All Devices Updated Apple Maps

[MozMan68]

...umm both of my complaints happened to me yesterday on an up to date version of iOS. Neither issues were with the dataset but rather that the mapping algorithms did nonsensical things with that data.

I mean if this “new apple maps” thread isn’t meant for discussing the current state of apple maps i guess I’ll go elsewhere, but there’s no reason to be derogatory.

But it’s not “new” in your area...I’m assuming...are you in NorCal?

Sorry...but so many complain without stating that all map apps fail on occasion.

I can tell you, from someone that travels all over the US every week practically, that Maps is WAY better than it was. I’ve given up on Waze other than long road trips simply because I drive fast and want to know where cops are. Google is the the best from a POI perspective and still is (for now).

But I typically run all three or at least Maps and Google to compare and have issues with both. Google has actually given me illegal routing info more than any other app (illegal turns almost every instance).

 

[stevemiller]

But it’s not “new” in your area...I’m assuming...are you in NorCal?

Sorry...but so many complain without stating that all map apps fail on occasion.

I can tell you, from someone that travels all over the US every week practically, that Maps is WAY better than it was. I’ve given up on Waze other than long road trips simply because I drive fast and want to know where cops are. Google is the the best from a POI perspective and still is (for now).

But I typically run all three or at least Maps and Google to compare and have issues with both. Google has actually given me illegal routing info more than any other app (illegal turns almost every instance).

I guess it varies person to person; just my personal experience has been far more routing issues happen with maps than google or Waze. and really anecdotal evidence is all any of us can speak to. As for this specifically being isolated to new mapping data in California, apologies. I saw the first post was in relation to the iOS 12 beta maps and saw it was an active thread so I assumed it was relevant to iOS 12 shipping maps app.

 

[Julien]

...umm both of my complaints happened to me yesterday on an up to date version of iOS. Neither issues were with the dataset but rather that the mapping algorithms did nonsensical things with that data.

I mean if this “new apple maps” thread isn’t meant for discussing the current state of apple maps i guess I’ll go elsewhere, but there’s no reason to be derogatory.

Do you live in Northern California?

 

[stevemiller]

Do you live in Northern California?

Got it. This thread doesn’t want non Californians. I thought this referred to iOS 12. I apologize for my confusion.

 

[MozMan68]

Got it. This thread doesn’t want non Californians. I thought this referred to iOS 12. I apologize for my confusion.

Hah...we are all non-Californians as far as I know.

Some of us have experienced the new maps there...most on here haven't.

The thread started up again because we are anxiously awaiting for expansion into our home areas.

 

[campyguy]

I don't know if any of you gals and guys and nerds have noticed that Apple has expanded their updates in CA to the entire state in the macOS Maps app as of yesterday. The update isn't showing up in iOS.

I should note that I'm running the latest macOS beta, so it might not show up in a non-beta app...

 

[gwhizkids]

I don't know if any of you gals and guys and nerds have noticed that Apple has expanded their updates in CA to the entire state in the macOS Maps app as of yesterday. The update isn't showing up in iOS.

I should note that I'm running the latest macOS beta, so it might not show up in a non-beta app...

Are you on the iOS beta? If not, I wonder if it’s there, too?

 

[MozMan68]

Are you on the iOS beta? If not, I wonder if it’s there, too?

Not updated in iOS beta yet.

 

[campyguy]

Are you on the iOS beta? If not, I wonder if it’s there, too?

What MozMan68 posted, I checked before posting. Planning a trip to SoCal is when I noticed it yesterday, held off to see if the update propagated to iOS. Checked my non-beta Air 2 and beta XS Max, looked again just before posting. Too bad I switched from a rMBP to an iMP, even at 6'7" the iMac just isn't that pocketable...

 

[G1Ravage]

Hi there, everyone. Forum newbie, and I've been playing with Apple Maps in New York City for a number of months now.

Within the past two months or so, the more detailed maps have been quietly implemented in Manhattan and the Bronx, but ONLY when viewing the maps in navigation mode. That's the only time I see the additional details, such as ball fields and the like.

There's a lot I don't like about Apple Maps, but I like the direction it's moving in. I really like the way the navigation screen presents the world as a flying camera, and how it dynamically moves around, and zooms in and out, to always give you the best perspective of what's coming next.

Where Apple Maps fails hard is in its lack of knowledge of various road and turn restrictions in New York City. For instance, it has no idea that the upper level of the Queensboro Bridge is "reversed" to allow Manhattan-bound traffic only during the AM rush. I sent this correction in last week, so we'll see if it gets implemented.

Overall, I find Apple Maps much more pleasing to look at, and I like the simplicity of its views. If Apple Maps can improve its traffic algorithms and routing around it, I would use it more often during rush hours. But for now, I usually stick to Waze.

I've been experimenting with Google Maps a lot as well, ever since it was finally released for Apple CarPlay. I find Google Maps to be great at searching for places to go (and even warning you if it's closing soon), and the maps themselves are generally accurate, but Google Maps' directions leave a LOT to be desired, especially when traversing through highway interchanges. Also for some reason, Google Maps on CarPlay hardly zooms out at all when driving on the highway.

I have an Android work phone, so I've been able to play around with Android Auto also. Google Maps and Waze have a long way to go before their Apple Maps versions will look or behave anywhere near as nicely as the Android Auto versions. But at least they LOOK better on Apple CarPlay.

 

[MozMan68]

Hi there, everyone. Forum newbie, and I've been playing with Apple Maps in New York City for a number of months now.

Within the past two months or so, the more detailed maps have been quietly implemented in Manhattan and the Bronx, but ONLY when viewing the maps in navigation mode. That's the only time I see the additional details, such as ball fields and the like.

There's a lot I don't like about Apple Maps, but I like the direction it's moving in. I really like the way the navigation screen presents the world as a flying camera, and how it dynamically moves around, and zooms in and out, to always give you the best perspective of what's coming next.

Where Apple Maps fails hard is in its lack of knowledge of various road and turn restrictions in New York City. For instance, it has no idea that the upper level of the Queensboro Bridge is "reversed" to allow Manhattan-bound traffic only during the AM rush. I sent this correction in last week, so we'll see if it gets implemented.

Overall, I find Apple Maps much more pleasing to look at, and I like the simplicity of its views. If Apple Maps can improve its traffic algorithms and routing around it, I would use it more often during rush hours. But for now, I usually stick to Waze.

I've been experimenting with Google Maps a lot as well, ever since it was finally released for Apple CarPlay. I find Google Maps to be great at searching for places to go (and even warning you if it's closing soon), and the maps themselves are generally accurate, but Google Maps' directions leave a LOT to be desired, especially when traversing through highway interchanges. Also for some reason, Google Maps on CarPlay hardly zooms out at all when driving on the highway.

I have an Android work phone, so I've been able to play around with Android Auto also. Google Maps and Waze have a long way to go before their Apple Maps versions will look or behave anywhere near as nicely as the Android Auto versions. But at least they LOOK better on Apple CarPlay.

Can you post images of the updates you mentioned?? Not saying you are wrong, but Maps had ball fields there before..maybe just not the detail they will have.

 

[G1Ravage]

Can you post images of the updates you mentioned?? Not saying you are wrong, but Maps had ball fields there before..maybe just not the detail they will have.

Here's some details between the base map on my iPhone Xs Max running the latest iOS 12, with how the maps appear while in "navigation mode". There's a LOT more greenery in navigation mode, as well as the added details, like the ball fields and such.

I could be wrong about them appearing within the past few months, but I drive to this area quite often, and I was surprised when I noticed this detail not that long ago.

 

[MozMan68]

Here's some details between the base map on my iPhone Xs Max running the latest iOS 12, with how the maps appear while in "navigation mode". There's a LOT more greenery in navigation mode, as well as the added details, like the ball fields and such.

I could be wrong about them appearing within the past few months, but I drive to this area quite often, and I was surprised when I noticed this detail not that long ago.

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Interesting...

 

[Julien]

....The thread started up again because we are anxiously awaiting for expansion into our home areas.

....and at WWDC Apple made it sound like new Map's data would be rolling out across the US imminently and often.

 

[MozMan68]

....and at WWDC Apple made it sound like new Map's data would be rolling out imminently and often.

Well...not sure about that.

It did roll out immediately in California and they have always said nothing more than it would be rolled out to the rest of the US over the next year.

Sounds like the rest of California is imminent. I’m still guessing PNW and NYC are next.

 

[G1Ravage]

It would make sense to me that they finish off California and the entire West Coast, and then move on to New York City and the East Coast, while slowly making their way inland until meeting in the middle. That would get these improvements out to the most people in the shortest amount of time.

I have also noticed some traffic improvements. While driving, Apple Maps will suddenly zoom out and alert me to a crash ahead, while stating that I'm still on the fastest route. Occasionally, it will zoom out and alert me that a faster route has been detected, and will redirect me onto that new route unless I hit the OK button to cancel the change.

 

[Julien]

Well...not sure about that.

It did roll out immediately in California and they have always said nothing more than it would be rolled out to the rest of the US over the next year.

Sounds like the rest of California is imminent. I’m still guessing PNW and NYC are next.

....but it has been almost 7 months and nothing. That means a lot of "rolling" in only the next 5 months (assuming they start early in Jan) for the entire US.

 

[MozMan68]

....but it has been almost 7 months and nothing. That means a lot of "rolling" in only the next 5 months (assuming they start early in Jan) for the entire US.

It’s been three months...beta period doesn’t count. Even then, it would only have been five months as the new Maps wasn’t introduced until the third? beta in July??

 

[campyguy]

....but it has been almost 7 months and nothing. That means a lot of "rolling" in only the next 5 months (assuming they start early in Jan) for the entire US.

Thanks for the laugh, I read your post and the gifted Scotch I was sipping almost went out my nose... Patience...

There's a lot that goes into mapping data. Roughly 90% of the plats I submit take 7-10 months just to get approved, from 1 acre plots to 100 acre developments, and I know what I'm doing. There's more to it than just slapping a pretty picture up. Routing engines need to be optimized. Insurance bonding companies need to buy off and certify data. Emergency services agencies need to review pretty much everything. DOTs and county agencies need to verify and certify data - and a lot of county surveyors are hired consultants with multiple clients (some of the surveyors I work with are in their 80s and have no internet service whatsoever - but they're the county surveyor, and that's that). Data licensing agreements need to be made - licensing agreements aren't cheap, and they're generally quarterly. Aerial telemetry can cost up to $1500 per acre, depending on desired accuracy - with Google selling its HD satellite "division" earlier this year, that company has a backlog of months for special requests now...

I had to stop, there's more. The two main players in this - TeleAtlas (TomTom) and NAVTEQ (HERE!) - have been at this for 20+ years and they're still working on getting it right. Google has been at this since 2005, and I can poke holes in pretty much everything they post. My work is in the US and Canada - I don't have to deal with the restrictions of other countries, and I don't want to. 7 months is *nothing* regarding mapping relative to data - I still carry a Thomas Guide that covers my travels, and I use INRIX for traffic updates (updated every 60 seconds and not every 6-10 minutes like all of the other apps) plus DOT apps for regional updates (I'm from NYC and HATE being stuck in traffic).

I use CAD and GIS apps, a few clicks can change everything. Apple is using SW that's more powerful than I can imagine - look at what SketchUp can do regarding views and scenarios, and that's $800 software. Keep in mind that Apple could be significantly farther along with their promised updates than what you're seeing in the Maps apps - it's simply a matter of disabling the older layers and enabling the newer layers. In the past 36 hours they've "turned on" SoCal - it's live, right now. Grab a drink of your choice, patience... And, Happy New Year.

 

[dk001]

Thanks for the laugh, I read your post and the gifted Scotch I was sipping almost went out my nose... Patience...

There's a lot that goes into mapping data. Roughly 90% of the plats I submit take 7-10 months just to get approved, from 1 acre plots to 100 acre developments, and I know what I'm doing. There's more to it than just slapping a pretty picture up. Routing engines need to be optimized. Insurance bonding companies need to buy off and certify data. Emergency services agencies need to review pretty much everything. DOTs and county agencies need to verify and certify data - and a lot of county surveyors are hired consultants with multiple clients (some of the surveyors I work with are in their 80s and have no internet service whatsoever - but they're the county surveyor, and that's that). Data licensing agreements need to be made - licensing agreements aren't cheap, and they're generally quarterly. Aerial telemetry can cost up to $1500 per acre, depending on desired accuracy - with Google selling its HD satellite "division" earlier this year, that company has a backlog of months for special requests now...

I had to stop, there's more. The two main players in this - TeleAtlas (TomTom) and NAVTEQ (HERE!) - have been at this for 20+ years and they're still working on getting it right. Google has been at this since 2005, and I can poke holes in pretty much everything they post. My work is in the US and Canada - I don't have to deal with the restrictions of other countries, and I don't want to. 7 months is *nothing* regarding mapping relative to data - I still carry a Thomas Guide that covers my travels, and I use INRIX for traffic updates (updated every 60 seconds and not every 6-10 minutes like all of the other apps) plus DOT apps for regional updates (I'm from NYC and HATE being stuck in traffic).

I use CAD and GIS apps, a few clicks can change everything. Apple is using SW that's more powerful than I can imagine - look at what SketchUp can do regarding views and scenarios, and that's $800 software. Keep in mind that Apple could be significantly farther along with their promised updates than what you're seeing in the Maps apps - it's simply a matter of disabling the older layers and enabling the newer layers. In the past 36 hours they've "turned on" SoCal - it's live, right now. Grab a drink of your choice, patience... And, Happy New Year.

Looking at SoCal as I write this. My neighborhood. 3D looks nice but I am still seeing the same ol' incorrect items in my area. Still same issue with GPS wander on the screen. Sigh ...

So, other than the 3D look, what exactly am I getting?

 

[MozMan68]

Looking at SoCal as I write this. My neighborhood. 3D looks nice but I am still seeing the same ol' incorrect items in my area. Still same issue with GPS wander on the screen. Sigh ...

So, other than the 3D look, what exactly am I getting?

Sigh...read the article this thread is based on.

....and are you looking at new Maps? There are 3D buildings in Maps now depending on where you look.

3D buildings everywhere...old Maps...

 

[dk001]

Sigh...read the article this thread is based on.

....and are you looking at new Maps? There are 3D buildings in Maps now depending on where you look.

3D buildings everywhere...old Maps...

Unless I am looking at something wrong ...
This view was not available when I updated to 12.1.2
The stock map option also has a 3D mode

 

[MozMan68]

View attachment 813101 Unless I am looking at something wrong ...
This view was not available when I updated to 12.1.2
The stock map option also has a 3D mode

Not sure what you mean.

 

[dk001]

Not sure what you mean.

iPhone 12.1.2 Apple Maps
The 2D / 3D option on Map | Transit | Satellite was not there.
Now I apparently have it.

Map gives me a 3D non-height correlated view
Transit gives me the same as Map
Satellite gives me a really neat 3D birds eye view.

The locations are still incorrect (my area)

iPad Pro 12.1.3 b2 Apple Maps
The 2D / 3D option on Satellite was not there.
Now I apparently have it.

Map gives me a 2Dview
Transit gives me the same as Map
Satellite gives me a really neat 3D birds eye view.

The locations are still incorrect (my area)

iPhone | iPad



and the cool defect on the iPad map where the road crosses the highway

 

[CTHarrryH]

i had reported a couple of days ago that the maps looked different when using in CarPlay here in Maine. Today they are back to the old look - wonder if something was mistakenly turn on for a day? Who knows