . .

Maybe a 24" First get the wanters and waiters for a new Apple Monitor to buy, then release a 24" later. That would be good marketing..

 

[AppliedVisual]

Unless you're willing to devote two Thunderbolt ports to the display, just what magical connector would drive 5K+ @ 120Hz?

I do expect Apple to launch an updated Pro Display when they bring us the new Mac Pro... We may see the new Mac Pro reveal (or maybe teased) at WWDC as they have done that in the past and it makes more sense to do it there than to have another event just for it. Otherwise expect the Mac Pro (and new Pro Display) to be announced later, perhaps this fall... Unless it has to move into next year to capitalize on advancements with the next round of Apple Silicon (M2 series or whatever). New Mac Pro will probably bring us Thunderbolt 5 with 80Gbps+ bandwidth and support for a new Pro Display 6K XDR with ProMotion.

 

[appleuserindc]

I have an iMac 27" (late 2015) that's long in the tooth and with some serious image retention in the dock. I was all ready for Apple to replace it with new Apple silicon models but, as we all know, Apple had different ideas. So I ordered the Studio Display with height adjustable stand which has a shipment date of mid-June so it's perfect timing to see what happens at WWDC. I'm a prosumer and while I like having the latest tech, Promotion is slick but not particularly useful, at least for me. And mini-LED is fantastic but its primary benefit is HDR and I don't watch movies on my Mac. Still, I plan to have this monitor for the long-term, so if Apple does release a Pro model and it's not dramatically more expensive, I'll probably go for it.

 

[Lammers]

I have an iMac 27" (late 2015) that's long in the tooth and with some serious image retention in the dock. I was all ready for Apple to replace it with new Apple silicon models but, as we all know, Apple had different ideas. So I ordered the Studio Display with height adjustable stand which has a shipment date of mid-June so it's perfect timing to see what happens at WWDC. I'm a prosumer and while I like having the latest tech, Promotion is slick but not particularly useful, at least for me. And mini-LED is fantastic but its primary benefit is HDR and I don't watch movies on my Mac. Still, I plan to have this monitor for the long-term, so if Apple does release a Pro model and it's not dramatically more expensive, I'll probably go for it.

It would be dramatically more expensive as it would be dramatically different technology.

 

[appleuserindc]

It would be dramatically more expensive as it would be dramatically different technology.

Maybe. Apple's premium on the MacBook Pro with Promotion and mini-LED is about 50% but that also includes other features like M1 Pro, more ports, etc.

 

[singularity0993]

Unless you're willing to devote two Thunderbolt ports to the display, just what magical connector would drive 5K+ @ 120Hz?

You still haven't answered the most obvious question: what computer that Apple currently sells would/could drive a 5K 120Hz ProMotion display? Even when they introduced the Pro Display XDR, existing MacBook Pros were compatible with the Pro Display XDR, at the full 6K resolution. In other words, they're not going to introduce a "non-flagship" display that can only be utilized by a yet-to-be-announced computer.

But from a product development perspective it wouldn’t make any sense to invest in designing, engineering, and manufacturing a display that can be used by ZERO shipping computers and could only be used by a very niche new Mac Pro. It’s just illogical.

Google Display Stream Compression. All DisplayPort1.4/TB3 ports are capable with DSC. And Apple currently uses this technology in Pro Display XDR.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Google Display Stream Compression. All DisplayPort1.4/TB3 ports are capable with DSC. And Apple currently uses this technology in Pro Display XDR.

We all know what DSC is. Show me where the M1 architecture has enough bandwidth via TB3/4 to support 5K120Hz.

 

[singularity0993]

We all know what DSC is. Show me where the M1 architecture has enough bandwidth via TB3/4 to support 5K120Hz.

How is bandwidth related to architecture? If the port complies with the standard, then it has the bandwidth. Otherwise, it does not. Architecture is irrelevant.

If you are trying to say M1 might not have enough GPU power to drive 5k120, well, maybe. But M1 Pro certainly has.

 

[BeatCrazy]

How is bandwidth related to architecture? If the port complies with the standard, then it has the bandwidth. Otherwise, it does not. Architecture is irrelevant.

If you are trying to say M1 might not have enough GPU power to drive 5k120, well, maybe. But M1 Pro certainly has.

Architecture is not irrelevant. Neither is GPU "power". For example... no M1 can support HDMI 2.1 even though there is plenty of "GPU power".

It's all about architecture And there's no indication the M1 supports 5K/120Hz.

 

[AppliedVisual]

DSC isn't going to buy enough additional throughput to drive 5K 120Hz over TB3/4. Not without sacrificing lossless imagery and taking a noticeable hit to visual quality. That's not a pro solution. The 6K XDR display is already pushing the lossless limit of DSC on TB3/4. As for the CPU/GPU capabilities, you can drive more than one 6K XDR from an M1 Pro/ Max just fine, driving two at 60Hz is the same as driving 1 and 120Hz. Or it is in terms of pixel throughput, driving a single display at 120Hz is less memory intensive than driving two at 60Hz. The bottleneck is the current Thunderbolt (DisplayPort) interface...

Upcoming DisplayPort and HDMI standards will handle this just fine. It stands to reason they will be rolled into Thunderbolt 5.