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"The union said that "these are initial proposals"
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Nope....Nope....Nope.
If I ask advice, I might tip.
But....
$1800 iPad Pro 15% (or $270 for grabbing it out of the back room??)
Nopie-de-Nope!!

Especially considering the high dollar purchases, even that 15% is going to be a lot. Tipping percentages doesn’t work so well when paying for anything more expensive than a meal.

To be fair and again I say this still against tipping, the ask is 3% and 5% as the standard options and a custom option.

Still against it, but the ask is not 15% as an option to display.
 
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But if you cat dies, don't need a few days off, ya know, paid time off?

That's what they are also asking for. Apple should close this location down.
Agree completely. I’m not saying I wouldnt use time off for a beloved pet dying but to ask for it in negotiations is crazy. plus they asked for 45 days off for it!!!!!

DOUBLE TIME for any overtime they work is crazy too. Time and a half is the normal everywhere else in every industry I have worked in.

they should just close this store like you said.
 
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45 days for loss of a pet? Yeah no. At that point it's an adjustment disorder. Use your standard leave and see a therapist if you can't get over an old dog dying. I'm sorry but a dog is not a parent or a child.
 
Min wage was *absolutely* intended to raise a family on. This is part of what FDR said on the subject:

“It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”

And, ignoring that if a job needs doing the wage shouldnt be basrd on age (how do you know a HS student isnt helping support their family? Or for that matter an emancipated minor and supporting themselves?) how, exactly, would you expect jobs like this to be handled by HS students? Should all retail close between 8 and 4 every day on school days?

FDR...second worst President ever. Not exactly someone we should use as a model form society.
 
This culture of tipping is going too far. I have paid generous tips for takeout food only to be extremely disappointed with the food quality when I actually open it up to eat.
 
I can get behind the 10% raise without any problem, but not tipping.

It has nothing to do with the value of the services provided by employees, tipping culture needs to get phased out in favour of genuinely liveable wages instead.
 
Agree completely. I’m not saying I wouldnt use time off for a beloved pet dying but to ask for it in negotiations is crazy. plus they asked for 45 days off for it!!!!!

DOUBLE TIME for any overtime they work is crazy too. Time and a half is the normal everywhere else in every industry I have worked in.

they should just close this store like you said.

They are not asking for 45 days PER bereavement leave. Just 45 days total per year and want to include pets and close friends as a reason to take it.
 
Just close the store. The employees can all go to a traffic light and hold a sign “Times are difficult. Need help” and maybe someone stupid enough will give them some coins.
 
Apple made $117 Billion revenue last quarter. FFS pay these people more. And for those who demonise Unions. You happy for obscene corporate profits while underpaying the very staff that are responsible? As for tipping, that's a bit counterproductive. In Australia we dont tip and businesses have to pay people appropriately. Tips generally are used as an excuse to subsidise the wages when the business should be paying people more.
I ONLY agree with the last 2 sentences of your paragraph. but I do agree with those two sentences about tipping whole heartedly. I would rather pay more for a meal and be done with it than have to tack on money for tip.

The corporations pay for what the job responsibilities are. NOT how much they make. paying people based on what they make sounds like the Marxist idea that says something like ‘from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs’. the job market should not be forced to be means tested in any way. If a Corp wants to pay way above average then they can but shouldn’t be forced too.

or maybe if you make more than your neighbor, should you pay more at the grocery store for the same items than they do???
 
I hope this store goes out of business, only people that get a TIP is a waitress, whoever cuts my hair and my girlfriend 😂
 
The corporations pay for what the job responsibilities are. NOT how much they make.

That's not always true as there are many jobs where your pay is affected by how profitable the company is. That's a pretty common aspect of upper-management roles, but there is no reason that the same concept could not apply across the board.
 
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That's not always true as there are many jobs where your pay is affected by how profitable the company is. That's a pretty common aspect of upper-management roles, but there is no reason that the same concept could not apply across the board.

Those roles typically are presumed to have an influence over how profitable the company is.

Drones in a retail store are generally unlikely to have any influence over profitability whatsoever.
 
They are not asking for 45 days PER bereavement leave. Just 45 days total per year and want to include pets and close friends as a reason to take it.

And now you have to define ‘close friend’. I’m actually quite pally with our postman.
 
They are not asking for 45 days PER bereavement leave. Just 45 days total per year and want to include pets and close friends as a reason to take it.
It's reasonable to allow bereavement time off for pets and close friends but allowing it for up to 45 days is what's ridiculous. Up to 45 days might make sense in certain circumstances (person working has to deal with all the associated issues of a deceased parent -- accounts, cleaning out a house, etc.) but the problem is allowing pets and close friends to be in that 45 days of paid bereavement is unreasonable. Apple currently offers up to 2 weeks, I believe.
 
Those roles typically are presumed to have an influence over how profitable the company is.

Drones in a retail store are generally unlikely to have any influence over profitability whatsoever.

They sure do. They produce value for the company and the better job they do the better value for the company. Sure, their impact might be limited compared to other roles, but it's not zero, otherwise the company would not need them.
 
Imagine you buy a brand new Apple Product at an Apple Store and an Apple Specialist hits you with this...

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There will never be a day I'm ever going to be tipping at an Apple Store.
Not even British Royalty gets this much tip!
 
It's reasonable to allow bereavement time off for pets and close friends but allowing it for up to 45 days is what's ridiculous. Up to 45 days might make sense in certain circumstances (person working has to deal with all the associated issues of a deceased parent -- accounts, cleaning out a house, etc.) but the problem is allowing pets and close friends to be in that 45 days of paid bereavement is unreasonable. Apple currently offers up to 2 weeks, I believe.

Again..... You're making it out to be that if a pet dies, they get 45 days off in one go. That isn't the case.

They are wanting 45 days of paid bereavement leave a year, NOT PER LEAVE. So if they need 2 days to grieve a lost pet, they can. Then lose a parent and need 10 days, boom they can. A close friend died, 7 days. All of that coming out of that 45 day bank.

The actual contract language will likely spell out the max limit of days off for a loss of a pet to limit abuse. Don't assume if the union gets this, the company will just give it to them cart blanc and not want contract language to prevent giving out all 45 days in one go for a loss of a pet. If the company lawyers/negotiators fail on that, that is their own fault.
 
but the problem is allowing pets and close friends to be in that 45 days of paid bereavement is unreasonable. Apple currently offers up to 2 weeks, I believe.

Is it confirmed that they are asking 45 days paid bereavement? It's not uncommon to have up to a given number of days paid and the rest unpaid, e.g. 2 weeks paid and the rest unpaid.

Even unpaid, obtaining the right to get unpaid bereavement would still be valuable as it removes the need to negotiate an unpaid leave.
 
I wish tipping would go the way of the dinosaur in the US. Tips were traditionally mostly only given to food servers and bartenders. Now people expect tips nearly everywhere. Tipping someone at the Apple store, what a joke! Nope, I don't think so. To be honest, I'd rather not have to tip servers and bartenders either. Pay them more and build it into the price. I make a good living, I'm fine with it. Besides, it will probably (and should) end up costing less than the total bill plus the tip anyway.
 
I wish tipping would go the way of the dinosaur in the US. Tips were traditionally mostly only given to food servers and bartenders. Now people expect tips nearly everywhere. Tipping someone at the Apple store, what a joke! Nope, I don't think so. To be honest, I'd rather not have to tip servers and bartenders either. Pay them more and build it into the price. I make a good living, I'm fine with it. Besides, it will probably (and should) end up costing less than the total bill plus the tip anyway.

The way to make it stop is to simply stop participating, without exception. Tip $0 everywhere.
 
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These people are not demanding all customer's tip them... nor for Apple to tip them. I suspect that in service to some customers, some of those customers offer them a tip in appreciation. Apparently, they can't accept any such tip right now. They are apparently wanting that policy to change. If a customer offers them a tip, they want to be able to take it.

This is not about seeking a tip for a simple transactional service like selling a phone. But maybe someone spends 30 minutes to teach someone how to solve some problem or how to use some app features, etc. And that 1+ person objectively wants to give them something for good service. I'm not sure "we" should be passionately against it. That's between customer seeking help and the person delivering the help they want/need. Some customers might want to tip. That's THEIR business.

Someone comes in with all of their (subjectively priceless) data apparently lost. An Apple representative is able to figure out that its not really lost and helps them recover it. It's not hard to see that panicked customer perhaps wanting to reward the help with more than just a "thank you."

No one would ever be forced to tip- just as it is in all transactions. But if some customers want to tip for good service, that's not exactly an unheard of, insane or greedy concept. Those in industries where tipping is "normal" would even argue that the potential of getting some tips motivates employees to try even harder to deliver outstanding service.

If it's not mandatory to tip, I don't personally see anything wrong with this want at all. When my hot pizza is delivered on time in a little while by someone with only the skill of driving, I'll likely give them a few dollars. If my car won't start and someone pulls over to give me a jump to get me rolling again, I'm very likely inclined to give them something for their time & trouble too. If someone spends some service time at an Apple store teaching me how to do something I can't figure out, it's not like I would naturally NOT be moved to tip for good service either. Is pizza delivery or broken down car help and in-person tech help/services so different that only the former should be OPTIONALLY tip-able? I don't feel that way.
Wow, really? Clearly you've never ordered groceries or food that was to be delivered. Try not tipping these people. They straight up won't deliver the food or groceries, even though it is their job to do so. I'm referring to companies like InstaCart, Door Dash, Uber Eats here btw. I shouldn't have to tip a delivery driver, as I am already paying the delivery fee. The company should pay them more money. If that means I have to pay a little more for the goods I am having delivered, so be it.
 
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You can tell these people don't have much working experience.

And I'm all for workers rights. We should treat our employees with respect and compensate them appropriately.

But all they're going to get is less hours to keep them under the premium pay. What is First Aid Certified and why does that call for an extra $1/hour? How many incidents are happening at a Walmart? And do they lay out what's considered a close friend?
 
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