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That's a result of Leopard introducing ACL's. It's not only determining permissions it's checking the list and fixing that as well.

A faster hard drive or an SSD would speed it up. About all you can do.

What are ACL's?

Come on people, pitch in! What are some new ideas for bettering Leopard as much as possible? Nothing is too crazy!
 

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What are ACL's?

Come on people, pitch in! What are some new ideas for bettering Leopard as much as possible? Nothing is too crazy!
Maybe get an Intel Mac? Maybe? Nothings too cRaZy! Or maybe people don't want to waste their time *Chasing the impossible*. I think you should really consider what goes into an OS. Switch to Linux or something.

Let me just break this down for ya here. Both SNOW leopard and LEOPARD are pre-compiled operating systems. Without us decoding and recoding the binaries there isn't much more we can do. Just about every process running on your machine is necessary to keep Leopard spinning. You can't just shoot 'em down and expect stability.

On top of that, what makes Leopard 'feel slow' is that it was released during a turning point in Apple's history. iPhone? Not only was Leopard a design shift for Apple, it was the beginning of new tech. PowerPC was shed for a reason. It wasn't going anywhere. Stop deluding yourself. If you don't like the speed of whats already offered, move on bud, there won't be a culture shift anytime soon.
 
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Maybe get an Intel Mac? Maybe? Nothings too cRaZy! Or maybe people don't want to waste their time *Chasing the impossible*. I think you should really consider what goes into an OS. Switch to Linux or something.

Let me just break this down for ya here. Both SNOW leopard and LEOPARD are pre-compiled operating systems. Without us decoding and recoding the binaries there isn't much more we can do. Just about every process running on your machine is necessary to keep Leopard spinning. You can't just shoot 'em down and expect stability.

On top of that, what makes Leopard 'feel slow' is that it was released during a turning point in Apple's history. iPhone? Not only was Leopard a design shift for Apple, it was the beginning of new tech. PowerPC was shed for a reason. It wasn't going anywhere. Stop deluding yourself. If you don't like the speed of whats already offered, move on bud, there won't be a culture shift anytime soon.

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z970

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I made one concession in early 2015.

But as they use the old AlBook style it's acceptable to me. They look similar.

This particular model maxes out at Snow Leopard 10.6. It's the one on the right next to my PowerBook.

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Yes, but just about all of the pre-unibody MBP GPUs suck. Crashes, kernel panics, and overheating galore.

They were also the first Intel Apple laptops. Of course they had their first-time bugs and issues aside from the just previously mentioned kink.

And the early Intel community is miniscule compared to the PowerPC community.

PowerBook G4: 1
MacBook Pro: 0
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I don't see any text in your post?

Then you can't handle the truth.
 
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Yes, but just about all of the pre-unibody MBP GPUs suck. Crashes, kernel panics, and overheating galore.

They were also the first Intel Apple laptops. Of course they had their first-time bugs and issues aside from the just previously mentioned kink.

And the early Intel community is miniscule compared to the PowerPC community.

PowerBook G4: 1
MacBook Pro: 0
My MBP has been rock solid. If it had a problem it would have shown it by now. I've never had any issue with it and I've had it for over two years.

You're also going to find that a lot of the early Intel people are us. Meaning, us PowerPC users. I'm not the only one with an Intel Mac.
 

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My MBP has been rock solid. If it had a problem it would have shown it by now. I've never had any issue with it and I've had it for over two years.

You're also going to find that a lot of the early Intel people are us. Meaning, us PowerPC users. I'm not the only one with an Intel Mac.
Yeah, I try to use my eMac and PowerBook as much as possible, but I must admit I did purchase a Late 2011 MacBook Pro just a few months ago because there's certain things which I just don't have the time/patience for to find workarounds on PPC. YouTube is one of them; PPC Media Center has literally never worked once on either of my machines for some reason despite others claiming it does work for them, and other solutions have been nearly just as fruitless.
 
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Yes, but just about all of the pre-unibody MBP GPUs suck. Crashes, kernel panics, and overheating galore.

They were also the first Intel Apple laptops. Of course they had their first-time bugs and issues aside from the just previously mentioned kink.

And the early Intel community is miniscule compared to the PowerPC community.

PowerBook G4: 1
MacBook Pro: 0
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Then you can't handle the truth.
Really. Hmm. I own several perfectly fine pre-unibody MacBook Pros. All high spec 15 inchers save one 17". I have every revision. Only one was bad and after a bake, it was fine. I used all of them for a month apiece. They weren't worse heat-wise than a DLSD. Or a TiBook for that matter. As Erik said, most of us HAVE intel but keep PPC bopping around for fun. You however can keep up this ignorant charade if you'd like, but please reply in text. People who actually BROWSE the forums on PPC might have images blocked. Didn't think about that, didja.

PowerBook G4: 1
Anything Intel: 2.
 
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It's news to me that early Intel Macs are so problem riddled, aside from GPU failures in MBPs.

I have a Mac Pro 1,1 sitting next to me that's only been turned off a few times since 2015. I use it every day I'm at work, and it's rock solid.

I've also used pre-uni MBPs a LOT. I wrote my entire master's thesis on one back in 2015 because I got tired of the lack of screen area on the 13" MBP that was my main computer at a time(and I also liked the keyboard). That computer, BTW, is still in daily use by a friend.
 
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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3701075?start=0&tstart=0

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2570597?tstart=0

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2570597?tstart=0

https://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/apple-officially-admits-to-faulty-nvidia-gpus/

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2268642?tstart=0

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/display-problems-with-white-imac-core-2-duo.653082/

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/54887/faulty-2006-imac-what-is-it-useful-for

I can also personally relate to a 2006 20" iMac going funny with the GPU, a second 2006 iMac 24" going funny with the GPU, a 2007 MacBook Pro also overheating and going funny, and just for the hell of it, a 2011 iMac with a flickering display, cursor lag, with fan issues, a 2010 Mac Mini with some kind of set of issues I forgot about, and a 2012 Mac Pro with other sets of issues. I don't know, it doesn't live in the same building as I do. Oh yeah, and my 2012 MacBook Pro with graphical and electrical issues.

[doublepost=1501265408][/doublepost]@bunnspecial

I never said anything about Mac Pros specifically, but...

And why is it that I always see smiley faces in your signature, but I never see smiley faces in your comments? :(
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Really. Hmm. I own several perfectly fine pre-unibody MacBook Pros. All high spec 15 inchers save one 17". I have every revision. Only one was bad and after a bake, it was fine. I used all of them for a month apiece. They weren't worse heat-wise than a DLSD. Or a TiBook for that matter. As Erik said, most of us HAVE intel but keep PPC bopping around for fun. You however can keep up this ignorant charade if you'd like, but please reply in text. People who actually BROWSE the forums on PPC might have images blocked. Didn't think about that, didja.

PowerBook G4: 1
Anything Intel: 2.

Congratulations, you got lucky.

Every revision too, huh? Congratulations, you have a lot of money.

Yeah, but the general consumer isn't supposed to bake anything. It's supposed to work. You only get to bake stuff when there is a problem where there shouldn't be. Turns out, there are problems on every one of them. That's a lot of temporary solution fix sessions.

That's such a long time.

The issue is not that they are hot, rather the issue is that the heat is not being internally handled as it's supposed to be. The DLSD PowerBook G4 handles heat without issue. The early revision MacBook Pros however, do not.

Right, well, what you don't realize, is that there are people that only use PowerPC machines as secondary computers, or hold them as a hobby "for fun". And that's just fine, only, they don't hold them to the same standard as some people like me, where we consider them a lifestyle, not a hobby or secondary machine. So we expect greater things out of them, and when we're willing to dig, tweak, and get our hands dirty, we're almost never disappointed.

You however, can keep up this ignorant charade of mindlessly supporting broken computers like the early MacBook Pros. Yes, the ones previous to them are underpowered, technically inferior, and pale in comparison to today's low-end machines, but at least they're intensely dependable. I got my mid 2012 MacBook Pro in about early 2016 and there have already been a few graphical glitches and issues, not only that, the case itself feels like it's electrically charged when you run your hand over it. +1 for Intel, right? While you do that, I'll gladly keep up the charade of mindlessly supporting old and almost inept computers if you leave them at stock.

Well, that's your choice to block images. Not mine.

Oh yes, and to address your statement on the topic of the PowerPC not going anywhere, IBM has already released 5 revisions to the POWER4 processor in 2002, which was used to make the G5. They're up to POWER9 now, which has yet to even be released. No, it's not the PowerPC, but there's a lot more PowerPC spirit in it than an Intel Mac, that's for sure.

Anything Derived From IBM Technology: 3
Windows PCs Disguised With Apple Logos: 2

Yeah, and nice job derailing this thread and making it about upgrading to low-standard, non-user serviceable, no-moxy machines that don't feel like Apple products, instead of making something abandoned BETTER. Good job on that.
 
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I got my mid 2012 MacBook Pro in about early 2016 and there have already been a few graphical glitches and issues, not only that, the case itself feels like it's electrically charged when you run your hand over it. +1 for Intel, right?

I think that can be resolved by using the earthed extension cord on the charger.
 

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I think that can be resolved by using the earthed extension cord on the charger.

Great idea.

Something else I shouldn't have to do on a high-quality, high-expense, modern premium computer made by Apple.

Intel: 9000+
 
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If you think that using a metal-bodied computer without grounding it and getting "buzzed" is Apple's fault, we can't help you.

BTW, some 2012 rMBPs have that issue, and Apple initiated a repair program for it.

Also, what the heck does my use of smilies have to do with anything?

And, on the subject of PPCs-I have several set up that are used almost daily, but they are used for niche/legacy purposes. Some of those purposes are even related to my job. I'm now on the 3rd G4 tower I've built for someone at work, again for legacy support.
 
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If you think that using a metal-bodied computer without grounding it and getting "buzzed" is Apple's fault, we can't help you.

BTW, some 2012 rMBPs have that issue, and Apple initiated a repair program for it.

Also, what the heck does my use of smilies have to do with anything?

This never happened on the PowerBook G4.

Some? Some 2012 rMBPs have this issue? By your logic, they should all have this issue.

And you're telling me that you're supposed to get buzzed if your computer is metal and ungrounded.

It is their fault. This didn't happen before, and you CAN make an ungrounded metal bodied computer without getting buzzed from only touching the damn thing.

Right, well, we can't help *you*.
 
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Maybe get an Intel Mac? Maybe? Nothings too cRaZy! Or maybe people don't want to waste their time *Chasing the impossible*. I think you should really consider what goes into an OS. Switch to Linux or something.

Let me just break this down for ya here. Both SNOW leopard and LEOPARD are pre-compiled operating systems. Without us decoding and recoding the binaries there isn't much more we can do. Just about every process running on your machine is necessary to keep Leopard spinning. You can't just shoot 'em down and expect stability.

On top of that, what makes Leopard 'feel slow' is that it was released during a turning point in Apple's history. iPhone? Not only was Leopard a design shift for Apple, it was the beginning of new tech. PowerPC was shed for a reason. It wasn't going anywhere. Stop deluding yourself. If you don't like the speed of whats already offered, move on bud, there won't be a culture shift anytime soon.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/running-snow-leopard-on-a-powerpc-mac.2058856/

You were saying, Mr. AllKnowIt?
 
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I've had the electrical charge problem while using a 2011 MBP. And it's happened every time I've used an MBP from that time period.

Agreeing with @z970mp here.

Funny-I used a 2011 as my main computer from April 2012 to May 2015. "Main computer" for me generally means that I'm on it 6-14 hours a day every day.

In that time, nor now when I use that computer do I get "buzzed."
 

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Funny-I used a 2011 as my main computer from April 2012 to May 2015. "Main computer" for me generally means that I'm on it 6-14 hours a day every day.

In that time, nor now when I use that computer do I get "buzzed."
Well, lucky you! You got one without the problem, it sounds like!

The point is: almost no PBG4s have the issue.
 
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Funny-I used a 2011 as my main computer from April 2012 to May 2015. "Main computer" for me generally means that I'm on it 6-14 hours a day every day.

In that time, nor now when I use that computer do I get "buzzed."

Like I told Mr. High&Mighty, you got lucky. Just because failure doesn't happen to strike you doesn't mean it doesn't exist for many, if not, most others. This also goes for the first Intel version of the Mac Pro that you happen to own, even though I didn't elaborate on it.
 
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z970

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You don't seem to know much about QEMU. All I'll say if he gets that up and running, Snow Leopard would be far, far too slow to use due to the overhead of x86 emulation on top of PowerPC. At that point, you might as well get an Intel Mac like other intelligent users here have been trying to hint at you.

There's nothing to know. It emulates things. Translates code. Nothing more.

Nobody said anything about using it. It's called making a point.

Yeah sure, the same intelligent users that are gullible enough to use a Wintel machine with an Apple logo slapped on.

You don't seem to know much about computer quality.
 
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